G.E. Earnings Rise 18%; Strong Gains in Most Units

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G.E. Earnings Rise 18%; Strong Gains in Most Units

By TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN

Published: January 22, 2005

The General Electric Company, citing robust growth in almost all of its major business units, reported record fourth-quarter earnings yesterday.

G.E. earned $5.4 billion, or 51 cents a share, an 18 percent increase from the $4.56 billion, or 45 cents a share, it earned in the last quarter of 2003.

G.E., a conglomerate with such diverse lines of business as consumer finance, industrial sales, entertainment and aerospace, has been trying to reignite profitability that began flagging shortly after the departure of John F. Welch as chief executive in 2001.

Mr. Welch's successor as chief executive, Jeffrey R. Immelt, said last month that he believed that G.E. would deliver earnings growth of as much as 17 percent this year. Analysts said the quarterly report represented a solid start toward delivering on that promise.

"People always want to draw from G.E. something about what their earnings say about the global economy," said Deane M. Dray, an analyst with Goldman Sachs. "I would say that one of the key things is that their growth rate is broad based across all of their business lines."

G.E., which reported earnings growth in 9 of 11 main business units, said that it saw particular strength in industrial sales, and that global economic strength also helped lift its bottom line.

Industrial sales rose 19 percent in the quarter, and assets in its financial services businesses rose 20 percent. The company said one weak spot was insurance, where profits declined in part because of increased loss reserves for policies underwritten.

For the year, G.E. had earnings of $16.6 billion, or $1.59 a share, up 11 percent from $15 billion, or $1.49 a share, in 2003.

It can be hard to assess the bottom line of large, diversified companies like G.E. because consolidated results can be clouded by one-time gains, acquisitions and other items that mask a company's intrinsic growth rate. But Mr. Dray noted that G.E. is predicting that the core growth rate in revenue, which it refers to as its organic growth rate, will be about 8 percent this year.

For his part, Mr. Immelt continued to send bullish signals yesterday, though he estimated G.E. would achieve earnings growth of 10 percent to 15 percent, slightly lower than what he outlined last month.

G.E.'s shares fell 24 cents, or less than 1 percent, to $35.13 on the New York Stock Exchange.

"G.E. had a tremendous fourth quarter and an excellent 2004, as we completed our strategic repositioning and returned to double-digit earnings growth in the quarter," Mr. Immelt said in a statement. "As a result, we're going into 2005 with excellent momentum."

Revenue climbed to $43.71 billion in the quarter, up 18 percent from $36.96 billion in the period in 2003. Revenue for the year reached $152.4 billion, up 14 percent from $134.2 billion in 2003.

"It was sort of steady and solid," said Daniel J. Rosenblatt, an analyst with Babson Capital Management, referring to the results. "I think people were really looking for the color for 2005 and wanted to see if G.E. was confident it could do 13 percent to 15 percent earnings growth. They seem to be very confident."

Investors welcomed G.E.'s earnings announcement early yesterday with expectations that its results, seen as a proxy for broader economic trends, might provide a sustained lift in stock prices. That did not prove to be the case, however, and prices skidded in the afternoon, with the Dow Jones industrial average falling 78.48 points, or less than 1 percent.

Analysts said that regardless of where the broader market is headed, the year would be a crucial test of G.E.'s financial performance and Mr. Immelt's stewardship.

This is "the year that G.E. has to come through, because they made a lot of big, fully priced acquisitions and investments in 2004," said Robert Friedman, an analyst at S.& P. Equity Services. "In 2005, earnings may grow in low double-digit rates, but the question is, Can G.E. generate double-digit earnings growth on a sustainable basis, given the company's enormous revenue and earnings base?"



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Great news for the US economy
 

raildogg

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Tax breaks help lift GE profits by 18%

By Dan Roberts in New York
Published: January 21 2005 12:50 | Last updated: January 21 2005 19:01

general electricGeneral Electric, the world's biggest company by market value, reported an 18 per cent jump in net earnings on Friday thanks, in part, to a sharp fall in its expected tax bill.

A series of legal changes and court victories has left GE with one of the lowest tax rates in corporate America.

The latest reductions underscore the growing struggle to tax multinational corporations at the 30-35 per cent rates demanded by many developed countries.

For the fourth quarter of 2004, GE made a total provision of $677m (£362m) for income taxes, or 11.2 per cent of its $6.06bn pre-tax earnings. Tax rates for GE's highly profitable financial services business, reported separately, fell to just 3 per cent.

Some of the reduction relates to the sale of GE's outsourcing business in India, which produced a gain of $336m in what is a relatively low-tax jurisdiction.

However, some of the remaining reduction relates to a $137bn package of tax breaks passed by Congress in October as part of the American Jobs Creation Act.

Although much of the legislation does not come into force until this month, GE said it was already benefiting from changes to tax rules for its aircraft-leasing business.

GE lobbied successfully in Washington during the drafting of the legislation to ?simplify? certain aspects of the corporate tax code after a World Trade Organisation decision to block export tax credits.

Nevertheless, the effective tax rates revealed in Friday's earnings announcement are far lower than many Wall Street analysts expected. Jeffrey Sprague, an analyst at Citigroup, said GE's tax rate may ?raise some eyebrows?. ?We are not sure yet what is behind this,? he added. GE said the main reason its tax rate continues to fall overall is that a growing share of its profits come from overseas activities, often in low-tax jurisdictions.

The effective tax rate for GE's industrial business, excluding finance, has also fallen to just 16.7 per cent, although the company expects this to climb back to about 25 per cent this year.

Even this compares favourably with rivals such as United Technologies Corporation, which on Friday reported an 11 per cent rise in fourth-quarter earnings. UTC, which sells Pratt & Whitney jet engines, Carrier air conditioning and Otis elevators, said it expected to pay $275m on $985m of pre-tax earnings 28 per cent.

GE has long set the benchmark for efficient tax management in the US. Its results also show the fruits of its recent restructuring after two years of slower growth.

?This is the quarter we have been waiting for,? said Bill Cary, vice-president of GE Investor Communications. GE also said most of the exceptional gains in the quarter from disposals and aircraft leasing were offset by other negative items such as increased reserves for insurance.

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BarneyFife

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I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....


Please. The dow was at around 11000 when Bill Clinton left office and 4 years later its at 10400. GREAT ECONOMY!
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....


Please. The dow was at around 11000 when Bill Clinton left office and 4 years later its at 10400. GREAT ECONOMY!



Nice subject change. I guess you dont want to mention the tech bubble that was going to burst no matter who was in office.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....


Please. The dow was at around 11000 when Bill Clinton left office and 4 years later its at 10400. GREAT ECONOMY!



Nice subject change. I guess you dont want to mention the tech bubble that was going to burst no matter who was in office.

Or Sept 11, Or how far it dropped and came back under the Bush Admin.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....


Please. The dow was at around 11000 when Bill Clinton left office and 4 years later its at 10400. GREAT ECONOMY!

considering 9/11 and the fact we are at war, its not bad. Believe 157,000 jobs were created in December. Unemployment rate is at about 5.4 percent, when compared to the European countries, its not bad at all.

2.2 million jobs were created in 2004
 

alent1234

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every company uses tax strategy to lift earnings. if earnings fall because of higher taxes, the stock price will plummet. rasing earnings because of lower taxes is a good thing. It frees up money to hire more people.
 

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Originally posted by: alent1234
every company uses tax strategy to lift earnings. if earnings fall because of higher taxes, the stock price will plummet. rasing earnings because of lower taxes is a good thing. It frees up money to hire more people.

More H1-B's that is. That and they seem to employ the entire town of Hyderabad.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I guess we should just ignore that this is the first time in over 20 years since the stock market has been down for the first 3 weeks of a new year.



And the rest of the year was up 20%. details....


Please. The dow was at around 11000 when Bill Clinton left office and 4 years later its at 10400. GREAT ECONOMY!

considering 9/11 and the fact we are at war, its not bad. Believe 157,000 jobs were created in December. Unemployment rate is at about 5.4 percent, when compared to the European countries, its not bad at all.

2.2 million jobs were created in 2004

I thought we weren't at war? Damn, which is it? For the 4th consecutive months payrolls were cut by over 100K in December. An indication that things are going great! January should make it 5 consecutive months. Hmm, something does not jive. :roll:
 

DealMonkey

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I wonder how much federal tax G.E. paid on those billions in profit?

(probably none)

I wonder how much in federal subsidies and corporate welfare G.E. took in during that period?

(probably hundreds of millions $)
 

raildogg

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I know how you leftists love to hear bad news on the economy. Well it isnt going to happen.

We are adding 150k jobs a month, our unemployment rate is going down. In fact its much lower than some of your European countries, the same countries you believe are superior to America.

We should all be glad the economy is rebounding after the 9/11 disaster and 2 wars.
 

DealMonkey

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That's great and all raildawg, but I just want our corporate bohemoths to pay their fair share of taxes and stop sucking off the gov't teet. Is that so tremendously unfair of me?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: raildogg
I know how you leftists love to hear bad news on the economy. Well it isnt going to happen.

We are adding 150k jobs a month, our unemployment rate is going down. In fact its much lower than some of your European countries, the same countries you believe are superior to America.

We should all be glad the economy is rebounding after the 9/11 disaster and 2 wars.
I am quite happy the economy is recovering, albeit it slowly. Bear in mind, however, that 150K jobs per month is just barely breaking even with a growing population. It is NOT filling the 2.x million job hole left during the first three years of the Bush admin.


Edit: typo
 

Michael

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DealMonkey - And what makes you think they are not already paying their fair share of taxes? A hint, don't rely on that report that hit the news a little while ago talking about what % pay taxes. I read it from cover-to-cover and it includes all companies, even small little private holding companies. It doesn't support your view.

Michael
 

DealMonkey

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Michael, I think if you looked into overall corporate tax rates over the last few decades, you'd notice they were falling year-over-year, but more dramatically over the last few years. GE operates a HUGE lobbying effort and consequently has been able to craft corporate tax legislation to benefit themselves handsomely.

Citizens for Tax Justice reports that General Electric, America?s most profitable corporation, reported $50.8 billion in U.S. profits over the past five years, but paid only 11.5 percent of that in federal income taxes. That low tax rate reflected almost $12 billion in corporate tax welfare for GE.

And that was as of 2002.