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Fuel efficiency of windows rolled down vs. AC on (trip data)

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Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Mythbusters did a thing on this too.

same results: AC/windows down was less efficient

Mythbusters did the test only going 45 mph. I think that's below the leve wher eyou see the difference. THe faster you go, the more effect aerodynamics has. If they would have done the test at 70 mph, I think the results would have been different.

I've always been told, and I believe, that when city driving, windows open is better for gas mileage because you do a lot of speeding up and slowing down. However if you are cruising at one speed on the freeway (65+ mph) then I think the AC would be better because having windows down at that speed would cause a ton of drag and such.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: BCYL
I thought during city driving, windows down is more efficient

but on the highway, AC & windows down are basically the same since windows down creates drag

Anyone really give a fvck? My comfort is far more important than saving a couple pennies on gasoline.

Tell that to people who spend $5k+ on a Civic Hybrid and live with an anemic engine to get a few more miles per gallon 😛
 
Originally posted by: rh71
yeah but having the windows down gives you a fuct up hairstyle afterward. If you wear a hat, it just gives you hat hair. 🙁

Heh heh. As my other car is a convertible, this didn't bother me at all 🙂
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: BCYL
I thought during city driving, windows down is more efficient

but on the highway, AC & windows down are basically the same since windows down creates drag

Anyone really give a fvck? My comfort is far more important than saving a couple pennies on gasoline.

Mine too. If you read my posts on the subject, I'm the last person to care about gas mileage...

I did all of this for science...

Also, for the ladies 😉
 
Can't be a totally accurate test unless you drove the exact same stretch of road for both tests. For example: testing while going to the beach then doing the other when coming back.....you're driving uphill on the way back, so economy will obviously be different.

So wherever you were driving for 24 hrs, there's no way the terrain was the same the whole time, so that's a significant factor. And for no more difference than you came up with, I'm running the A/C regardless.
 
Originally posted by: skypilot
Originally posted by: David Brent
air conditioners draw the same power whether you have the temp all the way down or just down a little bit. the 9 degrees below outside temp is pointless, you're just wasting a lot of cooling power.

QFT

The A/C uses the same amount of engine power no matter which setting your cabin fan is on. The setting is just how fast some electrical fan pushes the readily available cold air into your face.
Nope. It's not the fan that's using the power....it's the compressor. And the compressor will run more if you have the fan turned up.
Edit: Read the thread and saw that 911 already nailed him on that wrongness. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: BCYL
I thought during city driving, windows down is more efficient

but on the highway, AC & windows down are basically the same since windows down creates drag

Anyone really give a fvck? My comfort is far more important than saving a couple pennies on gasoline.
That's what I'm talking about. Piss on a little extra gas. The heat/humidity combo in the Southeast is unmatched anywhere else in the country. I don't give a great big shlt about 21 miles to the gallon vs. me not sweating.

 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: BCYL
I thought during city driving, windows down is more efficient

but on the highway, AC & windows down are basically the same since windows down creates drag

Anyone really give a fvck? My comfort is far more important than saving a couple pennies on gasoline.
That's what I'm talking about. Piss on a little extra gas. The heat/humidity combo in the Southeast is unmatched anywhere else in the country. I don't give a great big shlt about 21 miles to the gallon vs. me not sweating.

Yeah, that's also been explained in the thread already. I, nor anyone, really care
 
The AC in my 96 Prelude needs re-gassing - so i've got no AC at the moment 🙁 So having to drive with the windows down, so I can't hear the engine properly (gotta love the sound of VTEC!)

Roll on Saturday when it's getting the AC regassed 😀

Hope ya had fun on the trip 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Aharami
hmm. was always under the assumption that driving at a constant speed with windows up and AC to 1st setting provides best gas mileage.

So I heard from all the places I visited/all the things I read until now.
But as my car has no A/C I can not test it for myself
 
Originally posted by: DingDingDao
From a quick glance at your data, it appears that the difference in fuel efficiency is not significant. While the averages are different, your range of values overlap a lot. It might be possible to bootstrap the data to see if it's significant (maybe try a 1- or 2-way ANOVA).

oh god that word brings back memories of last semester.
QUIET! QUIET YOU!

 
Originally posted by: Confused
The AC in my 96 Prelude needs re-gassing - so i've got no AC at the moment 🙁 So having to drive with the windows down, so I can't hear the engine properly (gotta love the sound of VTEC!)

Roll on Saturday when it's getting the AC regassed 😀

Hope ya had fun on the trip 🙂

No VTEC for my Prelude 🙁

Then again, I certainly get more than enough of it in my other Honda 🙂
 
this is all a plot by Al Qaeda to stifle the world's economy and jack up oil prices...
we oughtta smoke 'em out of their ratholes!
 
We all should switch to hydrogen fuel cell powered cars....then we will get great milage on cheap hydrogen!!!
 
Originally posted by: Jawo
We all should switch to hydrogen fuel cell powered cars....then we will get great milage on cheap hydrogen!!!


Yeah right. Have you ever studied economics in any capacity, or have any understanding of the market? If everyone switched to hydrogen tomorrow (if was even feasible) the demand would send the price of it through the roof. Anyone thinking alternative fuels will be any cheaper are kidding themselves, if they were they would have entered the market years ago. It is only because gas is expensive (relatively) now that these technoligies start to become feasible. Alternatives will not lower the price of energy....they will simply shift the control of resources away from the Middle East.
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Jawo
We all should switch to hydrogen fuel cell powered cars....then we will get great milage on cheap hydrogen!!!


Yeah right. Have you ever studied economics in any capacity, or have any understanding of the market? If everyone switched to hydrogen tomorrow (if was even feasible) the demand would send the price of it through the roof. Anyone thinking alternative fuels will be any cheaper are kidding themselves, if they were they would have entered the market years ago. It is only because gas is expensive (relatively) now that these technoligies start to become feasible. Alternatives will not lower the price of energy....they will simply shift the control of resources away from the Middle East.

Ronstang, I have studied economics, 2 years worth in college, I know the law of supply and demand and alot about how the international economy works. I have read the articles about how FDR/Truman sold us out to Saudi Arabia to ensure that we would have a continuous supply of oil. I recently wrote a 40 page paper on the topic and would beg to differ about most of your comments.

The fuel cell has been around for 150 years, believe it or not, but the problem has always been one of carrying enough fuel around in the tank to supply the fuel cell. With the recent rise of crude oil, the technology ahs only come into the limelight.....it has been around for decades, just not receiving any press. It is quite a sound technology, if it was not; Ford, DaimlerChrysler, GM, and virtually every other car manufacturer in the world have been pouring billions into hydrogen R&D.

Furthermore, in several documents, most notably the one from the nonbiased Rocky Mountain Institute, state, that hydrogen could be much cheaper than what we pay for gasoline currently. It kind of quickly gets very technical though.... so I will not fill up the message board too much more, but if you would like to read my paper, please PM me and I will send it to you. In the mean time I would recommend you check out the following sites that give feasible examples of how to roll out a hydrogen economy. In fact, some comparisons say that hydrogen can be transported cheaper than electricity can!

www.rmi.org
http://www.actransit.org/environment/hyroad_main.wu
http://www.ch2bc.org/

It was just meant as a joke, since hydrogen cars will not be around for at least 10-15 years.
 
Originally posted by: StevenYoo
Mythbusters did a thing on this too.
Episode 22: ...Then, worried about the price of gas? Tune in to Jamie and Adam's investigation into the most fuel-efficient way to keep cool in the car: turning on the air conditioning or opening the windows.
premiere: Nov. 10, 2004


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"<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=2156023&ClientType=Printable">With the windows closed on the highway, the vehicle's aerodynamics are improved as there is less drag on the vehicle, according to Frank Hampshire, AASA director of market research...

In city driving, you will see a slight fuel economy advantage by opening your windows, but the use of air conditioning at higher speeds can produce a fuel savings</a>"





 
Originally posted by: Aharami
hmm. was always under the assumption that driving at a constant speed with windows up and AC to 1st setting provides best gas mileage.

That's the exact same thing I did when I got my best tank ever in my 92 Civic LX sedan (1.5L, stick shift). I was driving through Wisconsin, cruise set at 68-71 most of the time (speed limit 65--traffic was smooth, but just heavy enough that I didn't bother passing many people as long as they were doing over 65). It was a sunny day in the mid-70s. The windows were up, and the AC was on, set to recirculate (or "MAX AC" on some cars 😉 ) with fan on low. I got 42 MPG with that tank of fuel. With that car, I usually got 36-39 on interstate highway trips, depending on the weather and how fast I drove.

My test was neither planned nor scientific; I just rolled up the windows so that I could enjoy the stereo <milton>"at a reasonable volume"</milton>, and adjusted the AC so that I remained comfy. I attribute my record mileage in that car to the coolness of the day (as I said, mid-70s), because the AC compressor disengaged at least 75% of the time.

One varaible with my 42 MPG tank-full was the state I filled the tank in. It's usually
Minnesota or Illinois--this time I filled up in Wisconsin, where AFAIK, ethanol is (or was) not required in its gasoline. Ethanol-free fuel could also account for my ~10% better than usual MPG. (In other words, my test is scientifically invalid. Also not repeatable, because that old Civic was totaled a few years ago.)
 
Originally posted by: skypilot
Originally posted by: David Brent
air conditioners draw the same power whether you have the temp all the way down or just down a little bit. the 9 degrees below outside temp is pointless, you're just wasting a lot of cooling power.

QFT

The A/C uses the same amount of engine power no matter which setting your cabin fan is on. The setting is just how fast some electrical fan pushes the readily available cold air into your face.

Guys, the compressor does cycle on and off. If it didn't, the evaporator coil would freeze up. A lower fan speed, and lower inside-outside temperature differential, equals less on-cycle time for the compressor, which equals less fuel used overall.

EDIT: I was way too late. :clock:

EDIT 2 while I'm here: I just use the AC whenever I sweat in the car. Damn the fuel mileage--I'd rather be comfortable and dry.
 
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