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morkus64

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Recently did a reformat and installed firefox. On both FF3 and FF4 beta I got HUGE memory issues - taking 1.5 gigs of memory with only a few tabs open, the process not shutting down when I close it, weird slowdowns... Also, why does FF4 look exactly like Opera? Why does everyone hate having an effing menu bar nowadays?

So I tried chrome. Overall it's alright but it's difficult to customize. I mean how do you even move bits around? Rargh.

So I tried the latest opera. I used to use opera back when, but went away from it for some reason or other. I like to have icons of my most used sites on the bookmarks bar, so I love that opera has an option to shrink all the icons to fit. But why doesn't it seem to find the favicons for half the sites on there when the others browsers have to problem? Furthermore, you can't right click an icon in the bar and say open in new tab? And you can't right click anything on the bookmarks menu? WTF? That seems basic.

Of course IE is out.

And I'm a little wary of Safari - anyone have an opinion on Safari for PC?

Rargh.
 
IGemini

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You can add a menu bar in FF4 last I checked. Don't let the default layout stop you.

What version of Windows are you using?
 
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morkus64

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Yeah, I don't mind not having the menu bar too much - I just hate when programs I use change so i'm cranky.

I'm running Win7 x64
 
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i tried safari on windows but it didn't work well at all for some sites I use at work so i didn't really like it.
 
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I never quite got how some people were having Firefox chew through so much memory...just did a test with 30 tabs open including some with 1080p video and doesn't break 400MB (including the plugin container). DXVA could be mitigating the video load.

My only guess is you have a lot of ads/flash stuff open in your browsing. Between Adblock Plus, NoScript and Flashblock, nothing opens unless I want it to and the browser has a hard time getting over 150MB in my typical usage.
 
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pcslookout

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Firefox running fine here.

I don't care how much ram my browser uses as long as it works smoothly.
 
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You should definitely try out IE9, it is much improved.
 
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Sometimes I hate all web browsers too because there is not one perfect one. Though I learned to accept that and just use more than one. Who says you can't use more than one browser ?
 
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morkus64 said:
With a mouse yeah, but when I just use the trackpad on my laptop I can't - that's when it's more frustrating.

Also any way to not automatically switch to a new tab? (In Opera)
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Ctrl - B and you can right click on bookmarks there to open new tabs etc.

Can you expand on not automatically switching to a new tab? In what context?
 
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zokudu said:
Ctrl - B and you can right click on bookmarks there to open new tabs etc.

Can you expand on not automatically switching to a new tab? In what context?
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For instance if you middle click a link on the bookmarks bar - is there a way to make the default behavior be to open in a background tab rather than stealing focus away.
 
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Just to let you know morkus64 another one of my experiments has proven, so far, that Firefox does not have memory issues. I use to think the same thing you did until I ran tons of different experiments. Doing a few more because I like doing them. There fun.

If you like me to go into detail of what I do to test I will but otherwise I am not going to because I don't feel like typing all of it unless someone wants to know.

I feel the culprit of the memory issues is a add-on like I always have. Anything you add that is not in Firefox already basically. What? I don't know. That is the biggest problem. I know of ones and things that will cause Firefox to use a lot of memory or issues but there well known already. Most people already know not to ever install these things or have them on for very long. Else you risk your Firefox acting up.

Seen this become a issue on all browsers be it Opera, Internet Explorer, or Chrome. I can get them all to use a lot of memory or crash with a certain add-on.
 
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morkus64

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Yeah, I was thinking that might be the case as my clean install seemed perfectly fine. The trouble is it doesn't seem to be just unnecessary extensions that are giving issues, but also things like the flash, java, etc plugins that I actually do use.

I was thinking about looking into the pale moon browser - supposedly very similar to FF but a bit cleaned up.

pcslookout said:
Just to let you know morkus64 another one of my experiments has proven, so far, that Firefox does not have memory issues. I use to think the same thing you did until I ran tons of different experiments. Doing a few more because I like doing them. There fun.

If you like me to go into detail of what I do to test I will but otherwise I am not going to because I don't feel like typing all of it unless someone wants to know.

I feel the culprit of the memory issues is a add-on like I always have. Anything you add that is not in Firefox already basically. What? I don't know. That is the biggest problem. I know of ones and things that will cause Firefox to use a lot of memory or issues but there well known already. Most people already know not to ever install these things or have them on for very long. Else you risk your Firefox acting up.

Seen this become a issue on all browsers be it Opera, Internet Explorer, or Chrome. I can get them all to use a lot of memory or crash with a certain add-on.
Click to expand...
 
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morkus64 said:
Yeah, I was thinking that might be the case as my clean install seemed perfectly fine. The trouble is it doesn't seem to be just unnecessary extensions that are giving issues, but also things like the flash, java, etc plugins that I actually do use.

I was thinking about looking into the pale moon browser - supposedly very similar to FF but a bit cleaned up.
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Yep I heard of the pale moon browser just never used it. Always been worried of falling behind with browser security updates or whatever. That and some add-ons or anything not working as well in the original Firefox browser. May try it one day though.

I don't think it is Flash because that runs now in a separate process. Java and other plugins I don't use.
 
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I hate FF's tab ordering when I start closing tabs. I also hate that I can't use normal and private browsing at the same time, which is something that I use when I need to log in to the same site with two accounts (example: Using gmail at work to send myself an attachment from my personal account). InPrivate and Incognito work fine, but Private Browsing just feels half-baked and useless. It makes more sense to have FireFox Portable and use that when I need to isolate sessions from each other.
 
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CZroe said:
I hate FF's tab ordering when I start closing tabs. I also hate that I can't use normal and private browsing at the same time, which is something that I use when I need to log in to the same site with two accounts (example: Using gmail at work to send myself an attachment from my personal account). InPrivate and Incognito work fine, but Private Browsing just feels half-baked and useless. It makes more sense to have FireFox Portable and use that when I need to isolate sessions from each other.
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You can change the first thing. The second thing well that is the beauty of opera! You could do it in Firefox too but only if you use windows instead of tabs. Basically how you do it now with Firefox Portable.
 
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