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Gag order on conservatives that supported healthcare reform

shadow9d9

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As some readers of this blog may know, I was fired by a right wing think tank called the National Center for Policy Analysis in 2005 for writing a book critical of George W. Bush's policies, especially his support for Medicare Part D. In the years since, I have lost a great many friends and been shunned by conservative society in Washington, DC.

Now the same thing has happened to David Frum, who has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute. I don't know all the details, but I presume that his Waterloo post on Sunday condemning Republicans for failing to work with Democrats on healthcare reform was the final straw.

Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

It saddened me to hear this. I have always hoped that my experience was unique. But now I see that I was just the first to suffer from a closing of the conservative mind. Rigid conformity is being enforced, no dissent is allowed, and the conservative brain will slowly shrivel into dementia if it hasn't already.

Sadly, there is no place for David and me to go. The donor community is only interested in financing organizations that parrot the party line, such as the one recently established by McCain economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin.

I will have more to say on this topic later. But I wanted to say that this is a black day for what passes for a conservative movement, scholarship, and the once-respected AEI.
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This isn't a surprise. Especially considering the mandate was a republican idea. The Republican party is only a party of no now. Party over country all the way. Doesn't matter if it is health bills, education bills, job bills, or even military hearings!
 

PokerGuy

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Yawn, more left wing drivel. When it comes to stupidity and socialism, being the "party of no" sounds pretty darn good.
 

shadow9d9

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Yawn, more left wing drivel. When it comes to stupidity and socialism, being the "party of no" sounds pretty darn good.
2 conservatives talking about their party is left wing drivel? Hmm.

SOCIALISM!!!!! BOOGA BOOGA!
 

Hayabusa Rider

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2 conservatives talking about their party is left wing drivel? Hmm.

SOCIALISM!!!!! BOOGA BOOGA!

Hey, why don't you tell us why your wonderful reform screws people with chronic illnesses who try to put money away for treatment they know they need?

This should be good.

Apologize away.
 

shadow9d9

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Hey, why don't you tell us why your wonderful reform screws people with chronic illnesses who try to put money away for treatment they know they need?

This should be good.

Apologize away.
You are welcome to bring that up in healthcare reform threads.

This is about the republican party think tanks firing all dissent.
 

Linflas

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You are welcome to bring that up in healthcare reform threads.

This is about the republican party think tanks firing all dissent.
If you think that is exclusive to Republican or conservative think tanks you are seriously naive.
 

shadow9d9

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If you think that is exclusive to Republican or conservative think tanks you are seriously naive.
It is very likely that is true. However, it does show that republicans respected enough to be included supported this bill and were shut up.
 

ProfJohn

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This is about the republican party think tanks firing all dissent.
When we are done with this thread let's have one about how the Democrats kicked out Joe Liberman for disagreeing with them.


David Frum was paid to advance conservative ideas and was fired for claiming that the passage of healthcare would end conservatism. Why is this a surprise??
 

shadow9d9

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When we are done with this thread let's have one about how the Democrats kicked out Joe Liberman for disagreeing with them.


David Frum was paid to advance conservative ideas and was fired for claiming that the passage of healthcare would end conservatism. Why is this a surprise??
I believe he claimed that the outrage and outright opposition to anything healthcare reform related would certainly hurt the republican cause. Frum was not the only person mentioned in the piece.

As for Lieberman... if you do not share the ideals of a party, why should you be allowed to run for office with them? He wasn't gagged or fired, he was put into a position where he could properly follow his own ideas. Isn't that the whole point of parties? As it is, people still claim he was part of the "supermajority" that never existed. Which way is it?
 

zsdersw

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The story here isn't who was fired, but that the AEI agreed with "too much" of what Obama wanted to do with health care.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You are welcome to bring that up in healthcare reform threads.

This is about the republican party think tanks firing all dissent.

Funny, but your thread mentions health care. While I have a problem with Republicans selecting out opposition because it's stupid and ultimately counterproductive, I note that ignorance is a common commodity to both parties.

Of course the good or ill that people suffer as a result of bad planning is secondary to blaming the ideology of the other side so please continue.
 

Linflas

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The story here isn't who was fired, but that the AEI agreed with "too much" of what Obama wanted to do with health care.
If by agree you mean that AEI, Republicans, or anyone else against this bill that was passed believes that there are issues such as portability, pre-exisiting condition coverage, addressing the issue of dealing with uninsured citizens, or dealing with the costs associated with health care I doubt you would get an argument from them. It is the methods and means in the just passed bill and the way the bill was crafted that has resulted in this huge divide.
 

zsdersw

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If by agree you mean that AEI, Republicans, or anyone else against this bill that was passed believes that there are issues such as portability, pre-exisiting condition coverage, addressing the issue of dealing with uninsured citizens, or dealing with the costs associated with health care I doubt you would get an argument from them. It is the methods and means in the just passed bill and the way the bill was crafted that has resulted in this huge divide.
The vitriole tells a different tale, however.
 

Nemesis 1

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Man whats up with the left here. Ya just won health care yet our responses are sharp.
You club anyone who thinks wealth care for all is bad. You ever stop to think ever once in your lives. I don't know anyone who doesn't want a better life for all. Its just that many don't want to pay for freeloaders. Why do you have a job ? Why can mexicans find work after crossing the border. When our poor couldn't find that job. Or is it they just won't work for low wages. and there to dam ignorant for higher wages. Even tho I think brain work is over paid Vs. Labor. This Health care thing was a good distraction. Seems none can see the mirror parlor tricks going on here. Welcome to 2010 You haven't seen or heard and most important of all felt the pain of 2010 . But you will very shortly and you will cry.
 

shadow9d9

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Man whats up with the left here. Ya just won health care yet our responses are sharp.
You club anyone who thinks wealth care for all is bad. You ever stop to think ever once in your lives. I don't know anyone who doesn't want a better life for all. Its just that many don't want to pay for freeloaders. Why do you have a job ? Why can mexicans find work after crossing the border. When our poor couldn't find that job. Or is it they just won't work for low wages. and there to dam ignorant for higher wages. Even tho I think brain work is over paid Vs. Labor. This Health care thing was a good distraction. Seems none can see the mirror parlor tricks going on here. Welcome to 2010 You haven't seen or heard and most important of all felt the pain of 2010 . But you will very shortly and you will cry.
Seems like you know a hell of a lot about crying.
 

Nemesis 1

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Raising min. wage to $15. would have done 4x more good than this health care package . Real job creation in The USA would be mandatory for a congress that represents the people . Not bribing China with billions in stimulus moneys. I don't want to be part of NWO. I want America government to work for American people . Build America industry screw China. Let China take care of China .

There is only one law that can be made that can change everthing and bring accountability to all men great or small rich or poor sick healthy. Repell thelaw that allows corpurations. Make accountiability a reality. Instead of corpurate firewalls were a bank can borrow money to any enemy doing business in that country . Treason is treason NO exceptions. Terrorism has many faces. We declared war on violent terrorist. But who is doing more damage to all of us The violent terrorist. Or the corperate terrorist that do way more political and social damage To Americans hiding behind a corporate firewall.
 
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