You obviously forgot your geographyOriginally posted by: senseamp
Air exclusion zone is not same as airspace. Airspace is 12 miles from the coastline, 500 miles is international airspace.
Originally posted by: Sacrilege
So uh, how did NATO get this picture of the Kuznetosov?
FAS.org picture
Oh, maybe by flying 2000 ft over the carrier.
OP needs to brush up on how these military matters work before calling for blood.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You obviously forgot your geographyOriginally posted by: senseamp
Air exclusion zone is not same as airspace. Airspace is 12 miles from the coastline, 500 miles is international airspace.
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
You war mongers need to find yourself a good Muslim extremist camp to join or something.
They already have an extremist camp... It's called a christain church... I'm sure you've seen em, littered in every town across the USA spreading the disease to anyone that cares to listen.
Wow... somebody left the tool shed open...
Originally posted by: Citrix
having your life put on the line by the president is all part of the paycheck when one is in the military. if you are not willing to make that sacrifice you have no business joining any of the armed forces.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Citrix
having your life put on the line by the president is all part of the paycheck when one is in the military. if you are not willing to make that sacrifice you have no business joining any of the armed forces.
I would expect better than that of American troops. If what you're willing to give when you sign up for that paycheck includes blind allegiance to the exclusion of your conscience and your personal integrity, you'd only disgrace any uniform of the United States of America.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Sorry Harvey choice is essentially taken away when you sign up. You should know that. Or would you expect a soldier to refuse on "moral" grounds? Or "Because my conscience wont let me"?
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Sorry Harvey choice is essentially taken away when you sign up. You should know that. Or would you expect a soldier to refuse on "moral" grounds? Or "Because my conscience wont let me"?
Try running that by those convicted of war crimes because they were "just following orders." It doesn't fly, and your willingness to approve of criminality under color of authority does not speak well for you.
I repeat -- If what you're willing to give when you sign up for that paycheck includes blind allegiance to the exclusion of your conscience and your personal integrity, you'd only disgrace any uniform of the United States of America.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Sorry Harvey choice is essentially taken away when you sign up. You should know that. Or would you expect a soldier to refuse on "moral" grounds? Or "Because my conscience wont let me"?
Try running that by those convicted of war crimes because they were "just following orders." It doesn't fly, and your willingness to approve of criminality under color of authority does not speak well for you.
I repeat -- If what you're willing to give when you sign up for that paycheck includes blind allegiance to the exclusion of your conscience and your personal integrity, you'd only disgrace any uniform of the United States of America.
Well said :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Sorry Harvey choice is essentially taken away when you sign up. You should know that. Or would you expect a soldier to refuse on "moral" grounds? Or "Because my conscience wont let me"?
Try running that by those convicted of war crimes because they were "just following orders." It doesn't fly, and your willingness to approve of criminality under color of authority does not speak well for you.
I repeat -- If what you're willing to give when you sign up for that paycheck includes blind allegiance to the exclusion of your conscience and your personal integrity, you'd only disgrace any uniform of the United States of America.
Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
2000 feet is INSANE. That is worth getting shot down.
Originally posted by: loki8481
this sounds like an occasion to sit down, hold hands, and have a sharing circle with Putin.
Originally posted by: Dari
Just because that c**ksucker Putin is flushed with petrodollars, he thinks he can keep doing this shit without retribution? It's almost as if they have a death wish. Next time, we should just send a missile their away and call it a "mistake".
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/...sian.planes/index.html
U.S. jets escort Russian bombers off Alaska coast
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two U.S. Air Force F-15s escorted two Russian Bear long-range bombers out of an air exclusion zone off the coast of Alaska, U.S. military officials said Wednesday.
U.S. radar picked up the Russian turbo-prop Tupolev-95 planes about 500 miles off the Alaska coast.
The U.S. fighters from Elmendorf Air Force Base were dispatched to meet the bombers and escorted them out of the area without incident, the officials said.
The United States maintains the air exclusion zone off the coast of Alaska, barring unidentified aircraft or aircraft that don't file flight plans inside that area.
The last case of Russian aircraft approaching the U.S. coastline or ships in the Pacific was in February.
Then, four Bear bombers flew near the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, with one of them flying about 2,000 feet from the Nimitz's deck.
Russia's Defense Ministry said at the time there was no violation of flight regulations during the incident. A ministry official described the flights as standard operating procedure for air force training.
Meanwhile, U.S. military officials say the incidents are not a concern. They say it's the Russian military flexing its ability and presence.
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: loki8481
this sounds like an occasion to sit down, hold hands, and have a sharing circle with Putin.
you forgot "create an open dialog"
Originally posted by: Dari
Just because that c**ksucker Putin is flushed with petrodollars, he thinks he can keep doing this shit without retribution? It's almost as if they have a death wish. Next time, we should just send a missile their away and call it a "mistake".
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/...sian.planes/index.html
U.S. jets escort Russian bombers off Alaska coast
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two U.S. Air Force F-15s escorted two Russian Bear long-range bombers out of an air exclusion zone off the coast of Alaska, U.S. military officials said Wednesday.
U.S. radar picked up the Russian turbo-prop Tupolev-95 planes about 500 miles off the Alaska coast.
The U.S. fighters from Elmendorf Air Force Base were dispatched to meet the bombers and escorted them out of the area without incident, the officials said.
The United States maintains the air exclusion zone off the coast of Alaska, barring unidentified aircraft or aircraft that don't file flight plans inside that area.
The last case of Russian aircraft approaching the U.S. coastline or ships in the Pacific was in February.
Then, four Bear bombers flew near the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, with one of them flying about 2,000 feet from the Nimitz's deck.
Russia's Defense Ministry said at the time there was no violation of flight regulations during the incident. A ministry official described the flights as standard operating procedure for air force training.
Meanwhile, U.S. military officials say the incidents are not a concern. They say it's the Russian military flexing its ability and presence.
Originally posted by: Braznor
Heck, its not like America didn't piss the Russians by extending NATO right to her borders inspite of Putin's displeasure. This is Putin's way of upping the game plan. He wants you to shoot the bomber down so that the cold war can be resumed openly in Eastern Europe.
But don't let common sense stop you cowboys though.