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G5 Macs

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Glitchny

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Hey im posting from one of the new G5 macs at the mac store, not a bad machine. Insaney expensive, and it doesnt seem like the "fastest personal computer ever" and yes i know they arent really the fastest just Mac would like for us to think so. Well just thought id share, i do wish i had one of these cinema displays.... beautiful
 
Originally posted by: NokiaDude
Pssst, install Seventeen or Bust and tell us how well it does!!!
EDIT: www.seventeenorbust.com
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how do u join anandtech team on this?

just curious is this like that other progtam which help look for other life forms and stuff... seta or something like that.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: oniq
I believe the company is called 'Apple', not 'Mac'.
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I believe the companis called crapple, not apple.

But enough of my hating 🙂
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You're just jealous. 😉

Typing on my crabApple TiBook right now... 😛
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey guy reading this over the shoulder of Glitchny ... kick him in the stuff for even considering an overpriced wastebasket.

- M4H
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i wasnt thinking of buying it just wanted to play with one since Apple claims to have the "fastest computer" and all
 
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey guy reading this over the shoulder of Glitchny ... kick him in the stuff for even considering an overpriced wastebasket.

- M4H
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i wasnt thinking of buying it just wanted to play with one since Apple claims to have the "fastest computer" and all
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It may be fast, but even on the G5, the OSX GUI sure as hell isn't the snappiest...
 
all those fans are independently controlled by the o/s. o/s can speed up fans in anticipation of heat. thats just sweet 🙂 damn my windows pc🙁
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey guy reading this over the shoulder of Glitchny ... kick him in the stuff for even considering an overpriced wastebasket.

- M4H
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i wasnt thinking of buying it just wanted to play with one since Apple claims to have the "fastest computer" and all
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It may be fast, but even on the G5, the OSX GUI sure as hell isn't the snappiest...
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You are mistaken, it is THE snappiest
 
In engineering we had the people come talk to us about how they designed the chip for it. The thing has the biggest heatsink you will ever see in a personal computer, it dissipates over 100 watts. It is insanely large. Kinda cool though.
 
Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey guy reading this over the shoulder of Glitchny ... kick him in the stuff for even considering an overpriced wastebasket.

- M4H
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i wasnt thinking of buying it just wanted to play with one since Apple claims to have the "fastest computer" and all
Click to expand...

It may be fast, but even on the G5, the OSX GUI sure as hell isn't the snappiest...
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You are mistaken, it is THE snappiest
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Among Macs, perhaps it is.. (this is observation, not flame. I happen to own a 17" 800Mhz G4 iMac)
 
Originally posted by: Twista
Originally posted by: NokiaDude
Pssst, install Seventeen or Bust and tell us how well it does!!!
EDIT: www.seventeenorbust.com
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how do u join anandtech team on this?

just curious is this like that other progtam which help look for other life forms and stuff... seta or something like that.
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Nah SoB just looks for numbers.

You have a much much higher chance of finding one of the missing primes tho, in which case if you did, your name would be imprinted amoung with the other 16 peoples, in some mathematical history book. Pretty cool 😎

I'd love to have maths teachers tell their students about some guy at anandtech that helped in the conquest to find one of the missing primes 😀

Check out the SoB FAQ's if you wanna run it.
 
If i had the money, I'd own a G5. Seeing as I can get nearly the same performance with $1000.00USD of hardware and a free OS (Gentoo Linux) I see no reason to own one on my budget.
 
That's what I'm gonig to do tomarrow. Goto the local Fry's and setup the G5 and any other computer with an internet connection to run SoB.
 
Originally posted by: Yossarian451
In engineering we had the people come talk to us about how they designed the chip for it. The thing has the biggest heatsink you will ever see in a personal computer, it dissipates over 100 watts. It is insanely large. Kinda cool though.
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Yeah, nice for a stock heatsink, with a bazillion fins and built-in heat pipes. And with surfing with the thing is very quiet. The fans rev. up if you remove the internal plexiglass side panel, but stay low with just the outer aluminum side panel off. As soon as you start doing hard core number crunching though, the fans rev. up. eg. MPEG-2 encoding or whatever.

The internals are a thing of absolute beauty. The cleanest design I have ever seen. I'm not sure exactly how they do it, but there is not a single exposed wire in sight. Even the fans don't have exposed wires.

As for speed, I'd say a dual G5 is about the speed of a dual Opteron 1.8 or maybe on a good day a dual Opteron 2.0 on average, but will be slower or faster depending on the software. It will not do that well for games because games are x86/DirectX optimized, but does very well on scientific benches, esp. if it involves vector code.

And here is a list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world. The preliminary numbers show that the 2112 G5 CPU system (1056 dual Power Macs) is in about 3rd or 4th place. And this is running OS X.2. So I'd say the OS kernel itself is Snappy(tm). The GUI does require a fast machine though or it will lag.

Prelim supercomputer rankings:

#1 - $250 million dollar NEC Earth Simulator (5120 custom CPUs)
#2 - HP 8192 CPU Alpha system
#3 - 2112 G5 2.0 system running OS X.2
#4 - 1936 Itanium 2 1.5 GHz system
#5 - 2304 Xeon 2.4 GHz system running Linux.

(Ignore number 5 and 6 on the list I linked, because they're both just #2 split in half.)
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
If i had the money, I'd own a G5. Seeing as I can get nearly the same performance with $1000.00USD of hardware and a free OS (Gentoo Linux) I see no reason to own one on my budget.
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Feel free to back that claim up with newegg parts.
 
How would you install SoB anyway? The closest thing I see is a Linux and FreeBSD installer, but I'm assuming this is for x86. I don't see a version for Mac OS X. But here is the RC5-72 score for the G5 (at the bottom at the table).
 
Originally posted by: Eug
Originally posted by: Yossarian451
In engineering we had the people come talk to us about how they designed the chip for it. The thing has the biggest heatsink you will ever see in a personal computer, it dissipates over 100 watts. It is insanely large. Kinda cool though.
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Yeah, nice for a stock heatsink, with a bazillion fins and built-in heat pipes. And with surfing with the thing is very quiet. The fans rev. up if you remove the internal plexiglass side panel, but stay low with just the outer aluminum side panel off. As soon as you start doing hard core number crunching though, the fans rev. up. eg. MPEG-2 encoding or whatever.

The internals are a thing of absolute beauty. The cleanest design I have ever seen. I'm not sure exactly how they do it, but there is not a single exposed wire in sight. Even the fans don't have exposed wires.

As for speed, I'd say a dual G5 is about the speed of a dual Opteron 1.8 or maybe on a good day a dual Opteron 2.0 on average, but will be slower or faster depending on the software. It will not do that well for games because games are x86/DirectX optimized, but does very well on scientific benches, esp. if it involves vector code.

And here is a list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world. The preliminary numbers show that the 2112 G5 CPU system (1056 dual Power Macs) is in about 3rd or 4th place. And this is running OS X.2. So I'd say the OS kernel itself is Snappy(tm). The GUI does require a fast machine though or it will lag.

Prelim supercomputer rankings:

#1 - $250 million dollar NEC Earth Simulator (5120 custom CPUs)
#2 - HP 8192 CPU Alpha system
#3 - 2112 G5 2.0 system running OS X.2
#4 - 1936 Itanium 2 1.5 GHz system
#5 - 2304 Xeon 2.4 GHz system running Linux.

(Ignore number 5 and 6 on the list I linked, because they're both just #2 split in half.)
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Just a question.

Why is the gui STILL slow on SUCH a machine? IT SHOULD NOT LAG on a machine like so. If so either the GUI is too intense or badly coded or the cpu is too slow.

Not hating just a question.

I think it rocks and is great and I'd take one. Maybe even buy one if it was the same as the pc type of prices 😀

Koing

 
Just a question.

Why is the gui STILL slow on SUCH a machine? IT SHOULD NOT LAG on a machine like so. If so either the GUI is too intense or badly coded or the cpu is too slow.

Not hating just a question.

I think it rocks and is great and I'd take one. Maybe even buy one if it was the same as the pc type of prices 😀

Koing
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It's not slow on a G5. It's slow on say a iBook 600 with Rage 128 though, even though that machine is only 2 years old. (In contrast, XP is fine on a Pentium III 600.)

The OS is OpenGL accelerated and G4-optimized. IMO you need at least a Radeon, and a G4 is highly recommended, to properly make use of features such as Exposé.
 
The stock G5 only has 128 megs of ram! 😕 Yes they are sweet looking though. As far as the internals goes, the way they keep all wires hidden is by making almost everything plug into the motherboard with sockets. That would include most of the fans. The hard drive and CR-rom drive plugs on the MB are designed so the cable is only a few inches long. The whole entire case and MB is designed to be that anally retentavley neat. I will say,very pretty! Oh yeah, HUGE and HEAVY!!!
 
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