G.I.'s Said to Capture Rebel Cleric's Aide in Overnight Clashes

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/international/middleeast/26CND_IRAQ.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 26 ? American troops in Najaf captured a key lieutenant to Moktada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric, during fierce fighting that killed "a very large number" of rebels, an American military spokesman in Iraq said today.

The captured militant, Said Riyad al-Nouri, who is also Mr. Sadr's brother-in-law, was handed over to Iraqi authorities for prosecution in connection with the April 2003 murder of a rival of Mr. Sadr
, the spokesman, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, said. Mr. Sadr has led a movement resisting occupation forces since early April.

The capture came as American troops battled Mr. Sadr's militia in Najaf and the Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad, where American troops engaged in 21 separate firefights, said General Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman for coalition forces in Iraq.

"A very large number" of Mr. Sadr's rebels were killed in Najaf and Sadr City, the spokesman said. He offered no specific casualty figures, saying only that "less than 100" fighters died. There were no reported deaths among coalition troops in the Najaf and Sadr City fighting.

. An official at Hakim Hospital in Najaf said that as many as 11 people were killed in the city and 36 were injured.

The coalition, General Kimmitt said, was "constantly chipping away" at Mr. Sadr's militia.

In other violence today, two Russian technicians were killed and at least five others were wounded when their convoy was hit by rebel gunfire, news services said.

The technicians were employees of the Russian company Interenergoservis, which said today it would evacuate all its remaining staff from Iraq. The firm's workers have been abducted and killed in previous attacks.

Russian engineers have specialized in maintaining Iraq's fragile electrical system.

In Baqubah, militants driving a black Opel attacked the Al-Khalis chief of police with small-arms fire, killing both the chief and his driver, General Kimmitt said.

In southwest Baghdad, a roadside bomb was detonated, killing three Iraqis and wounding nine, the general said. Two suspects were killed in the explosion and one was wounded, he said, adding that two Iraqi police officers were also wounded in the blast.

The developments came a day after the the Shrine of Imam Ali, one of the holiest sites for Shiite Muslims, suffered minor damage in clashes between American forces and insurgents loyal to Mr. Sadr in Najaf and in the neighboring city of Kufa.

In Baghdad on Tuesday, explosions boombed near downtown in two attacks. In one, a car bomb exploded near a hotel in the Jadhriya neighborhood, wounding at least two people, including a boy of about 12. In the Sadoon neighborhood, an American soldier was wounded at a guard post on top of a police station after insurgents fired four rockets from inside a nearby apartment complex.

The Shrine of Imam Ali is revered by Shiite Muslims, and American soldiers have taken great pains to avoid damaging it for fear of alienating Shiites who might not ordinarily support Mr. Sadr. At least three projectiles struck the shrine's compound on Tuesday, one hitting a gate in an inner courtyard and wounding at least 12 people, amid some of the heaviest fighting in the six-week standoff in Najaf.

The other projectiles, possibly mortar shells, hit a roof on an outlying building and the ground about 10 yards outside the shrine's main wall.

As they did when the shrine's dome was hit by gunfire three weeks ago, Mr. Sadr's supporters and the American military blamed each other for the damage on Tuesday.

Gen. Kimmitt denied on Tuesday that American troops had caused the damage. He said it was unclear whether it had been caused by fighting between rival Shiite factions or whether Mr. Sadr's men had fired on the shrine with the intention of blaming the American military.

The clashes in Najaf and Kufa stood in contrast to the situation in Karbala, to the north, which remained quiet today..

Last month, Mr. Sadr led an anti-American uprising that in recent weeks has spread to nearly every major city in the largely Shiite south. American forces have inflicted heavy casualties on Mr. Sadr's poorly trained and lightly armed followers but have not quieted their threat.
 

Crimson

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My guess is these Iraqi Authorities are treating this guy about 100x worse than any of the prisoners we mistreated..
 

Infohawk

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The sad part about stories like these is that it makes no difference in the long run. The US can have as many tactical victories as we want, it won't change any hearts and minds (since that is the new double-speak mission).
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Crimson
My guess is these Iraqi Authorities are treating this guy about 100x worse than any of the prisoners we mistreated..


What's your point? The US is better than Iraqis? Less savage? The mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners (many innocent) was somehow justified?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
My guess is these Iraqi Authorities are treating this guy about 100x worse than any of the prisoners we mistreated..


What's your point? The US is better than Iraqis? Less savage? The mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners (many innocent) was somehow justified?

heh...like Jon Stewart said last night would be Bush's new campaign slogan:

America: We're not as bad as Saddam.
 

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The sad part about stories like these is that it makes no difference in the long run. The US can have as many tactical victories as we want, it won't change any hearts and minds (since that is the new double-speak mission).

Actually contrary to what you might be hearing in the media the Iraqi's themselves are not too fond of Sadr and his militia. many of them are from Iran, they have violated numerous tenants of Islam, and they have ignored the the orders to cease and desist from Sistanni - the head of the religion.

Various stories I have seen pretty much have the Iraqi's considering these guys to be punks and thugs. In Najaf they have been blamed for murdering civilians who do as much as look at them the wrong way. They are using pricess religious sites to stage their attacks. They have attacked Sistanni, as well as the local police force. And on and on. Just two days ago a massive arms shipment was intercepted in the town from guess where, Iran.

It is not only the US that is fighting them. The local tribal elders have called their men to arms. Most of the fighting is between these men and Sadr's men with the US troops picking them off when ever they get the chance. Reports have suggested roaming groups of militia in the city are getting shot at out of random windows and even that the local militia is openly fighting a war against Sadr. The local clerics have large armed attachments which are now assaulting temples and shrines trying to remove Sadr's followers.

If you believe the media you would think that the US is doing all of this on their own. The truth is, we have not even entered the city for the past week. All of our fighting is on the outskirts. Numerous reports lately tell that the most telling sign of internal fighting is the sounds of Kalishnakov's shooting at eachother all night long.
 

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Originally posted by: irwincur
The sad part about stories like these is that it makes no difference in the long run. The US can have as many tactical victories as we want, it won't change any hearts and minds (since that is the new double-speak mission).

Actually contrary to what you might be hearing in the media the Iraqi's themselves are not too fond of Sadr and his militia. many of them are from Iran, they have violated numerous tenants of Islam, and they have ignored the the orders to cease and desist from Sistanni - the head of the religion.

Various stories I have seen pretty much have the Iraqi's considering these guys to be punks and thugs. In Najaf they have been blamed for murdering civilians who do as much as look at them the wrong way. They are using pricess religious sites to stage their attacks. They have attacked Sistanni, as well as the local police force. And on and on. Just two days ago a massive arms shipment was intercepted in the town from guess where, Iran.

It is not only the US that is fighting them. The local tribal elders have called their men to arms. Most of the fighting is between these men and Sadr's men with the US troops picking them off when ever they get the chance. Reports have suggested roaming groups of militia in the city are getting shot at out of random windows and even that the local militia is openly fighting a war against Sadr. The local clerics have large armed attachments which are now assaulting temples and shrines trying to remove Sadr's followers.

If you believe the media you would think that the US is doing all of this on their own. The truth is, we have not even entered the city for the past week. All of our fighting is on the outskirts. Numerous reports lately tell that the most telling sign of internal fighting is the sounds of Kalishnakov's shooting at eachother all night long.



Good to hear, didn't know this. Thanks.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: irwincur
The sad part about stories like these is that it makes no difference in the long run. The US can have as many tactical victories as we want, it won't change any hearts and minds (since that is the new double-speak mission).

Actually contrary to what you might be hearing in the media the Iraqi's themselves are not too fond of Sadr and his militia. many of them are from Iran, they have violated numerous tenants of Islam, and they have ignored the the orders to cease and desist from Sistanni - the head of the religion.

Various stories I have seen pretty much have the Iraqi's considering these guys to be punks and thugs. In Najaf they have been blamed for murdering civilians who do as much as look at them the wrong way. They are using pricess religious sites to stage their attacks. They have attacked Sistanni, as well as the local police force. And on and on. Just two days ago a massive arms shipment was intercepted in the town from guess where, Iran.

It is not only the US that is fighting them. The local tribal elders have called their men to arms. Most of the fighting is between these men and Sadr's men with the US troops picking them off when ever they get the chance. Reports have suggested roaming groups of militia in the city are getting shot at out of random windows and even that the local militia is openly fighting a war against Sadr. The local clerics have large armed attachments which are now assaulting temples and shrines trying to remove Sadr's followers.

If you believe the media you would think that the US is doing all of this on their own. The truth is, we have not even entered the city for the past week. All of our fighting is on the outskirts. Numerous reports lately tell that the most telling sign of internal fighting is the sounds of Kalishnakov's shooting at eachother all night long.

I don't see how your post was a reponse to my statement. You seem to be assuming I think Iraqis support or don't support Sistani. I took no such position.

What is this media you talk about. Please define it specifically. What are your sources for what you're pushing?
 

irwincur

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FYI, a recent poll in Iraq found about 1/3 supporting al-Sadr.

FYI, a recent poll says that 1% of Iraqi's fear instability.

FYI, a recent poll says that 80% of Iraqi's feel they are better off today than last year.

FYI, a recent poll says that 75% of iraqi's think that next year will be even better.

FYI, common sense would dictate that you are plain wrong. With the Sunni and Kurd populations (they would never support Sadr) in Iraq, it would take an overwhelming majority of Shite support to get to this number. Let me guess your poll was by NPR and it was taken in Sadr City. The fact is you poll is nearly impossible.

What is this media you talk about. Please define it specifically. What are your sources for what you're pushing?

Salon had an excellt article about Najaf. Consdering the liberal nature I was amazed. But they actually had a guy on the groud reporting the truth. Not like the large media outlets that have confined their workers to hotels and bases. The media is getting most of their 'ground' reports from Al Jazeera wires and a few AP independants.

Oh, stfu!

I would say that is pretty rude. Not surprising for someone that obviously cannot formulate a comprehensive argument.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Passions
Good to hear, didn't know this. Thanks.

Oh, stfu!

Conjur you are becoming such a troll. Give it a rest, okay? Stop harrassing me.

LMAO!!!

*I'm* a troll? I'm not the one taking the words of some anonymous poster on an internet forum as FACT.

irwincur posts some opinion of his and you slap him on the back like he's found the Holy Grail!

Seriously, drop your troll act and engage in REAL discussion or STFU. We're all tired of your b.s.
 

Passions

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How do you equate "Good to hear, didn't know this. Thanks." to finding the Holy Grail????? I just simply stated that I found out something new today and thanked him for it. (I thought normal Iraqi's were embracing Al-Sadr.) You get all bent out of shape and tell me to stfu.

UNCALLED FOR.

Conjur, you are attacking me. A violation of P&N rules. I ask you to please stop. Thanks.
 

Corn

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Seriously, drop your troll act and engage in REAL discussion or STFU. We're all tired of your b.s.

Seriously, you're the biggest moron on this message board. You couldn't come up with an original thought if your life depended upon it. You'll do and say anything to feed your starving ego, while at the same time indulging in the same behavior in thread after thread of which you accuse Passions. Hey, Passions is a joke, no doubt, but his idiocy merly mirrors your own. Both of you are fools who are on the wrong end of a very cruel joke.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Passions
How do you equate "Good to hear, didn't know this. Thanks." to finding the Holy Grail????? I just simply stated that I found out something new today and thanked him for it. (I thought normal Iraqi's were embracing Al-Sadr.) You get all bent out of shape and tell me to stfu.

UNCALLED FOR.

Conjur, you are attacking me. A violation of P&N rules. I ask you to please stop. Thanks.

Because you b!tch and moan when anyone else offers up opinion w/o proof or complain we read "liberally biased" media but you oh-so-willingly believe someone who's never posted up here before.

You're a troll.

Your act is OLD and tired.

Everyone knows you're putting on act, too, and your continued denial is just a sad indictment of your character.

And your buddy Corn appears to be trying to follow in your footsteps.
 

Corn

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I call Passions a fool, yet I'm his buddy..............so goes the logic of the village idiot.
 

conjur

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In other violence today, two Russian technicians were killed and at least five others were wounded when their convoy was hit by rebel gunfire, news services said.

The technicians were employees of the Russian company Interenergoservis, which said today it would evacuate all its remaining staff from Iraq. The firm's workers have been abducted and killed in previous attacks.

Guess no one has comments about this portion either.