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FX5800 or TI4600(4800)??

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Tocca

Junior Member
I'm looking to buy a new videocard, the FX5800Ultra is a bit to expensive so i'm choosing between
the FX5800 and a TI4600 (or TI4800).
I haven't found any comparison between the FX5800 and the TI4600 so i have no idea if it's
worth the extra $100 for the FX5800?
Is there someone who could shed some light on this?

I'm willing to pay the extra $100 if there's a noticable difference, my guess it that the biggest
difference will be in new, or even future, games.
From what i've read, the FX5800Ultra is not much faster than the FX5800 when you play without
using Anti-Aliasing/Anisotropic filtering. But with FSAA and AF enabled there's a substansive
difference...

Thomas.

My system:
P4 2.2
512mb RAM
SB Audigy2 (soon) 🙂
Win XP

PS. I know that the 9700Pro is a very good contender, but i'm not interested in ATI... (It's a looong story).
 
The 5800 Ultra is clocked at 500 core and 500 memory with a memory bandwidth of 16GB/second. The standard 5800 is clocked at 400 core and 400 memory for a fillrate of 1.6 gigapixels and 3.2 gigatexels and has a memory bandwidth of 12.8GB/second. The GeForce4-Ti4600 has a fillrate of 1.3 gigapixels and 2.6 gigatexels and has a memory bandwidth of 10.4GB/second. Also, the GeForce4-Ti4600 is a DirectX 8 card whilst the 5800/Ultra is a DirectX 9 card.

The 5800 is going to be somewhat faster (about 50% faster) than a GeForce4-Ti4600. If you can get a 5800 for a little more than a Ti4600 than go for it!🙂
 
Ok, thanks...
I can get the TI4600 for about $320...the FX5800 is $420 and the FX5800Ultra is $570
The Ultra is too much imo, but the $100 difference between the TI4600 and FX5800 is... within reach...

Thomas.
 
Hmm, one thing i've missed when reading the reviews of the FX5800, that i just found out, is the noice!
It seems like the fan is quite noisy, best would probably be to hear it in action and then take stand...
But i don't like noisy computers, i often use it late at nights when others in the house are asleep.

Has anyone here heard it in reality? Is it very noisy?

Thomas.
 
Why not even consider ATI? i guess you must be damn commited to nvidia. They have the Radeon 9800 coming out in a few weeks which should knock down prices of the 9700 and 9500's.
 
Originally posted by: Tocca
Hmm, one thing i've missed when reading the reviews of the FX5800, that i just found out, is the noice!
It seems like the fan is quite noisy, best would probably be to hear it in action and then take stand...
But i don't like noisy computers, i often use it late at nights when others in the house are asleep.

Has anyone here heard it in reality? Is it very noisy?

Thomas.
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You can

Check out the noise action here about halfway down the page I don't think anyone in your house is going to be very happy sleeping if your playing 2k3. 🙂 Supposidly the Vendors are supposed to be making quiter soloutions for there cards though.
 
The 4600 should only be around $200-250, tops. You can get a Radeon 9700 Pro for around $300, which is similar in performance to the FX5800 Ultra.

 
Originally posted by: Tocca
Hmm, one thing i've missed when reading the reviews of the FX5800, that i just found out, is the noice!
It seems like the fan is quite noisy, best would probably be to hear it in action and then take stand...
But i don't like noisy computers, i often use it late at nights when others in the house are asleep.

Has anyone here heard it in reality? Is it very noisy?

Thomas.
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Click here
GeForceFX 3D Performance Mode. A 3D application starts up, and then we go back to the desktop (i.e., 3D Mark starts and ends). The card switches to 3D Performance Mode, and the fan increases its rotation speed. Afterwards, it slowly reduces speed when returning to 2D Desktop Mode.
 
also check out this preview at beyond3d were you will see that the fx has an issue of downclocking itself in the middle of 3d applications due to overheating. also not that while it does preform beter than the 4600 in many respects it also lags behind it in others. if refuse to get an ati card i realy recomend you just save yourself some cash and get one of the faster/nicer ti4200 cards that will overclock to near ti4600 levels and give you good preformace and a good price.
 
I've listened to that mp3 with the FX spinning up earlier, it sound horrible but since you don't have anything to compare it with
(i.e background sound of someone talking or something) it's very hard to know the actual noicelevel...
I'll have to try it out in the store first.

ATI and me? Well here's a short version of the story:
One and a half year ago i was about to buy a Geforce3, but i heard so much good about the coming ATI Radeon 8500 that i
decided to wait for it and buy that instead. (This was in September 2001).
I got the card in October and soon found out that there were numerous problems. A couple of games didn't start at all
(Colin McRae2 is one i remember) and lots of games that did start had graphic problems...
I read that the drivers weren't good at that point, but new drivers would be out "very soon" that would sort things.
(As well as enabling trueform, which didn't work on the card on release).

Time went, i don't remember exactly when the new drivers arrived but it was a loooong wait!
What do i find... Nothing changed! Same problems existed and trueform still didn't work!
(I tried all drivers during this period, official and betas, nothing worked ok)

I had already been in contact with ATI support a couple of times, without getting any help, so i was beginning to despair.
I decided to return the card and get something else...
It was now the problems started... The store where i bought the card didn't accept anything but broken PC hardware.
But since they understood my situation, they contacted ATI for me.
He gave me a mailadress so i could talk to someone in ATI myself, which i did. Nothing happened for a long time
and when i finally got an answer they wanted me to mail them and specify my problems!
(I had already done that about 25 times or so).

At this point or so, i bought a Geforce3 even though i still didn't know if i would be able to return the 8500.
(The Geforce has worked flawless ever since btw)
I used an old Voodoo2 card from December to February, and was fed up with everything.
Suddenly i get a mail saying that it must be my hardware configuration or faulty hardware that causes all this,
the ATI card was perfectly ok. No return.
He said that my problem was an exception, no one else had any problems with their 8500 so it must be
my PC... I mailed him a link to the Rage3D forums technical support section for 8500 and told him
to have a look at the thousands of complaints there! I didn't get a reply...

I contacted the store again, and he got REAL mad with them and said he would handle this himself.

Finally, in the second half of March, he called and said that i could bring the card in and i'd get my money.

(I haven't told you about the numerous mails telling me to download new drivers, which i've already told them
i had done. Or the mails asking for my system specs, which i also had told lots of times.
The first THREE mails i recieved was standard replies, telling me to do things i had already told them didn't work)
.............

I know that ATI is better today, the drivers are supposed to work very well. But i'm not very keen on getting
another ATI card after this.
I have never had any hardware that caused me so much problems as the 8500, i have never seen so bad
support and i have never had so much problems returning something faulty...

I know i had lots of bad luck, and maybe i should've checked the returnpolicy of the store beforehand.
That would've saved me lots of headache... But it doesn't take away the extremely poor support i got
from ATI.

It's a pity, the 9700 sounds like a great card and i would probably have bought it if it weren't for all this.

Thomas.
 
that seems like an odd rational to me. i mean it comes off like someone saying "i will not buy a p4 because i bough a p3 1.13ghz and those turned out to be defective which Intel took over a month to even acknowledge and months more to resolve." i mean we all know there were issues with the 8500 early on but i don't see why that makes it a good idea to pass up a tried and ture product like the 9700pro. granted, you should do whatever you feel best, i just figured i should point that out.
 
Well, if it were only for the actual problems with the 8500 i wouldn't hesitate.
The 9700 is a whole different card, and judging it by how the 8500 performed is stupid.
But, my main problem is the lack of support! If i were to buy a 9700 and it didn't work ok
i'd be relying on ATI support again. Is the support better now? I have no idea...
Let me put it like this, ATI support needs to be 500% better than what i recieved until
i can call it fair and 1000% better to be good...

But, i'll do some checkup. If it seems people are getting good support and if the GeforceFX is
as loud as the .mpg suggests, i might actually consider it.
Didn't think the day would come, a year ago i said to myself "Not a chance i'll ever get another ATI
product".
Still, we all want the best. And the 9700 seems to be the best...
I don't know, i'm not happy about buying it...

Thomas.
 
well ya i had a cold boot issue with my ati 9700pro and they were on the ball with trying to help me though it. turns out it was the motherboards fault but all the same i found them very freindly and helpful; they offered to send me a replacement to try and told me that they would work to get my money back from the retailer if i prefered as well. so they get a grade A rateing from me. however, if you still don't want to worry about an issue with ati support becuase of a bad experiance, you do have the option of buying a card from one of many manufatures who produce ati chipset based cards.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
however, if you still don't want to worry about an issue with ati support becuase of a bad experiance, you do have the option of buying a card from one of many manufatures who produce ati chipset based cards.
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That's a thought... Didn't think of that, i'll have to check which manufacterers use the ATI chipset.
It might be that i end up worse though, you'll never know...
Well, thanks for all your help guys. I didn't mean for this to end up as a ATI-support flamepost, sorry if it
went that way...
I'm not convinced, let's say i've gone from "no way i'm buying ATI" to "i might consider it".


Thomas.

 
According to 90% of people, ATi have at least improved, even if they're not the best people ever.
If you want good performance and a not too expensive card, then an ATi card would be best, since the 9700PRO outperforms the GF FX non-Ultra and is about the same price, and soon will drop due to the imminent introduction of new cards.
I had a problem with a TNT2-M64 that kept locking up, I think due to poor cooling, but that didn't make me not buy nVidia again, and the card wasn't overclocked, nothing in that system was, now I have a GF4 in a different machine.
Don't go on the past and one bad experience, sometimes things happen, but then things change.
BUY ATi!
 
these things sure like to cost a lot
pretty soon the top of the line cards are gonna start coming out at 500 and 550 bucks
I say 300 is as far as I go
heck 200....
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo

I had a problem with a TNT2-M64 that kept locking up, I think due to poor cooling, but that didn't make me not buy nVidia again, and the card wasn't overclocked, nothing in that system was, now I have a GF4 in a different machine.
Don't go on the past and one bad experience, sometimes things happen, but then things change.
BUY ATi!
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That's a totally different thing!
My not wanting to buy ATI has nothing to do with the fact that my 8500 wasn't working properly...
It's all about the poor support and lousy treatment i recieved from them!

I'm not resentful.
If i knew that the support was much better, i'd go buy it today!! But i don't, and i won't...

I am considering buying a 9700 card anyway, if i buy for example a Hercules 3D Prophet 9700Pro
i'd be using Hercules support if necessary...not ATIs support.

If you buy a car and get really lousy service, you'll have to wait weeks just to get answers on
questions (and the answers are useless) and if you have a problem no one helps you. Would you still buy that brand??
Not me, not until i know that their service has improved...

I have heard that ATI has improved, in many ways. But on the other hand, i heard exactly the same thing
before i bought my 8500! The only thing i can base this on, is my own experience...

I hope they have improved (and i think they have) , partly because i think it's good with a contender to Nvidia and
partly because they have had a rough time and deservs to do well imo.

Thomas.


 
I've listened to that mp3 with the FX spinning up earlier, it sound horrible but since you don't have anything to compare it with
(i.e background sound of someone talking or something) it's very hard to know the actual noicelevel...
I'll have to try it out in the store first
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That thing is like 70 dB, about the same as a household vacuum cleaner. For the life of me, I can't imagine what nV was thinking when they designed it. It is a complete joke. I would not even consider for a moment putting something that noisy in my PC. I could care lees how it performs, or doesn't. The noise factor makes it DOA right out of the gate.
 
70DB!!?? :Q
That sounds like a number for a carengine or something...
I agree, it doesn't matter how good it is. 70DB is simply to much...
I did read that Nvidia was working on a way to reduce the noicelevel for the
release, but it sounds like they need a different fan-system all together...

Thomas.
 
just a little FYI...each brand will have a different fan/heatsink so noise level on the refference card does not matter so why talk about it?

 
Has anyone seen a different cooling setup yet? The EVGA cards on Newegg had the same dustbuster that the nV ref card uses.
 
Haven't seen any other solutions yet, but i'll keep an eye open.
The idea to have air-intake /exhaust on the back of the card, is great. Atleast in theory...
Let's hope a more silent version will come.
And new drivers... Somehow it feels like the FX should perform better, judging by the specs...
Time will tell.

Thomas.
 
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