FX5600 vs Ti4200

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ZippyDan

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i returned a Ti4200 8x 128MB card because it was broken

they sent me an FX 5600 as a replacement

how do these cards compare?

checking the review on the 5600 Ultra here at Anandtech, I see the 4200 managing to pull out the lead most of the time... and the card I was sent isn't even an Ultra

even worse, the sticker on the card says FX5600-XT-64Bit. i was under the impression that the standard 5600 had a 128Bit memory pipe. I'm not sure if I'm right and I'm not sure if thats what the label is referring to... but if it is, is this in essence a crippled 5600?

should i make a fuss?

~Zippy!
 
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Schadenfroh

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please lord tell me that thing does not have a 64bit memory bus, if so, you got ripped plus if its a non ultra, then you got riped alos.
 
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ZippyDan

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ugh. after some google searching i was able to find this one rare helpful reference to my card

http://www.ixbt-labs.com/articles2/gffx/nv38-36.html/nv38-36.html

it basically says that the XT is a LOWER CLOCKED version of the 5600 (meant to compete with ATI's SE cards... talk about classification confusion. NVXT = ATISE, NVUltra = ATIPro, NV?? = ATIXT), and that 64bit memory versions of the XT would be available

so a 5600 ULTRA barely competes with a Ti4200 (so is my impression)

they send me a 5600, which is worse than an ULTRA
they send me a 5600XT, which is an underclocked 5600
they send me a 5600XT 64bit memory bus, which is a crippled 5600XT

ill be making some phone calls tomorrow :/

going to give them the initial benefit of the doubt though, and assume they dont know jack about vid cards and thought they were giving me an upgrade

just as a note, i was expecting a replacement GF4... i didnt agree to this 'upgrade'

~Zippy!
 
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Pete

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Yep, they ripped you off. If they can't scrape up a GF4 Ti of some kind (4200/4400/4600/4800SE/4800), then ask for a 5700 Ultra, 5600 Ultra, or (regular) 5700 (in that order).

Edit: Forgot to ask, what company bungled this RMA?
 
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OinkBoink

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all the Ti's(including the Ti4200) are more powerful than the FX5200,5200ultra,5600,5600ultra.the 5700ultra is a worthy successor to the Ti4200
 
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Blackroot

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Originally posted by: nikhilesh
all the Ti's(including the Ti4200) are more powerful than the FX5200,5200ultra,5600,5600ultra.the 5700ultra is a worthy successor to the Ti4200
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definatly not true there bud
 
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It is true !!! but he also said the FX5700 ultra was a good replacement !!! ... the other are not !!
 
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modedepe

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Originally posted by: nikhilesh
all the Ti's(including the Ti4200) are more powerful than the FX5200,5200ultra,5600,5600ultra.the 5700ultra is a worthy successor to the Ti4200
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Not true. The fx5600 ultra revision 2 will be faster than a ti4200 in all cases. Some others will be faster in certain cirumstances, such as with aa/af enabled.
 
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OinkBoink

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Originally posted by: modedepe

Not true. The fx5600 ultra revision 2 will be faster than a ti4200 in all cases. Some others will be faster in certain cirumstances, such as with aa/af enabled.
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i never mentioned a revised edition of the FX5600 ultra.all im sayin' is that the guy must get a FX5700 ultra instead of the FX5600 or atleast the FX5600 ultra.the FX's are not of the Ti caliber(except after the FX5600 ultra).anyways what's the Ti4200's brand.if its ASUS or MSI then he should definately get an FX5700 ultra.and by the way i heard that the R420 and the NV40 are going to come out in two versions one is the AGP8x version and the other will be of a new slot called the PCI-X which will be an all together new era of the next generation of high bandwidth slots. good to see new technology.

 
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Pete

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He doesn't deserve a better card as an RMA, but he doesn't deserve one so much slower. Honestly, I think a 5900 Value is comparable to a 4200, but a 5700U is close enough. The problem is the latter is new, so it's probably a bit expensive for everyone.
 
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Originally posted by: Pete
He doesn't deserve a better card as an RMA, but he doesn't deserve one so much slower. Honestly, I think a 5900 Value is comparable to a 4200, but a 5700U is close enough. The problem is the latter is new, so it's probably a bit expensive for everyone.
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are you insane?
 
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Originally posted by: nikhilesh
and by the way i heard that the R420 and the NV40 are going to come out in two versions one is the AGP8x version and the other will be of a new slot called the PCI-X which will be an all together new era of the next generation of high bandwidth slots.
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Perhaps a PCI Express version, but definitely not a PCI-X version.
 
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modedepe

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Originally posted by: Pete
He doesn't deserve a better card as an RMA, but he doesn't deserve one so much slower. Honestly, I think a 5900 Value is comparable to a 4200, but a 5700U is close enough. The problem is the latter is new, so it's probably a bit expensive for everyone.
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I'd say a 5900 is not really at all comparable to a ti4200, though the guy probably deserves one just cause they've been jerking him around. He might wind up with a fx5600 ultra, maybe a 5700 is he's lucky.
 
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OinkBoink

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Originally posted by: Blackroot
Originally posted by: nikhilesh
all the Ti's(including the Ti4200) are more powerful than the FX5200,5200ultra,5600,5600ultra.the 5700ultra is a worthy successor to the Ti4200
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definatly not true there bud
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it is true there bud.
 
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Pete

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I meant generationally. The 4200 was the low end of the high end when it came out, just as the 5900V is the low end of the high end now. I suppose the 5700U is a slightly slower 5900V and thus more appropriate, but it's physically different from the 5900V. You could OC a 4200 and basically transform your card into a 4400 or 4600, whereas the 5700U will always be a few pipelines and shaders shy of a 5900.

I may be getting a little carried away with the analogy, as the time of the GF4 saw only a low and high end chip, whereas now we see three different chips for low, mid, and high end. In principle, though, I think a 4200 is closer to a 5900V than to a 5700U. In reality, I guess it's a toss up.
 
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batmanuel

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Originally posted by: Pete
I meant generationally. The 4200 was the low end of the high end when it came out, just as the 5900V is the low end of the high end now. I suppose the 5700U is a slightly slower 5900V and thus more appropriate, but it's physically different from the 5900V. You could OC a 4200 and basically transform your card into a 4400 or 4600, whereas the 5700U will always be a few pipelines and shaders shy of a 5900.

I may be getting a little carried away with the analogy, as the time of the GF4 saw only a low and high end chip, whereas now we see three different chips for low, mid, and high end. In principle, though, I think a 4200 is closer to a 5900V than to a 5700U. In reality, I guess it's a toss up.
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I'd tend to agree. The 5200/5600 series is basically equivalent to the GF4MX series (and they are pretty much being sold as such, since OfficeMax is starting to carry the plain GFFX5200 as a replacement for the GF4MX that they have been carrying as their token add in video cards), while the 5900 is more akin to the Ti series, generationally speaking. The 5700U is somewhere in between the two classes of cards, probably because ATi is selling pipeline-crippled versions of their cards. Sure, the GFFXes are ALL somewhat DX9 compliant, but performance-wise, they break down about the same as the old lineup did.

I'd definitely bitch if I were you. I'm also curious about who did this to you. Hope it wasn't PNY, since I have one of their 4200 Ti's. I got it on the BB closeout (even got one of the boxes with the extra treat of 128MB of memory and 8X AGP inside) so I really can't complain if I do get similarly screwed on an RMA, though.
 
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