G33/IHC9 chipset MB: upgrading E2200 CPU?

[videobruce]

I know little about Intel, I only run AMD.
My brother in law has a 2008 Dell PC with G33 chipset MB and a E2200 CPU.

I know it's old, but finances won't allow a new PC. I did a quick search (including here) and see there are some cheap used Exxxx processors out there. According to CPU Upgrade a E6800 (for example) is comparable with that boards chipset, but the PS is only 250 watts. The TDP is the same 64 watts as the E2200.

He apparently added additional memory along the way. It has 3GB up from the 2GB when it was bought. It still is using the on board video.

He has Vista installed, but it's so boughed down with a ton of 'crap' running, I suggested wiping it and installing XP Pro instead (comparable according to Dell with all the drivers available).

Suggestions, ideas??

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[jihe]

I know little about Intel, I only run AMD.
My brother in law has a 2008 Dell PC with G33 chipset MB and a E2200 CPU.

I know it's old, but finances won't allow a new PC. I did a quick search (including here) and see there are some cheap Exxxx processors out there. According to CPU Upgrade a E6800 (for example) is comparable with that boards chipset, but the PS is only 250 watts. The TDP is the same 64 watts as the E2200.

He apparently added additional memory along the way. It has 3GB up from the 2GB when it was bought. It still is using the on board video.

He has Vista installed, but it's so boughed down with a ton of 'crap' running, I suggested wiping it and installing XP Pro instead (comparable according to Dell with all the drivers available).

Suggestions, ideas??

bsel mod it to run at 266 for a 33% increase straight away.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Dell Vostro 530? I upgraded a neighbor's machine, that came with Vista. Install SSD, fresh install of Vista x64 SP2, and 4x2GB DDR2. Ran pretty decently after that.

 

[Burpo]

Almost twice the performance..
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+E2200+@+2.20GHz&id=1136

https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+E6800+@+3.33GHz&id=1398

Add <$50 SSD + Win7 32 bit, and you'll have a much speedier rig..

 

[videobruce]

bsel mod it to run at 266 for a 33% increase straight away.

That CPU FSB is 800Mhz. Are you talking about memory??

Burpo;
The PC isn't worth that much.
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[jihe]

That CPU FSB is 800Mhz. Are you talking about memory??



Burpo;

The PC isn't worth that much.

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Look up bsel mod. I think dell mobos work.

 

[JWade]

you could also go with an e5800, ($8 shipped on ebay for one), also same thermal wattage and is also 800mhz bus. I have tried the bsel mod myself in Dell's, never had much luck with them. You will be fine with the stock dell power supply.

I would definitely suggest installed windows 7 on that machine.

 

[MrTeal]

I can't imagine installing Win7 is worth the cost on a machine like that. You might be able to clean up Vista a bit.

Another eBay option would be to go for a cheap quad. If you're reasonably patient you can get even a higher multiplier one for $5-10

 

[JWade]

thing with those era dell's, the quads used a different motherboard in some models, along with a bigger power supply, its hit and miss on the quad.

 

[dbcooper1]

Vostro 530? If it's an INSPIRON 530 which uses the same board as the Vostro 200, update the BIOS if necessary, with the current CPU and drop an E8400, 8500 or 8600. Instantly faster, faster FSB and much more cache. For me, the most cost effective was the E8400 due to price at the time. Together with an SSD and 4-8GB total RAM, I rebuilt quite a few of these for family and friends and most are still using them. Most were trade-ins for systems I built a couple years ago. (maybe longer now that I think about it)

 

[videobruce]

Look up bsel mod. I think dell mobos work.

I wouldn't want to risk that. Where did the "BESL" term come from??

I would definitely suggest installed windows 7 on that machine.

It struggles with Vista. Also, Dell's site only shows support for V and XP. Besides, W7 sucks.

Another eBay option would be to go for a cheap quad.

According to a few articles I have read, those would require at least a 350w PSU. Again, finances are tight.. If it was my box, I would just sell it.

I have seen those E's go for under $30 shipped from e-bay which kinda surprised me.

BTW, thanks for all the input.

 

[videobruce]

According to CPU Upgrade, these are suppose to be compatable with the MB;

E5300 - AT80571PG0642M/AT80571PG0642ML/BX80571E5300/BXC80571E5300
, 2.6 GHz, FSB 800 MHz, L2 2 MB

E5400 - AT80571PG0682M/AT80571PG0682ML/BX80571E5400/BXC80571E5400
, 2.7 GHz, FSB 800 MHz, L2 2 MB

E5500 - AT80571PG0722ML /BX80571E5500 /BXC80571E5500
, 2.8 GHz, FSB 800 MHz, L2 2 MB

E5700 - AT80571PG0802ML /BX80571E5700 /BXC80571E5700
, 3 GHz, FSB 800 MHz, L2 2 MB

E5800 - AT80571PG0882ML /BX80571E5800
, 3.2 GHz, FSB 800 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6300 - AT80571PH0722ML /BX80571E6300 /BXC80571E6300
, 2.8 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6500 - AT80571PH0772ML /BX80571E6500 /BXC80571E6500
, 2.93 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6500K - AT80571XH0772ML /BXC80571E6500K
, 2.93 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6600 - AT80571PH0832ML /BX80571E6600 /BXC80571E6600
, 3.06 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6700 - AT80571PH0882ML /BX80571E6700 /BXC80571E6700
, 3.2 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

E6800 - AT80571PH0932ML /BX80571E6800 /BXC80571E6800
, 3.33 GHz, FSB 1066 MHz, L2 2 MB

Which is why I initially choose the E6800, but after looking closer, the E5800 or 6800 might be a better choice. Will that faster FSB speed (266MHz) make much of a difference vs the slight clock speed difference of 400MHz??

I also read a quad core would work depending on the PSU. Specifically a Q6600 8MB L2 & Q8300 4MB L2 both w/ a 1066FSB

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[tcsenter]

It's like the Dell model or part # is some kind of hush-hush secret. Two different people have tried to tease out the system model we're dealing with and they get nadda.

 

[videobruce]

I never liked Dell or Lenovo, both have been anti AMD and sued more than once because of it.
HP has been the most AMD friendly over the years, but at least with them (and others that I looked into fro friends & relitives who wanted to upgrade of 'fix' their 'bloated' machines), they DO provide the MB model number which makes it easier to find out the actual manufacture (usually Foxconn).

I looked over the specs for that 530S three times and the MB was NOT ever listed as a part. They even list the labels and screws used for the rest of the chassis, but no MB.

What a bunch of losers.

 

[Denithor]

Exactly how tight are the finances?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...601719?hash=item35f53bc537:g:TyUAAOSwI-BWQPf8

Here's a Dell Optiplex 390 with an i3 2120 (3.3GHz dual with HT), 4GB DDR3, 320GB HDD with Windows 7 Pro x64 installed for $130.

That's going to blow the doors off anything you're going to be able to do with his existing box. And the price really isn't too high.

 

[tcsenter]

I looked over the specs for that 530S three times and the MB was NOT ever listed as a part.

Inspiron 530S should use G33M02 (Dell P/N ORY007) board. You can confirm the board ID or P/N using Speccy, CPU-Z, or just look for silkscreen markings on the board near the DIMM slots or chipset. With BIOS 1.0.16 or later, as already mentioned, it will support any of the Wolfdale (45nm) dual-core 7000 or 8000 series (up to 65W TDP). e.g. E7600 or E8600. But NO quad cores, due to hardware (VRM design) limit on this particular board.

BTW, this Inspiron board does not support AHCI mode on the SATA, only IDE emulation (and RAID, IIRC). Doesn't preclude the use of SSD but limits full performance (unless you use RAID mode for 1-drive array). There are modded BIOS available around the interwebs.

Here's a Dell Optiplex 390 with an i3 2120 (3.3GHz dual with HT), 4GB DDR3, 320GB HDD with Windows 7 Pro x64 installed for $130.

Only limit with OptiPlex 390 is that it only supports Gen 2 Core family, not any Gen 3, and it also does not support AHCI mode for SATA. I know because I just upgraded two of them.

I would look for HP Compaq Pro 6300 or Elite 8300. Reasonably priced off-lease or refurbed. Both support 2nd gen and 3rd gen Core processors (but not parts with HD 3000 graphics). Both support AHCI on SATA. And since the OP likes better technical documentation, HP/Compaq has better technical and service guides (at least for these models, anyway).

 

[videobruce]

Exactly how tight are the finances?

Tight. In that price range there are other local choices available Intel free.

Inspiron 530S should use G33M02 (Dell P/N ORY007) board. You can confirm the board ID or P/N using Speccy, CPU-Z

I'm assuming it that the cheaper board. Good suggestion on the software ID'ing the board though it has to be opened anyway for at least a cleaning.

HP/Compaq has better technical and service guides

Which is another reason I have only purchased their Laptops. As far a desktops, I would never even remotely consider buying a pre-config'ed PC no matter what/who has their name on it. :thumbsdown:

 

[videobruce]

On a side note, I have to laugh at the number of older processors out there that are being sold for as little as $3 (including shipping) on e-bay. What a colossal waste of time and energy, not to mention the two dollar actual profit.

Again, thanks all for the valuable input.

 

[myocardia]

That CPU FSB is 800Mhz. Are you talking about memory??

No, that CPU's DDR FSB is 800 Mhz. It's clock speed is 200 Mhz. 266/200= 1.33, or 33% overclock. It's a great way to overclock old Dells, but it isn't as easy as some people claim. If you aren't able to/wouldn't overclock on a 'normal' overclocking board, you'd want to run away screaming from trying to overclock through BSEL modding.

 

[videobruce]

If you aren't able to/wouldn't overclock on a 'normal' overclocking board, you'd want to run away screaming from trying to overclock through BSEL modding.

Able; yes, wouldn't; correct, simply because electronics run hot enough, I don't believe in making them run 'hotter'.

Stating that, I do realize the lower cost processors in a series are de-clocked (is that a term?) purposely to put them at a lower price point with the 'fastest' versions operating at the top speed they were designed for all for marketing purposes. ($$)
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that. :\

 

[tcsenter]

I can't imagine installing Win7 is worth the cost on a machine like that. You might be able to clean up Vista a bit.

With one of the higher Wolfdale 7000 or 8000 parts, 4GB RAM, SSD and budget (low profile in this case) PCI-E graphics card, they run W7 x64 just fine. Don't have to spend a lot to do a full 4x or more better than Intel integrated graphics from this era. The Inspiron 530s should have four DIMM slots, so having 6GB or 8GB DDR2 should not be a problem.