- Feb 23, 2005
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G4 video game violence debate.
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If anything, violent video games helps people to be less violent, simply by letting them have a vent to get out some frustrations. Some people choose to play GTA, others choose to go boxing, others choose to run, and others choose to shoot their boss they're pissed at.
If anything the game "bully" is going to give the nerds who get picked on at school a chance to do the picking.
If anything the game "bully" is going to give the nerds who get picked on at school a chance to do the picking.
purbeast0
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- Sep 13, 2001
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wow jack thompson is such a big fvcking pussy. i love how just because he has a problem with it, it should be taken off the shelf.
well then since it has violence and should be taken off the shelf, looks like we should take TV out of households, stop production of movies, stop people from driving since we can kill people with cars, remove guns from everywhere in the world, the list goes on ...
he's a douche, case closed.
well then since it has violence and should be taken off the shelf, looks like we should take TV out of households, stop production of movies, stop people from driving since we can kill people with cars, remove guns from everywhere in the world, the list goes on ...
he's a douche, case closed.
I'm prob. going to get flamed for this ... but I do see some the point thompson is trying to make. Don't take me wrong, I've played my share of games and I don't have a kid ... but there's no way you can say that kids are not influenced at all by violence in video games. Is it going to make them go out and shoot people? No but does it still have a negative effect on them, I think the answer is yes.
Regarding the argument that, there is violence in TV and movies, the fact that there is violence in those forms, does not make it okay for games to have the type of content. And I do not agree that parents should have sole responsibility, the developer should as well. Put a M rating on it and be done with it already!
Regarding the argument that, there is violence in TV and movies, the fact that there is violence in those forms, does not make it okay for games to have the type of content. And I do not agree that parents should have sole responsibility, the developer should as well. Put a M rating on it and be done with it already!
Gooberlx2
Lifer
- May 4, 2001
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Yeah, it's kinda of unfair to try and make a point about a topic which could take hours of debate in a 3minute (or whatever it was) air spot.
That and the fact that Adam Sesslers just kept interjecting and screaming like an insolent child. The only level headed one of them was the guy in the middle.
- Feb 23, 2005
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Here is my take on it, and this is coming from a guy that worked in game retail for 3+ years. 90% of parents don't care what their kids play.
Whenever someone would bring a M rated game to the counter and they had a kid with them I would ask if the game was for the child, if they said yes I would point to the rating and say ?Now you do know this game is rated mature for bla bla bla...?. Like I said, 90% the parents would say something like ?Oh, it's o.k. He's played worse.? Very few parents would stop and think ?Wait.. Sex and blood? I thought this was a racing game?!?
I do agree that violence in games is starting to go too far. When the only selling point of a game is that you can play golf with a bloody head, then it's not worth playing if you ask me. (though Dead Rising looks sweet
) Yes games CAN change the way people think, I know it desensitized me a good amount. But I don't ever let myself confuse fantasy and reality, and neither did my mother. When I was 16 and she found out that I had a M rated game, She took the game away and didn't give it back until a month later after a very long talk and made it a rule that I could not play it for anymore than two hours MAX.
Penny-Arcade is working with the ESRB trying to make it easer for parents to understand what the ratings mean, It's a good start but I think the government (and jack) should stop wasting time trying to keep games from hitting the shelves and start teaching parents what games they should let their kids play. Just like Guns and drugs, You can't stop them but you can teach people about the harm they can do.
Whenever someone would bring a M rated game to the counter and they had a kid with them I would ask if the game was for the child, if they said yes I would point to the rating and say ?Now you do know this game is rated mature for bla bla bla...?. Like I said, 90% the parents would say something like ?Oh, it's o.k. He's played worse.? Very few parents would stop and think ?Wait.. Sex and blood? I thought this was a racing game?!?
I do agree that violence in games is starting to go too far. When the only selling point of a game is that you can play golf with a bloody head, then it's not worth playing if you ask me. (though Dead Rising looks sweet
) Yes games CAN change the way people think, I know it desensitized me a good amount. But I don't ever let myself confuse fantasy and reality, and neither did my mother. When I was 16 and she found out that I had a M rated game, She took the game away and didn't give it back until a month later after a very long talk and made it a rule that I could not play it for anymore than two hours MAX. Penny-Arcade is working with the ESRB trying to make it easer for parents to understand what the ratings mean, It's a good start but I think the government (and jack) should stop wasting time trying to keep games from hitting the shelves and start teaching parents what games they should let their kids play. Just like Guns and drugs, You can't stop them but you can teach people about the harm they can do.
I have no doubt in my mind that violent video games do contribute somewhat to the violence problem we have here in America. The sole cause, or even a major root cause? Not even remotely close.
Each "side" of the debate is just posturing. Jack's side is theyre all evil, the other side is the cause no harm, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Saying "it's all up to the parents" is a total cop out. It's a nearly completely impenetrable point, because refuting it requires more honesty than anyone in that situation is willing to give. The truth being, with a few EXTREMELY RARE exceptions, parents have a very distorted view of what we actually watched or did as kids. If we wanted to play violent video games, or beat each other up, or blow stuff up, or curse, smoke, do drugs, drink etc......we just did it when they weren't looking, and convinced our parents we didn't. Nowadays, its impossible to avoid violence, bad language, or sexual material unless you completely shut yourself out from the world. As soon as a kid gets an email address, the spam will start flowing, he will "confirm being 18", and krauts are going to get shot.
The main point is, which Adam made, is that there are more important things for us to worry about when it comes to dealing with the problems our kids have. Instead of trying to ban a game called "Bully" (which I've never even heard of), maybe they should do something about actual bullying.
If anything, I'd like to see less violence in games, that way there's one less gimmick, and more incentive to make a better game, rather than just oooooh gibs!
Each "side" of the debate is just posturing. Jack's side is theyre all evil, the other side is the cause no harm, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Saying "it's all up to the parents" is a total cop out. It's a nearly completely impenetrable point, because refuting it requires more honesty than anyone in that situation is willing to give. The truth being, with a few EXTREMELY RARE exceptions, parents have a very distorted view of what we actually watched or did as kids. If we wanted to play violent video games, or beat each other up, or blow stuff up, or curse, smoke, do drugs, drink etc......we just did it when they weren't looking, and convinced our parents we didn't. Nowadays, its impossible to avoid violence, bad language, or sexual material unless you completely shut yourself out from the world. As soon as a kid gets an email address, the spam will start flowing, he will "confirm being 18", and krauts are going to get shot.
The main point is, which Adam made, is that there are more important things for us to worry about when it comes to dealing with the problems our kids have. Instead of trying to ban a game called "Bully" (which I've never even heard of), maybe they should do something about actual bullying.
If anything, I'd like to see less violence in games, that way there's one less gimmick, and more incentive to make a better game, rather than just oooooh gibs!
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