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WarhammerUC

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someone bumped the disk array, cause 8 disk ! out of 30 to go out of whack... lost 1.5tb data so far... and no backup...

i might not be around tomorrow, im sure they'll just get rid of the group.. :)



 
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Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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No backup huh.

Like the IT guy where I work was giving one of the partners a fresh image and then her email archives didn't show up anymore. A solid 2-3 years of her work gone including current proposals she works with offline when she's not connected to the network. He's still here though, must have recovered it.
 
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OdiN

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Mar 1, 2000
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No backup?

I certainly hope you're not in charge or in any way part of IT.

Also...how do you "bump" a disk array so that it trashes 8 of them?

Isn't this in an enclosed rack mounted to the floor?
 
SoulAssassin

SoulAssassin

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Feb 1, 2001
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#1 I do enterprise backup architecture, if your company is large enough to have 1.5TB of exchange data you need someone like me.
#2 If this is 30 spindles then that leaves me to believe this is two DAE's...is this part of a Clariion or similar array? If so, unless they did something really stupid like tried to move it while it was running then you need to get your hardware vendor on the phone and ask them what the hell happened. "Bumping" it should not cause 8 drives to fail.
#3 If you are not doing backups are you doing circular logging in Exchange, if so your Exchange people should be fired too.
 
Baked

Baked

Lifer
Dec 28, 2004
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That's just retarded. On site and off site backup at my job. 2 remote backups a week to on site servers, which are then backup to off site servers.
 
Brovane

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: OdiN
No backup?

I certainly hope you're not in charge or in any way part of IT.

Also...how do you "bump" a disk array so that it trashes 8 of them?

Isn't this in an enclosed rack mounted to the floor?
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I am with you a bump caused 8 disks to fail and there was no backup. This stuff is supposed to be in racks with the screws tightened down and hopefully seismic bolts holding the rack to the floor of the data center.
 
Jeff7181

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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I thought that sounded odd too... someone "bumped" it and almost 1/3 of the disks fail? Did they "bump" it with their car or what?!?
 
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OdiN

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Mar 1, 2000
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Originally posted by: Brovane
Originally posted by: OdiN
No backup?

I certainly hope you're not in charge or in any way part of IT.

Also...how do you "bump" a disk array so that it trashes 8 of them?

Isn't this in an enclosed rack mounted to the floor?
Click to expand...

I am with you a bump caused 8 disks to fail and there was no backup. This stuff is supposed to be in racks with the screws tightened down and hopefully seismic bolts holding the rack to the floor of the data center.
Click to expand...

Even if you don't have seismic bolts...hell even if it's just in a sturdy case...I still don't see how a "bump" causes this.
 
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spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: Brovane
Originally posted by: OdiN
No backup?

I certainly hope you're not in charge or in any way part of IT.

Also...how do you "bump" a disk array so that it trashes 8 of them?

Isn't this in an enclosed rack mounted to the floor?
Click to expand...

I am with you a bump caused 8 disks to fail and there was no backup. This stuff is supposed to be in racks with the screws tightened down and hopefully seismic bolts holding the rack to the floor of the data center.
Click to expand...

I took "bump" as some dumb-ass resized the partition.

Also very few codes and fewer best practices require racks to be seismic proof unless it's kalifornia.
 
BoberFett

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: TheEarthWillShake
There's no backup because management felt it cost too much.
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That is no excuse.
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Sure. Try convincing stubborn management at a small company to part with the money required for a system capable of doing regular 1.5TB backups. That'll work. :roll:

Have you ever tried selling disaster recovery to a company who has never had to recover from a disaster? "Why the hell do we need backups? We've got this expensive RAID system?"
 
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RagingBITCH

Lifer
Sep 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: TheEarthWillShake
There's no backup because management felt it cost too much.
Click to expand...

That is no excuse.
Click to expand...

Sure. Try convincing stubborn management at a small company to part with the money required for a system capable of doing regular 1.5TB backups. That'll work. :roll:

Have you ever tried selling disaster recovery to a company who has never had to recover from a disaster? "Why the hell do we need backups? We've got this expensive RAID system?"
Click to expand...

It isn't an excuse. It's just a very expensive and harsh lesson for the management of the company. 1.5TB backups isn't that expensive anymore nowadays.
 
SoulAssassin

SoulAssassin

Diamond Member
Feb 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: TheEarthWillShake
There's no backup because management felt it cost too much.
Click to expand...

That is no excuse.
Click to expand...

Sure. Try convincing stubborn management at a small company to part with the money required for a system capable of doing regular 1.5TB backups. That'll work. :roll:

Have you ever tried selling disaster recovery to a company who has never had to recover from a disaster? "Why the hell do we need backups? We've got this expensive RAID system?"
Click to expand...

Actually, when I was consulting that's what I did for a living. When you show them what it costs to be down for X hours and, god forbid, what it would cost if you couldn't recover it's easy.

I don't work there any more but I can put you in touch w my old company who can come in and design/implement a backup solution if you like.
 
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zoiks

Lifer
Jan 13, 2000
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We had a dumbass admin who blew away a vm by issuing a 'rm -rf'. We got our data back somehow but the admin was outta there.
 
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OdiN

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Mar 1, 2000
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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: TheEarthWillShake
There's no backup because management felt it cost too much.
Click to expand...

That is no excuse.
Click to expand...

Sure. Try convincing stubborn management at a small company to part with the money required for a system capable of doing regular 1.5TB backups. That'll work. :roll:

Have you ever tried selling disaster recovery to a company who has never had to recover from a disaster? "Why the hell do we need backups? We've got this expensive RAID system?"
Click to expand...

It isn't an excuse. It's just a very expensive and harsh lesson for the management of the company. 1.5TB backups isn't that expensive anymore nowadays.
Click to expand...

Especially with compression.

And there are cheaper methods out there - even though they aren't as good of a solution. Like rotating external hard drives. Sure not the greatest, but it's SOMETHING and it's not THAT expensive.
 
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