Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[AdamK47]

Bulldozer performance figures are in

 

[drizek]

hey guys...foud this:

from: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/l2g82/im_just_gonna_say_it/

i also read that charlie from S\A said that bulldozer have something special for gamming

and than we have those amd comics...with FX team and Ruby
and that strange empy space on the die photo


i might beeing paranoid Oo

I have heard about 3 or 4 different people under NDA say this exact same thing. And I think all of them have reputations/ aren't 13 year old trolls.

 

[podspi]

I have heard about 3 or 4 different people under NDA say this exact same thing. And I think all of them have reputations/ aren't 13 year old trolls.

It is hard to imagine what that special gaming sauce might be, though. AFAIK, video drivers have never been a bottleneck, have they? Unless AMD has worked out some way to offload some GPU work to the CPU. Which would be... strange. But if effective, I wouldn't complain...

 

[PreferLinux]

The problem is, if it is software, then it will do the same on Intel CPUs. If not, then what?

 

[Olikan]

It is hard to imagine what that special gaming sauce might be, though. AFAIK, video drivers have never been a bottleneck, have they? Unless AMD has worked out some way to offload some GPU work to the CPU. Which would be... strange. But if effective, I wouldn't complain...

for amd, yes they are...
the radeons don't have a hardware scheduler (like fermi and the upcoming GCN), so all the schedule have to be made via drivers (reads, cpu)...imagine putting 1000+ shaders to work, at the same time! it's near imposible! that is called "vliw bubble"

and that expling why, amd don't have dx11 MT-support, the old 100% cpu usage bug and any hight performance drivers results in several bugs,
vliw-4 vs vliw-5 and GCN improving gaming while beeing compute focused

 

[Olikan]

sorry for second post...but....

3. Pair AMD FX with a high-end AMD Radeon™ graphics card: To unleash the power of the AMD FX CPU when it launches, you’ll of course want an equally powerful graphics cards. AMD recommends matching the AMD FX CPU with an AMD Radeon™ HD 6850 graphics card or higher. As always, make sure you have the latest drivers – includingAMD OverDrive™ software – installed to get the most of your system.*

AMD Blog

it really seems that we have a special gamming thing here
(well, can be just marketing too)

 

[podspi]

for amd, yes they are...
the radeons don't have a hardware scheduler (like fermi and the upcoming GCN), so all the schedule have to be made via drivers (reads, cpu)...imagine putting 1000+ shaders to work, at the same time! it's near imposible! that is called "vliw bubble"

and that expling why, amd don't have dx11 MT-support, the old 100% cpu usage bug and any hight performance drivers results in several bugs,
vliw-4 vs vliw-5 and GCN improving gaming while beeing compute focused

Hrm, then it seems like BD's advantage performance might be very short lived, as GCN is coming soon, and Fermi is already here :awe:

But I didn't know that, thanks.

 

[Vesku]

AGESA 1.1.0.0 BIOSes being released. Odds of some magic smoke being included in this version?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3894&dl=1#bios

 

[Despoiler]

AGESA 1.1.0.0 BIOSes being released. Odds of some magic smoke being included in this version?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3894&dl=1#bios

The review kits should have it. Everyone else that tested before it has provided invalid benchmarks.

 

[inf64]

I doubt any magical increases in performance will happen. But let's wait and see.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I doubt any magical increases in performance will happen. But let's wait and see.

It is a strange thing when you are the "voice of reason" about AMD.

 

[trollolo]

can't wait for the single core bulldozers

 

[wonderbread57]

^^ auto humor bot?

Any new FX boards scheduled to be launched this month?

 

[BlueBlazer]

can't wait for the single core bulldozers

There are no odd number "cores" for Bulldozer. The minimum is 2 "cores" (or appropriately "clusters").

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

There are no odd number "cores" for Bulldozer. The minimum is 2 "cores" (or appropriately "clusters").

1 - Based on Die size and manufacturing process, what is the maximum number of cores/modules possible on the BD arch?

2 - Also, If the min. is 2 cores, could a higher module design include an extra core (i.e., 9 or 11?).

3 - Is the L1 cache exclusive to each core (1MB) or 2MB for each module?

4 - Can we 'estimate' the scalability of BD from 4 - 6, 6 - 8 or maybe even 8 - 10?

Thanx in Advance. :thumbsup:

 

[NostaSeronx]

1 - Based on Die size and manufacturing process, what is the maximum number of cores/modules possible on the BD arch?

2 - Also, If the min. is 2 cores, could a higher module design include an extra core (i.e., 9 or 11?).

3 - Is the L1 cache exclusive to each core (1MB) or 2MB for each module?

4 - Can we 'estimate' the scalability of BD from 4 - 6, 6 - 8 or maybe even 8 - 10?

Thanx in Advance. :thumbsup:

1.-
8-12 cores

2.-
No it's either the module works or it doesn't and is then disabled

3.-
The L1d Cache is exclusive to a core and is 16KB
The L2/L1i Cache is inclusive to both cores and L2 is 2MB and L1i 64KB

4.-
Well Zambezi and Vishera will only have 8-cores and Steamroller will have 12-cores

 

[3DVagabond]

There's 16 core server chips. 8 is likely the limit though for the AM3(+) socket.

 

[Phynaz]

1.-
8-12 cores

Oops. Cray thought they were buying 16 core BD CPUs.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Oops. Cray thought they were buying 16 core BD CPUs.

The new Crays will be relying heavily on NVIDIA Teslas, so the CPUs hardly matters any more.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD Opteron Socket G34 16 core Interlagos has dual (2) 8 core BD dies in the same LGA (Land Grid Array), same as MC(dual 6 cores).

Red lines are 2x dual 128-bit memory channels

 

[Despoiler]

From live event http://www.twitch.tv/amd

This is a PR event. They have a bunch of SC2 players playing SC2 @ over 7ghz with LN2.

AMD just confirmed in the video and chat that NDA is gone next week.

Amd: I am personally on Twitter at @Thracks.

Amd: No benchmarks. Please read reviews next week.

Amd: It is a belt buckle. Amd: The chip was engineered in Texas, after all

Amd: 4) It overclocks over 4.5GHz on air, and over 5GHz on water. These are just averages. You may get much higher.

Amd: All I can say is that we're giving you 8 cores that overclock like crazy for less than $250.

 

[Crap Daddy]

All they do is advertise the OC capability. From what we found out from different leaks, since AMD will not give away any benchmarks of this piece of technical marvel, IPC is crap, clock for clock comparison with Sandy Bridge is abysmal, some AMD haters say that it's worse than Thuban but hey, you can overclock like crazy for just 250$. 4.5GHz on air? My 2500K is doing the same with a 20$ HSF and it costs 220$ so what's the big deal?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

All they do is advertise the OC capability. From what we found out from different leaks, since AMD will not give away any benchmarks of this piece of technical marvel, IPC is crap, clock for clock comparison with Sandy Bridge is abysmal, some AMD haters say that it's worse than Thuban but hey, you can overclock like crazy for just 250$. 4.5GHz on air? My 2500K is doing the same with a 20$ HSF and it costs 220$ so what's the big deal?

I don't think it'll be worse than Thuban. For that, the FX Six-Cores would need to be slower than the Phenom II X6, and John said there is an IPC increase in comparison to K10.5. The loss of performance mentioned since last year by AMD is in comparison to having everything dedicated on a theoretical Bulldozer, not a Phenom II.

The integer cores lose an ALU, but according to AMD that shouldn't be anything significant because the architecture itself is faster. Given the clock speeds, number of cores and pricing, I'd expect this to only be a max 10% IPC increase, with something like 5% being more probable. What's more worrying is the FPUs, since those are at a much bigger disadvantage than the integer cores when it comes to sharing resources. Things like POV-Ray and Cinebench 11.5 care a lot more about FP performance.

It will be good for multi-threaded workloads, especially given its overclocking potential, but not much else. Going CMT isn't a very good decision for most desktop workloads, but a great one for servers, virtualization, and render farms.

 

[Crap Daddy]

I agree but the sad/fun part is that AMD is marketing these chips as "gaming" CPUs. I highly doubt that these "gaming" FXs will even come close to a mere desktop processor as the 2500K or the 2600K is gaming scenarios.

 

[inf64]

I don't think it'll be worse than Thuban.

Sounds crazy but just wait for benchmarks. It's true unfortunately. Prety dissapointing that they enter 2012 with a Bobcat level of x86 performance instead of K10++ on steroids that could fight at least Nehalem/Westmere. This way they will barely beat Magny Cours in server space. Crazy stuff.