Future Proofing in a Nutshell

Chosonman

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I think what most novices don't realize is that computer building is a game just like everything else. And you have to play it smart just like any other game.
The aim is not to see who can spend the most money, but to get the best performing system for yourself, then be able to keep up with changing technology while keeping as much money in your pockets for future upgrades.

The problem with novices is that they think spending all their money now will ensure they can keep up with changing technology in the future. So called "FUTURE PROOFING" has never worked in the past and will never work in the future. Why is that? Because the companies that make these parts don't want you to be able to upgrade. Why might they feel this way? Because they make more money if consumers constantly have to change their configurations and purchase brand new parts. In other words reusable parts are detrimental to the bottom line.

The only recent acception to this model is AMD's introduction of the dual core processor to the socket 939 family of chips. But rest assured this next batch of new chips to the 939 family will likely be the last major upgrade AMD will allow. Soon AMD will introduce the next generation of sockets for their CPU's and just as people said 3 months ago about the socket 939 chip, they will swear that the new sockets will be the wave of the future and the end all to all future upgrades... wishfull thinking.

This article is not directed at those individuals who could care less if they spent $15 day for lunch at the local cafe. For vast majority of us who see building computers as a hobby the best advice I can give is to play the game smart. Buy the best performing system you can afford right now regardless of anyone says about the future because no one can predict the future. In all seriousness, most systems now are very capable of last 3-4 years without need for upgrade. Just looking back at the first generation of Pentium 4 systems and how they compare with todays systems. Most likely you will not want to upgrade for at least 2-3 years provided you have an adequate system right now. The only upgrade that is recommended during this time might be the graphics card and the hard drive because the graphics card is the fastest piece of hardware to fall victim to newer technology and the hard drive has always been reusable. Any other improvements made before this time will improve performance minimally at best, unless you sink a lot of money into the upgrades.

To get a better picture of what the comparison would look like I created 2 models.
Based on a performance scale of 1%-100% the model for this comparison would look like this:

System Model A
$700 (current system) at 95% performance => $700 (future system) 95% performance

vs.

System Model B
$1500 (current system) at 100% performance => $400 (upgrade) 95% performance

This model looks at the comparison between two types of computer systems. System A is a based on building a moderate performance now and building an entirely new one later system and System B is building a high performance (upgradable) now and upgrading the same system later.

As you can see the total cost for System A would be about $1400 after second generation upgrades. Whereas System B would cost roughly $500 more at $1900 with roughly about the same performance level. However there are other drawbacks that need to be mentioned for this comparison. One is that System B would be using older parts as a backbone for the future, this would mean, less or no warranty of parts, older system design which could lead to the need to buy outdated upgrade parts pieces, and no ability to upgrade beyond generation 2.

On the otherhand because System A is new and would use all factory new parts with new warranty. Have the ability to upgrade in the future if necessary and incorporate all new innovations made since last generation system. In addition, System A owners would also own a fully capable second system that would not have to be broken up and sold for parts in order to make room for upgrades.

So as you can see. There is no advantage in "future proofing" because the concept is non existant in the world of system building. If you are a novice, please take a word of advice. Don't listen to people who tell you how you should spend your hard earned money on something they want. You should get the best performance right now and worry about upgrading when the time comes. Unlike retirement funds and 401Ks you will not save any more money by planning for the future.
 
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There's no such thing as future-proofing.
In the future, you don't know what they're going to do. Maybe quantum computers?
 

Kabouter

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Yup agree with this, I usually go by:
-I upgrade (or buy a new PC depending on how much parts are outdated) when I feel my current PC is too outdated

-I check to see what budget I have and which things are sensible to spend money on (For instance, SLI is useless because most mid to high-end cards can run all current games and most in the near future at near-max settings. And the increase in image quality you get doesn't justify the extreme costs accompanied by it) SLI is also stupid in that noone is going to buy the exact same card 2 years from now to increase their performance as there will be cards by then with newer technology and options.

-Future proofing is indeed useless, there is ALWAYS something changing. If it's not PCI-e, it's DDR2, BTX, the latest socket or a number of other things. Just buy when you need it and buy the performance you feel you need, don't spend anything on future proofing. Most people who have the money to spend on 'future proofing' will always be tempted to go for the latest and greatest anyway.

 

ixelion

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I agree with the SLI stuff, but you must admit there is SOME degree of futureproofing, for example if you had to but a athlon 64 754 or a 939 at the same price, but 1 year from now you can get a dual core X2 that wont fit in a 754 then which one would you buy?

This only does so far however obviously many of us will skip dual core and get whatever comes after (i.e. dual mem controller X2) in which case it wont matter 939 or 754 as neither would accomodate.

Also some people upgrade becuase they dont have the money for a whole new system :p
 

Kabouter

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Originally posted by: ixelion
I agree with the SLI stuff, but you must admit there is SOME degree of futureproofing, for example if you had to but a athlon 64 754 or a 939 at the same price, but 1 year from now you can get a dual core X2 that wont fit in a 754 then which one would you buy?

This only does so far however obviously many of us will skip dual core and get whatever comes after (i.e. dual mem controller X2) in which case it wont matter 939 or 754 as neither would accomodate.

Also some people upgrade becuase they dont have the money for a whole new system :p

Well the people that will actually make use of the dual core capability early on (aside from bragging rights) won't be looking at S754 or S939 now anyway. They'll probably be looking at a dual-opteron solution (S940)

Games and the like won't support the dual core processors initially and even if some do it will only be a small amount. For the average user there is certainly no cause to stray away from trusty single-core processors for the next 2 years (at the very least) and by that time you'll want a new motherboard with new features anyway.
 

wallsfd949

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I've been trying to stay current enough to work well, but far enough behind that I don't spend a fortune.

Current desktop is 2-3 years old :
P4 2.533, 1GB PC2700, DVD +/- RW, 2x120GB 7200, Nvidia GeForce4 MX440 - 128.

I added a 3x160GB Raid 0 to store the massive amount of home vids for Premiere Pro.

I find that it does just well for everyday tasks and performs fine for the amount of video editing I do. While this may not be the best decision, I plan on upgrading in phases. A Dell 2001 or 2401FPW will soon replace the aging 17" Analog LCD. The next step (6-12 mo) will be Mobo/Proc/Graphics card. Since PATA is still included on most (if not all) motherboards, I can still use what drives I have.

I don't game so this would probably all change if I did so.
 
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Originally posted by: wallsfd949
I've been trying to stay current enough to work well, but far enough behind that I don't spend a fortune.

Current desktop is 2-3 years old :
P4 2.533, 1GB PC2700, DVD +/- RW, 2x120GB 7200, Nvidia GeForce4 MX440 - 128.

I added a 3x160GB Raid 0 to store the massive amount of home vids for Premiere Pro.

I find that it does just well for everyday tasks and performs fine for the amount of video editing I do. While this may not be the best decision, I plan on upgrading in phases. A Dell 2001 or 2401FPW will soon replace the aging 17" Analog LCD. The next step (6-12 mo) will be Mobo/Proc/Graphics card. Since PATA is still included on most (if not all) motherboards, I can still use what drives I have.

I don't game so this would probably all change if I did so.



not really too much, tho. the MX vid card has to go, i would dump it for a newer card, even without games.

if you plan on replacing the mobo, cpu and vid, i think you would be better off doing it all at once. save your pennies and pick efficient price/performance parts.
 

Chosonman

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Originally posted by: ixelion
I agree with the SLI stuff, but you must admit there is SOME degree of futureproofing, for example if you had to but a athlon 64 754 or a 939 at the same price, but 1 year from now you can get a dual core X2 that wont fit in a 754 then which one would you buy?

This only does so far however obviously many of us will skip dual core and get whatever comes after (i.e. dual mem controller X2) in which case it wont matter 939 or 754 as neither would accomodate.

Also some people upgrade becuase they dont have the money for a whole new system :p

If both processors are the same price then obviously the newer one would probably be the better option. But last I checked pricewatch.com an AMD 64 (754) CPU + Mobo was $154 shipped while a comparable 939 set was $214 so about a $60 difference. That money could be better spent on a higher class of graphics card such as upgrading a 6600GT to a 6800GT. (for a little extra money)
 

SGtheArtist

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In the future no one will 'Future Proof' because the slowest PCs will be so fast that it will perform well beyond their needs.

Only the military, government & scientists will fully utilize the capabilities of future computing power.

However, since this is an industry based on making money there will always be the push for the end users to buy the 'new' technology so that the company's make money.

In 100 yrs when your grandchildern buy a computer to do email, internet & office tasks. I'm sure the only option they will have is the 20xMulti AMD AAXP+ Processor with 512bit processing.

Will they ever in their life use the full capability of that kind of processing power? Even today most PC users do not fully use the capability of there PC's.

 

Oyeve

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I only upgrade if I get a really great game and it chokes at 1280x1024 (what I play most games at) and if it chokes I do some serious research as to what to buy and what technology is stable at the moment. I havent upgraded my current rig in nearly 2 years except the proc. So far everything is fast and smooth and running well. I assume I may not have to upgrade for at least another year. Too many mobo standards up in the air right now and vid cards are just outragiously priced right now. When PCIE, DDR2, whatever socket becomes the standard for a while, then I will upgrade. Probably when dual-core CPUS become standard.