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Fuel economy rant: IMO they're doing it wrong

Zap

Elite Member
(I originally wrote this for another, private forum (at 3am, haha). Some of this has been talked about here already, but it just summarizes my thoughts. - Zap)
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These are regulations/laws which try to "encourage" higher fuel economy. Since people often don't care how much gas they use, the government tries to influence this on two fronts.

First, encourage the manufacturers to make vehicles with higher fuel economy by requiring all cars made by a company ("Corporate") to "average" a minimum MPG ("Fuel Economy"), or face financial penalties.

Second, make fuel inefficient vehicles more expensive for consumers to buy, by directly "taxing" the manufacturer a big chunk of change on vehicles that are extremely fuel inefficient ("Gas Guzzlers"), which directly adds to the bottom line of the purchase price of a vehicle.

I think they're doing it wrong. Not what the are trying to do but how they implement it.

CAFE stayed static for way too long at 27.5 MPG, and now suddenly it will shoot up to astronomical heights of something like 61 MPG by the year 2025. Sounds good, right? Our future cars will be super fuel efficient. Well, not really. The reason is that CAFE can be "gamed."

1) No it does not require vehicles to average 27.5MPG right now. That is a fake number that gets influenced by various factors, so the real number is already much lower. It gets even worse! For some reason gasoline vehicles are over-rated in MPG while diesel vehicles are underrated. Those who have driven diesel vehicles know that they get terrific MPG. An example of even more insanity is that a vehicle which can use E85 (mostly ethanol) gets a super boosted MPG rating for the purposes of the CAFE calculations, when the reality is that ethanol has a lower energy content than traditional gasoline, and thus results in lower real world gas mileage.

2) Car companies can trade "credits" with companies above CAFE selling their "excess" to companies below CAFE. Or maybe just pay the penalties of $55 per vehicle per negative MPG. That isn't much for car companies which build mostly premium vehicles. For instance Mercedes Benz routinely fails to meet CAFE MPG standards, and thus has to pay $122 (most recent numbers) per vehicle it sells in the USA. That's a drop in the bucket on the total selling price of their vehicles, thus little incentive to improve.

3) CAFE is mostly for passenger cars. Guess what? Pickup trucks, SUVs, crossovers and mini vans, which we all know the majority are used as passenger vehicles, are allowed much, MUCH more lax numbers that aren't part of the normal CAFE calculations. In fact, CAFE is the reason we have mini vans and SUVs instead of station wagons, because station wagons would have to meet the higher CAFE numbers of passenger vehicles, thus many car companies stopped making them and offered up the "truck based" alternatives instead. For those who would have bought a station wagon, that was often the only alternative. A side issue is that because the excess truck based "non-passenger" vehicles on the market made it more dangerous for "passenger" vehicles in collisions, more and more safety equipment has been mandated, which leads to heavier passenger vehicles, which leads to less gas mileage (all else being equal). A real clusterfuck.

4) Because instead of gradually increasing over the years, the sudden jump in CAFE means car manufacturers have to use newer and more expensive technologies to meet the suddenly higher numbers instead of gradually introducing them, thus new vehicle pricing is expected to jump up significantly, to the tune of thousands of dollars per vehicle.

5) A possible side effect of CAFE going up is that roads won't be as well maintained. Why? Because funds for road maintenance comes from gasoline taxes. Less gas used means less tax money, meaning roads aren't as well maintained. Some have suggested that there be a tax based on mileage driven (actual road usage) instead of gallons used.

This brings me to the Gas Guzzler Tax, which is a complete failure. Basically it makes the car buyer cough up a big chunk of money for buying a fuel inefficient vehicle, by raising the selling price at the car dealer. For instance that fancy new 2012 BMW M5 may have $5000 of its selling price go towards this tax (my estimate pulled from my ass). This is a double whammy for consumers who consider such vehicles by not only costing them more at the pump, but costing them more up front as well, with the hopes that it discourages them from buying such vehicles.

It has completely failed.

Why? It only covers "passenger cars." It exempts mini vans, SUVs and pickup trucks. This makes it cheaper to sell (or conversely more profitable for the manufacturer) a mini van/SUV/truck, thus encouraging manufacturers to make them instead of more fuel efficient "passenger" vehicles.

Here is what I would do if I could wave a magic wand to implement whatever laws I could.

1) Stop giving mini vans/SUVs/trucks a free MPG/tax ride and mandate/tax them into higher MPG brackets by making them meet CAFE/Gas Guzzler Tax that passenger vehicles have to meet, because after all the majority are used as normal passenger vehicles. This will do two things. First, REALLY increase fuel economy of ALL the real passenger vehicles on the roads. Second, eventually make the roads safer when fewer people are buying ginormous vehicles that are so dangerous to smaller vehicles. For those who actually use the vehicles for work/utility, make it a deduction on taxes. The framework is already there, because you can write off work vehicle purchases. Just make it a bigger deduction to make up for the extra cost of the Gas Guzzler Tax. This will also promote more fuel efficient vehicles for work use because you can get the same tax deductions even if you don't have to pay the Gas Guzzler Tax by buying a more efficient vehicle.

2) End gas taxes, but add a mileage tax payable at time of vehicle registration. This will be for purposes of roads maintenance.

3) Simplify CAFE calculations, and stop the "new math" they use. This will make real world MPG more in line with CAFE numbers, and promote such technologies such as diesel by not dinging them just for being diesel. Heck, diesels are super popular in Europe, and Europe enjoys around twice the MPG of the USA when averaging all cars on the roads. I think this is a very viable alternative to hybrids

4) Make CAFE increase more gradually. This will be offset by #3 above, so even if CAFE numbers stay the same, not allowing "new math" will make for a real world increase in MPG.

5) Make vehicles more dangerous. Oh teh noes! Seriously though, an excellent way of making cars more fuel efficient is to make them lighter. All the safety equipment mandated in the past two decades have added hundreds of pounds to the average vehicle (plus thousands of dollars), and probably close to a half ton to some. I wouldn't mandate vehicles to be less safe, but just remove laws requiring all the safety equipment that they currently require. People can still opt for less efficient, more expensive cars with the safety equipment. Or opt for cheaper, more efficient cars. Or somewhere in-between, having some safety equipment (such as airbags, anti-lock brakes) but not others (such as tire pressure monitoring systems, stability control). Heck, this calls for a mini-rant to follow. ***

So, am I crazy? Does anyone care?

***Mini rant on car safety features required by law.***
Some safety features are super useful, like seat belts, anti-lock brakes, airbags. Others are IMO not as useful, and sometimes are just knee jerk reactions to stupid people.

TPMS - Tire Pressure Monitoring System
This was mandated because a few idiots couldn't be bothered to check the air pressure in their Ford Explorers, letting their tire pressure get too low and causing them to roll their Explorers when cornering too fast while speeding. I am 100% serious. So, to protect idiots from themselves, TPMS was required for 2008+ model year. This adds a bit of weight (negligible to a few pounds depending on system type) and a bit of cost (dev costs, to probably over a hundred dollars depending on system type) to all vehicles.

Rear view cameras
Not yet law, but supposedly coming into effect. This is because people don't know how to drive and keep backing into shit. Really. Alternately cars can be made with sonars or something - anything - that shows or warns of something behind the vehicle. Doesn't actually have to be rear view cameras. Yes, more cost/weight added to the car.

Stability control/Traction control
Because people like to buy cars with more power than they (the driver) can handle.
 
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TPMS - Tire Pressure Monitoring System
This was mandated because a few idiots couldn't be bothered to check the air pressure in their Ford Explorers, letting their tire pressure get too low and causing them to roll their Explorers when cornering too fast while speeding. I am 100% serious. So, to protect idiots from themselves, TPMS was required for 2008+ model year. This adds a bit of weight (negligible to a few pounds depending on system type) and a bit of cost (dev costs, to probably over a hundred dollars depending on system type) to all vehicles.

God I hate TPMS. It seemed nice the first time I got a car with it, but then I rotated the tires and the light on the dash came on. Had to bring it to a shop every time I rotated my tires. Even though it's an extremely easy task that I can do in less than an hour with the included jack, I have to bring it to Discount Tire or something and have them fiddle around with the computer so my light turns off. And it just got worse when I bought a second set of wheels/tires; it was like $120 extra to get pressure sensors installed. I guess I didn't have to do it, but when I sold the car I was glad I did.

Oh yeah and the gas guzzler tax is awful too. It does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do - push manufacturers and consumers towards even less fuel efficient vehicles.
 
My only criticism is with your comments on stability control. It isn't needed because cars are too powerful; its needed because when people panic behind the wheel the expect to make the car do things that are physically impossible. Mainly, jerk the wheel hard left or right to avoid a car/debris/etc and expect that nothing bad will happen. Or drive their SUV as if they're Mario Andretti. Obviously shit will result. I actually think it isn't a bad thing to have stability control mandated.

TMPS is also to cure stupid...but its such an unobtrusive system that I can't see how it could really bug 99% of the driving public.

Rear view cameras....the end of society is near 😛 Or, let Darwin do his job!
 
TPMS should be replaced with goodyear's in-tire valve.

An example of even more insanity is that a vehicle which can use E85 (mostly ethanol) gets a super boosted MPG rating for the purposes of the CAFE calculations,
that's going away soon. it always had a phase out and the purpose was to get manufacturers to put in E85 capable engines.
 
TPMS should be replaced with goodyear's in-tire valve.


that's going away soon. it always had a phase out and the purpose was to get manufacturers to put in E85 capable engines.


I love subsidies in place to encourage us to burn our food!
 
TMPS is also to cure stupid...but its such an unobtrusive system that I can't see how it could really bug 99% of the driving public.

It would bug me to see the stupid light on the dash every time I drive my car. Granted, I only know two people with TPMS cars, but both of them have had it malfunction for no good reason. The system is so unreliable it's practically useless. One person had it fixed under warranty, the other one is out of warranty so he just drives with the stupid light on. His tire pressures are fine by the way. Stupid.
 
To each his own I guess. I've never had an issue with it.

The only annoying thing I've found so far is that on the Tacoma I bought my parents the spare needs to be properly inflated as well or the TMPS light will come on. Its not that its a bad thing to keep the spare inflated; just annoying since you have to drop it from under the bed to do it! I guess on the bright side the spare will never be flat.
 
It would bug me to see the stupid light on the dash every time I drive my car. Granted, I only know two people with TPMS cars, but both of them have had it malfunction for no good reason. The system is so unreliable it's practically useless. One person had it fixed under warranty, the other one is out of warranty so he just drives with the stupid light on. His tire pressures are fine by the way. Stupid.


Perhaps don't buy cars with horrible implementations?

Works great on my car.
 
Or a more out-of-the-box fix is to remove financing for cars (must pay in cash) and raise minimum car price to $50k.

Removing financing for cars will drastically reduce the number of cars on the road. People will have to get creative with commuting (for rural) and public transportation (for cities) and they will damn sure think VERY hard when they are about to purchase a vehicle.

Less cars on the road will lead to less road maintenance, less gas stations, significantly reduced oil demand.

More and more jobs will offer telecommuting as people will be less likely to drive to work.

The artifical $50k price floor will give manufacturers much more leeway into better materials, designs, safety and efficiency. Because of reduced demand for cars, they will also need to make a higher profit to survive. This way, manufacturers won't be afraid of mixing diesel, hybrid, exotic lightweight alloys because of costs.

/off crack
 
2) End gas taxes, but add a mileage tax payable at time of vehicle registration. This will be for purposes of roads maintenance.

I disagree here, this would remove an incentive from buying a more efficient vehicle. A Prius driver that puts 10,000 on his car would pay the same as an Escalade owner who drives the same distance. Not to mention it would incentivize people to tamper with their odometers.

Besides I would rather pay $x.xx in taxes per fill up throughout the year rather than $xxx.xx in a lump sum. In reality you would need to pay the same amount of taxes and shifting the payment from incremental to lump nets no real savings.
 
Or you could base tax on the amount of CO2 emitted like they do in the UK. Combine that with miles driven for total CO2 emissions per year and tax that. Then you would theoretically discourage people from driving an Escalades and reward those for driving a Prius.

But in a sense a gas tax is the same as a mileage tax anyway. In fact, its even more effective since you need more gas to travel the same distance. So it still rewards those choosing to buy fuel efficient vehicles.
 
I hate it when gas stations up here in Alaska switch to their winter blends. I lose like 2-3 mpg. 🙁
 
You spent entirely too much text to come to the conclusion you were trying to come to.

Stupidity is costly.
 
Or you could base tax on the amount of CO2 emitted like they do in the UK. Combine that with miles driven for total CO2 emissions per year and tax that. Then you would theoretically discourage people from driving an Escalades and reward those for driving a Prius.

But in a sense a gas tax is the same as a mileage tax anyway. In fact, its even more effective since you need more gas to travel the same distance. So it still rewards those choosing to buy fuel efficient vehicles.

Right, its just far simpler to pay per gallon rather than maintaining some chart of values you need to reference every year when your lump some payment is due. Not saying all of the OP statements are not reasonable, but this one just seems to add unneeded complexity for the sake of making the number on the pump smaller.
 
God I hate TPMS. It seemed nice the first time I got a car with it, but then I rotated the tires and the light on the dash came on. Had to bring it to a shop every time I rotated my tires. Even though it's an extremely easy task that I can do in less than an hour with the included jack, I have to bring it to Discount Tire or something and have them fiddle around with the computer so my light turns off. And it just got worse when I bought a second set of wheels/tires; it was like $120 extra to get pressure sensors installed. I guess I didn't have to do it, but when I sold the car I was glad I did.

Oh yeah and the gas guzzler tax is awful too. It does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do - push manufacturers and consumers towards even less fuel efficient vehicles.

I am so glad it was not mandated in Canada.
My 2011 Civic does not have TPMS. NICE!
 
The only thing I agree with you on is the rear view camera. I LOVE it on our car, but I don't think it should be a requirement. Also, TPMS, awesome! Love it! Apparently I ran over a nail while driving and the TPMS light turned on which most likely saved my rims (which are pretty expensive). I have low profile tires, so I most likely wouldn't have noticed it until it was too late.

Traction control, definitely a great feature. And with the option to turn it off, I don't see a problem with it.
 
My Mazda3 has TPMS....

I hate it. From day one, it would always malfunction. Now, I am out of warranty and I had 1 TPMS die....they wanted $250 to fix it. F that....i can check my own tire pressure. I'll fix it when I change my tires.
 
i'm a BIG fan of mileage TAX VS all other taxes when it comes to driving. It makes the most sense to me. I'm under the national average now but when i was doing 20k, i felt the same thing. Tax us by how much we drive not how many gallons it takes us.
 
Hi you must be new to life. Politics has not been about logic or reason for at least 25 years. The CAFE rating for E85 is an attempted handout for the corn ethanol lobby.

Hm I wonder about the diesel. Can you post some ratings? The BMW 335d gets like 36highway and has 260HP. Not bad...
 
i'm a BIG fan of mileage TAX VS all other taxes when it comes to driving. It makes the most sense to me. I'm under the national average now but when i was doing 20k, i felt the same thing. Tax us by how much we drive not how many gallons it takes us.

only thing that will happen is that they will maintain current gas tax and ADD the mileage taxation on top of it...
 
Stability control/Traction control
Because people like to buy cars with more power than they (the driver) can handle.

nah, there are many people who drive new cars who have no idea about this system, who then avoid accidents simply by having this system. Not to mention it reduces rollover rates of SUV's (most likly due to over correction) but these days not every soccor mom knows how to drive a car.
 
i'm a BIG fan of mileage TAX VS all other taxes when it comes to driving. It makes the most sense to me. I'm under the national average now but when i was doing 20k, i felt the same thing. Tax us by how much we drive not how many gallons it takes us.

That system would be ridiculous. It would add on another thing that we'd have to deal with. How would we report it? How would it be tracked? How would they prevent cheating? To actually make a system that would work it would cost a HUGE amount of money and it would be a headache for all of us. I'd much rather have the tax rolled into the cost of gas because then everything is easily dealt with and we don't need this huge organization to monitor our driving.

The last thing we need is another government organization that costs money to support. That would just end up taking more money out of all of our pockets.
 
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