Gah! Blackberry won't let users update acct settings!

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
28,298
1,235
136
Argh! I don't have a Blackberry, but I've got some idea how they work. BB devices store their email configuration settings on RIM's server, not directly on the device. The baseband receives instant notifications in the same way it receives text messages, so battery usage is minimal.

There's a problem with this method.

I work for a small, local, cable ISP. Most of our customers' email addresses end with "@numail.org". About 2 months ago, we changed hosting to Google's commercial email hosting services. The MX was updated. Yesterday, we finally discontinued access to the old server (I'm sure it's a huge waste of resources to relay everything between the two servers).

Notifications had been sent for months so customers would update to the new server settings, but we knew that hundreds would ignore the notices. We've been updating them as they call us, but we've had no luck updating Blackberry devices. When a BB user tries to access account settings, they're immediately prompted to "Validate account." There's no way to skip this and get to the settings, and there's no way to pass the validation check because IT'S TRYING TO VALIDATE WITH THE WRONG SERVER. The only reason the old server even prompts for a password is because it still hosts mail for OTHER domains.

Of course, customers are blaming this on us because "you changed something and now it doesn't work." Updating your email settings is something that EVERY email client or device should allow you to do...so there's a serious problem with the way BB works at the moment.

I've never used a Blackberry, but I got my hands on one for a few minutes today. I removed the bad email account and re-added it...but it never asked for server settings and never presented an option for manual setup. The account seems to be added, but it's not showing any messages or errors when I try to send a test.

I don't think RIM will talk to me since I'm not a BB user and I have no account with them.

This reminded me of the last time we changed email servers. RIM's system was still finding the old MX and each BB user had to remove / re-add the account. It'd be nice if RIM could automatically correct hundreds of @numail.org accounts. I'm sure BB users happy to know that RIM corrects things automatically behind-the-scenes. Have any of you ever been through this?
 
Last edited:

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
28,298
1,235
136

Unfortunately, that article isn't useful. It starts out by saying:
"...log in to your BlackBerry Internet Service"

Really? Blackberry is an ISP now? The customer I spoke with just now had NO IDEA what that is. It doesn't make sense that a North American company can come up with terminology that seems to deliberately confuse the users. I assume it's the name for a web portal, though the screenshots make it look like PC software.

1. Log in to your BlackBerry Internet Service account. For instructions, see KB03087.
The link doesn't take you to instructions on how to log-in to "Blackberry Internet Service" account. It just takes you to a video that walks you through adding an email account.

That customer still needs to remove the account and just can't do it. I was given an old BB to play with today and there are just WAY too many differences to follow along. Example: "Options" on my phone = "Settings" on hers. When she's on the screen with the full icon list, there is no "E-mail Settings" icon.

OK, I'm going to Google the URL for this "Blackberry Internet Service."
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
24,117
2
0
RIM (BlackBerry) is clearly not an ISP. OK, lets set down some basics:

- BIS is BlackBerry Internet Services. It's the push email/BBM/Internet solution for private individuals. Setup is via the customers device or via a webpage, sometimes this is skinned by the carrier, sometimes not.

Your customers should know about BIS from when they bought their Device, and if not they can contact their carrier for support with BIS. Their monthly subscription allows for support. If they use BIS my link DOES show how to log in to it from a desktop computer.

Anyhow, you appear to be selling your customers reskinned Gmail. WTF?
 

zbalat

Platinum Member
Oct 9, 1999
2,501
1
81
OS 4.6 and earlier:

Email Settings icon

OS 5.0

Setup icon - Email Settings

OS 6.0

Setup icon - Email Accounts

Every one of your customers that has e-mail pushed to their phone has a BIS user name and password

Have them enter it once they have done the above depending on their OS

Once logged in to their BIS they can add and remove e-mail accounts

To check device software version:

OS 4.6 and earlier and OS 5.0

Options icon - About

The OS version is the third line
 
Last edited: