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FX 5800 vs. 9500 PRO

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InternetOwl

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I have the oppurtunity to switch my sapphire Radeon 9500 PRO with an nVidia FX 5800 (non-ultra). Do people here think this would be worth while or should I just stick with my 9500 PRO. Wouldn't the 5800 still be faster by a bit than my 9500 PRO?😕
 
no.... stick with the 9500 pro.. 5800's are friggin leaf blowers... loud.. obnoxious, not much performance. Overclock your 9500 😀
 
The fx5800 would probably be a little faster indeed in some current games and in older ones. In dx9 games the 9500 pro will probably be a little faster. As for the 5800 being a leaf blower that's not true. It was only the 5800 ultra that had the huge cooler on it.
 
Originally posted by: modedepe
The fx5800 would probably be a little faster indeed in some current games and in older ones. In dx9 games the 9500 pro will probably be a little faster. As for the 5800 being a leaf blower that's not true. It was only the 5800 ultra that had the huge cooler on it.
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Yup, and with the latest drivers, the 5800 non ultra would probably stomp on the 9500pro in most cases.

 
Hmmm. 3 weeks ago you said you had a 5800, sort of a contradiction here saying you want to trade for one.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1208347&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
I own an Asus V9900 FX 5800 (non-ultra) card, and was wondering if there is anyway I can find out the rated speed of the RAM on my card without removing the heatsink with covers the RAM.
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Anyway, a 5800 NU at stock speeds will almost always be faster than a 9500 Pro, except at some AA/AF settings neither card is really powerful enough to run well.

UT2003 5800 85fps 9500P 69fps

BF1942 5800 170fps 9500P 154 fps

Halo 5800P 43fps 9500P 38fps

UT2003 4X8X 5800 45fps 9500P 46fps

Etc.

Anyway, these cards perform so close to equal it's not worth the trade. (and you have better AA quality) The 5800 wins all non AA/AF benches, loses by indiscernible difference on a lot of AA/AF settings.
 
"Hmmm. 3 weeks ago you said you had a 5800, sort of a contradiction here saying you want to trade for one.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1208347&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

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GOOD ONE ROLLO (JOE) ! That's a good memory you have.
I heard 9500 pro's are very good overclockers and if I'm correct aren't the 5800 fx really hot already because after 9700 pro came out nvidia tried to rush it out to the market and tried to stretch their 5800fx to the max ?isn't that why they can't overclock very well?

 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Hmmm. 3 weeks ago you said you had a 5800, sort of a contradiction here saying you want to trade for one.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1208347&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
I own an Asus V9900 FX 5800 (non-ultra) card, and was wondering if there is anyway I can find out the rated speed of the RAM on my card without removing the heatsink with covers the RAM.
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Anyway, a 5800 NU at stock speeds will almost always be faster than a 9500 Pro, except at some AA/AF settings neither card is really powerful enough to run well.

UT2003 5800 85fps 9500P 69fps

BF1942 5800 170fps 9500P 154 fps

Halo 5800P 43fps 9500P 38fps

UT2003 4X8X 5800 45fps 9500P 46fps

Etc.

Anyway, these cards perform so close to equal it's not worth the trade. (and you have better AA quality) The 5800 wins all non AA/AF benches, loses by indiscernible difference on a lot of AA/AF settings.
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PWNED! haha stomped by rollo!
 
no.... stick with the 9500 pro.. 5800's are friggin leaf blowers... loud.. obnoxious, not much performance. Overclock your 9500
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It was only the Ultra model.

Judging from VGA Charts III, the 5800 is quicker than the 5900 in most tests, and that is quicker than the 9500 Pro.
 
and if I'm correct aren't the 5800 fx really hot already because after 9700 pro came out nvidia tried to rush it out to the market and tried to stretch their 5800fx to the max ?isn't that why they can't overclock very well?
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You'd be incorrect about that Cindy.
The 5800fx is on .13micron silicon, whereas the 9500 is on .15 micron, and the fx had DDR2 RAM. I had a 5800fx, stock speed 400/800MHz. nVidia had an OC utility built into the drivers that tested the highest safe speed you could run at, mine was 500/1007MHz*. I could link you to 4 reviews where they found the same thing, that they OC stable to Ultra speed. At that speed it was pretty close to a 9700Pro in performance. At stock speed it was between a 9700NP and 9700P.
The hsf on those was like the ones on 5900s, not the loud one they put on 5800Us.

The 5800s were pretty good cards, in no way deserving of the disowning they got by nVidia. The only real stones you could throw at them were the loud fan on the Ultras (which not all vendors used, eg, Gainward) and the drivers weren't ready yet when they were launched. Performance has gone up considerably with subsequent revisions.

*BTW These were the first SAFE cards to OC. The drivers had a built in feature that turned back the clock speed if the chip got too hot.
 
=(... i thought NU and U had same fans... DONT LISTEN TO ME!
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Some of them did, but after the initial thrashing of the FX, most companies started selling a new version of the non-ultra that I think were all made by the same company. Here's what they all looked like:
Notice how they look almost exactly like a reference 5900?

Anyway, it wasn't a bad card, it just wasn't as good as the 9700s. The much higher clock speeds couldn't overcome the 128 bit memory, so they were always slower than the 9700s in high AA/AF settings. At Ultra speeds it was close enough to even not to care too much.
 
The InternetOwl is indeed a interesting bird. I saw him posting the same thing over on Rage 3d, so I checked if he had ever posted that he had a 5800 there, and look what I found:
6/21/03 the Owl has purchased a 9500P
I just upgraded my video card from a GF 4 Ti4200 128MB card to a Radeon 9500 PRO 128MB card for about $60 less Canadian then what they are asking for a 9600 PRO retail. I would have liked to stick with nVidia but the 5600's just are not good enough in my opion, and the Ultra's are too expensive.
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but:
12/30/03 he's wondering if it's still worth buying the card he's supposedly been using for 6 months
I was wondering if it is still worth getting a 9500 PRO if they can be found at a similar price point to the 9600 XT's. Do the extra pipelines and shaders still help it out or does its low mem and core speeds make it the poorer choice now days with the newer cards out.
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Odd.
 
Originally posted by: InternetOwl
I have the oppurtunity to switch my sapphire Radeon 9500 PRO with an nVidia FX 5800 (non-ultra). Do people here think this would be worth while or should I just stick with my 9500 PRO. Wouldn't the 5800 still be faster by a bit than my 9500 PRO?😕
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Keep the 9500pro and save those penny's for the new stuff thats coming this year....hopefully Nvidia will will forget about NV3x and its bad DX9 performance and Image Quality issues and brin something totally kick ass.

over clock your 9500 in the mean time.........ive got mine and 9700pro speeds and the card is totally stock, and it runs fine with about 4000 3DMark 2003 points.

save your money man, and then buy something real slick
 
hahah im a total SPUTZ i see u wanna trade not buy.....what a fool i am.

well its 6 and two 3's really each has its pros and cons, dont think u'd see much performance incrrease.....specially in DX9 games
 
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