G9 vs. G9x

[TheUnk]

Ok so I "upgraded" to a G9x as I figured 2500 more DPI would mean I could lower my sensitivity and have more accurate tracking. Supposedly this is the only difference between the 2 mice. Other than the angle snapping option in SetPoint it does initially appear that way.

I have found the G9x to be less precise than my G9. I played with both for about 30 mins in mspaint, both on the exact same DPI, sensitivity, surface, and polling rate. Consistently I was able to draw much straighter lines with the G9 than the G9x at the same settings. I tried several DPI settings, sensitivity, and polling rate settings on the G9x and could not match the precision of the G9.

To me this upgrade to their laser is a gimmick. Yes it moved a tiny bit faster at a lower sensitivity setting but it moved less accurately. It may be 2500 more DPI but however they accomplished that almost feels "faked"

If you are considering getting one of these, go with the G9.

 

[Xplaced]

Interesting info. I wonder if the mouse pad would make any difference? I would think since they were both on the same pad it would not, but you never know. Did you try different mats/pads, or just your desk surface for the heck of it?

I just had a Razer Imperator and I was not impressed by the "feel" of the laser in it at all. To me their 3G sensors are way better. Could just be what I'm used to though.

I had the original G9 and it was one of the smoothest mice I've ever had. It is a good mouse.

If you use your new G9X at the 6th notch in Windows pointer speed and set it to say, 1000 dpi, is it more or less accurate then? No change, etc.?

 

[0roo0roo]

sounds like you are comparing settings without knowing what the software actually does behind the scenes, the 9x should be no worse than the g9, you setting them to what you believe is artificially the same setting when it probably is not is the issue.

 

[TheUnk]

sounds like you are comparing settings without knowing what the software actually does behind the scenes, the 9x should be no worse than the g9, you setting them to what you believe is artificially the same setting when it probably is not is the issue.

Does it matter what the software does behind the scenes? If I can't make the G9x as precise as the G9 then it's inferior in my eyes. Regardless if the problem is hardware or software based.

 

[TheUnk]

Interesting info. I wonder if the mouse pad would make any difference? I would think since they were both on the same pad it would not, but you never know. Did you try different mats/pads, or just your desk surface for the heck of it?

I just had a Razer Imperator and I was not impressed by the "feel" of the laser in it at all. To me their 3G sensors are way better. Could just be what I'm used to though.

I had the original G9 and it was one of the smoothest mice I've ever had. It is a good mouse.

If you use your new G9X at the 6th notch in Windows pointer speed and set it to say, 1000 dpi, is it more or less accurate then? No change, etc.?

The only surfaces I tried was my X-Trac mouse pad and straight on my desk. Did not seem to make a difference.

I tried both just now at 1000dpi on notch 6. It does not seem to matter much, still much easier to draw straight lines with the G9.

When I first got the G9x I was constantly trying different DPI/polling/sensitivy settings as I could not get it to feel right in Battlefield. This is what prompted me to start comparing to 2 in the first place. It just seems to jump around too much regardless of setting, the same kinda feel you get when you have your sensitivty up to max with max dpi, but on a smaller scale.

 

[0roo0roo]

I've seen no other reports of this on the net, either you are doing something wrong or logitech made you a special mouse.

 

[0roo0roo]

use google next time..srsly
ftp://ftp.logitech.com/pub/techsupport/mouse/G9xMechaXFlash.zip

 

[TheUnk]

Thanks for the link but the firmware is up to date. SetPoint checks automatically. I tried the zip file just in case but it also said it's current. Maybe most people aren't as picky about theirs, or maybe there are very few that spent the money to go from a G9 to G9x. If you never used the G9 I guess you wouldn't know any better.

 

[TheUnk]

I'm going to get it replaced. Maybe I did get a defective one..

 

[bunnyfubbles]

lol, this is complete misunderstanding of whats going on.

If you are drawing straighter lines its because you're getting prediction with the sensor that is forcefully correcting your hand movements to draw straighter/smoother lines instead of converting your hand to cursor movement 1:1. The G9x sensor should have no prediction by default which means its actually more accurate as to what your hand is doing instead of trying to smooth the lines which is not ideal for gaming.

The angle snapping option is exactly that, you can turn it on to help you draw straighter lines with the G9x which is absurd for gaming IMO.

The G9 is not more accurate, its making your terrible hand movements look smoother and thus is actually less accurate.

Also, higher DPI plus lower software setting is defeating the purpose of higher DPI, its not giving you greater accuracy, its just dividing the values measured by the mouse to reduce cursor speed.

 

[TheUnk]

You have higher DPI so you don't have to use higher sensitivity. You don't want the software to increase OR decrease the values measured by the mouse. If the DPI does not go high enough then you are forced to though if you like fast movement. I like fast movement and have to increase sensitivity beyond it's defaults in games. I don't want to do that, so I want as high DPI as possible and simply reduce that if it is too much for me, which has yet to be the case.

You are telling me that the G9 has forced prediction on?

 

[Ben90]

lol, this is complete misunderstanding of whats going on.

If you are drawing straighter lines its because you're getting prediction with the sensor that is forcefully correcting your hand movements to draw straighter/smoother lines instead of converting your hand to cursor movement 1:1. The G9x sensor should have no prediction by default which means its actually more accurate as to what your hand is doing instead of trying to smooth the lines which is not ideal for gaming.

The angle snapping option is exactly that, you can turn it on to help you draw straighter lines with the G9x which is absurd for gaming IMO.

The G9 is not more accurate, its making your terrible hand movements look smoother and thus is actually less accurate.

Also, higher DPI plus lower software setting is defeating the purpose of higher DPI, its not giving you greater accuracy, its just dividing the values measured by the mouse to reduce cursor speed.

One hundred billion percent correct.

Since you say you are a low sensitivity gamer I recommend not getting a laser logitech mouse. They are fine for high sensitivity gaming, but the sensor is vastly inferior to a Razer 3.5G or a good underground mouse when it comes to raw inches per second.

Before a Razer hater comes protesting my response, I would like to point out not all logitech mice are bad, just the laser ones. The $10, 400 DPI, 9 year old MX300 is better for most highend gamers than any logitech mouse out there today.

Unfortunately that is how the world turns. Logitech knows how to exploit the "Gaming" market as the OP demonstrated. I have a couple of non knowledgeable friends who bought g15s because they were "highend" gaming keyboards now longingly looking at my 104-key Filco with Cherry Blacks. Thats probably my biggest pet peeve in all of computing: people who think the g15 is high quality because it has a LCD screen. Sorry, but a real gaming keyboard has at least NKRO; and, keyboards really needs to have mechanical switches to be decent.

*edit*
Ive normally seen the prediction bunny mentioned referred to as drift control. If thats the only thing you have problems with the mouse, you might be able to download a new firmware enabling it. I know Razer and a couple of underground gaming companies have this.

 

[TheUnk]

Since you say you are a low sensitivity gamer I recommend not getting a laser logitech mouse. They are fine for high sensitivity gaming, but the sensor is vastly inferior to a Razer 3.5G or a good underground mouse when it comes to raw inches per second.

You misunderstood. I wanted to lower my in-game sensitivity because I had to increase it so much. I am not a low sensitivity gamer.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

You are telling me that the G9 has forced prediction on?

I have never owned or used an original G9, but the way you're describing its performance is a dead ringer for every mouse I own that has prediction/drift control/angle snapping - its all the same (such as my Logitech MX518 and Razer Diamondback 3G, SteelSeries Kinzu, even my DeathAdder before firmware update removed it) vs. every mouse I own that does not (such as my Razer Abyssus, DeathAdder after firmware update, and my G9x with angle snapping setting turned to its default off)

Have you tried turning angle snapping on for your G9x?

 

[TheUnk]

I have never owned or used an original G9, but the way you're describing its performance is a dead ringer for every mouse I own that has prediction/drift control/angle snapping - its all the same (such as my Logitech MX518 and Razer Diamondback 3G, SteelSeries Kinzu, even my DeathAdder before firmware update removed it) vs. every mouse I own that does not (such as my Razer Abyssus, DeathAdder after firmware update, and my G9x with angle snapping setting turned to its default off)

Have you tried turning angle snapping on for your G9x?

Yes I have tried turning it on and I hate it. I can't move the mouse on a very slight angle, which I guess it the point? I would notice something like that if the G9 had it forced on.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I think you either have defective hardware or you're letting the placebo effect and gross misunderstanding of mousing functionality dictate your perception.

Of course you're going to be inclined to want to believe the former where I'm more and more convinced its likely the latter.

 

[Throckmorton]

Do this:

Set your sensitivity notches however you want them on both mice, and then uninstall the Logitech software. You don't need it.
Set speed in Windows to the 6th notch.
Open up MS Paint and draw a random squigly line. Switch mice and do it again.

Compare the two lines. Are both of them equally smooth or is there a stairstep pattern on one line?

If there is a stairstep pattern, unplug the mice and clean the sensor on both with a Q tip dipped in screen cleaner or isopropyl alcohol. Let them dry. Try again.

 

[TheUnk]

I had cleaned the previous G9x a few different ways, none of which helped.

The new replacement G9x does not have the same problem.. Crazy..

 

[vbuggy]

I like this mouse but I can't use it as it gives me extreme index finger pain after a matter of just a couple of days using it as a main. For occasional gaming forays, not an issue but the G9's make my finger hurt in a way that the old-style Logitech shape doesn't.

If you're not afflicted with these issues, for the more casual, all-purpose user I think the G9 is better, especially given how its discounted these days.

 

[Throckmorton]

I like this mouse but I can't use it as it gives me extreme index finger pain after a matter of just a couple of days using it as a main. For occasional gaming forays, not an issue but the G9's make my finger hurt in a way that the old-style Logitech shape doesn't.

If you're not afflicted with these issues, for the more casual, all-purpose user I think the G9 is better, especially given how its discounted these days.

Do you hold it with your fingertips or palm? Not a good mouse for palming because it's so flat. Fingertips are OK though because your hand can be more angled.

 

[simonizor]

Why would you think that a higher DPI setting would yield a straighter line? It should do the exact opposite. As I just got done posting in another thread in this forum, a higher DPI will allow the mouse to pick up the finer movements of your hand, making the line seem less straight. A lower DPI won't pick up the finer movements, making it easier to draw a straight line.

 

[vbuggy]

Do you hold it with your fingertips or palm? Not a good mouse for palming because it's so flat. Fingertips are OK though because your hand can be more angled.

I guess I'm a 'palmer'.