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FT-86 or used 370z or Used Cayman what to do with $25k?

i drove my friend's boxster R a few months ago and it was pure sex. This was just tossing it around on the streets, but everything from the tranny, turn in, mid corner, and exit was awesome.

Isn't the cayman supposed to be even better? lol.
 
Imho the new Boxster trumps even the Cayman for pure sport fun, but I think the previous gen the Cayman was the better deal. I know jack about Porsches other than driving impressions though.

I couldn't stomach a BRZ/FR-S due to the low power and slightly subpar handling compared to Miata. Miata has a ridiculously good aftermarket in place so getting it to ~250hp is pretty straightforward and then you're out of reach of the BRZ/FR-S pretty quick.

Agree on the Vette though, $25k will buy you a damn decent one, and it's a super solid mix of handling/power/brakes, and surprisingly cheap to insure and maintain. The modding community with any SBC is ridiculously good, and if you take good care of it they hold their value really well.
 
Doppel said:
It's offensive pretending that the Scion is in the same league as those two, truly offensive.

Interesting how around the 3:45 mark he talks about its eagerness to over steer as if that's a good thing as he's driving on a public road.
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True, that video was basically nonsense. It's one particular opinion amidst some very randomly assorted cars.
 
Doppel said:
It's offensive pretending that the Scion is in the same league as those two, truly offensive.

Interesting how around the 3:45 mark he talks about its eagerness to over steer as if that's a good thing as he's driving on a public road.
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He says that it moves around a bit... it doesn't seem particularly keen to oversteer.
 
PlasmaBomb said:
He says that it moves around a bit... it doesn't seem particularly keen to oversteer.
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But then later as he discusses the Porsche he says that it doesn't skitter and shimmy around as much as the Toyota, so it's not as fun. By this gauge he should rent a Uhaul and take it down Pikes Peak, he'll have found the best car ever.
 
PlasmaBomb said:
He says that it moves around a bit... it doesn't seem particularly keen to oversteer.
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It's a reference to the lack of grip in comparison to the Cayman. In absolutely every respect, this is a bad thing in terms of performance. Sure, it's fun to kick it loose here and there, but it's definitely not a 'plus' in my book to praise a lack of grip. Put better tires on the 86 and it's going to lose that wiggle anyway, which to that plonker's definition would make it a lesser car somehow?
 
eh..i would say having oversteer is give/take type deal, it being beneficial midcorner allowing you to rotate the car on throttle. On the other hand having some understeer on corner exit allows you to be more aggressive with the gas. All depending what you consider fun and how much slip angle you like to use

from what i am reading regarding owners who track, the ft86 twins have low speed understeer not responsive to throttle oversteer (not enough power) nor trail braking. and then on corner exit, is unable to lay the power down without losing the backend...yuck
 
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My relatively stock Miata beat a BR-Z with proper tires at an autocross. The BRZ had an experienced driver that ran when it was dry. I ran after it rained. Just saying.

Now the 370z? Yea, that guy continues to kick my ass.
 
Fenixgoon said:
FRS/BRZ and throw on some real tires.
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As much as I like where Sub/Toyo went with the car. I felt really, really underpowered. It didn't feel any better around a track then a cheap miata with some good tires and suspension did. When you get on the gas, it goes absolutely no where. They really need to up the power a bit.

Sure its supposed to be a track car, but if you are buying it for the track get a used s2k, miata, ect and slap some suspension mods and proper tires and you will be as fast, if not faster, for cheaper.
 
cayman, but just know its not an inexpensive car to maintain and if you're going to track it seriously you need a few mods. I really enjoy my 08 boxster: 3 years, 22K miles, 14 track days - top 3 in 🙂/$!
 
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Throckmorton said:
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This, if you don't mind shitty 90s interior. I'd jump on the first $25K cayman I'd saw.

Ditto on the "instinctive" feel that he talks about - my biggest observation going from an m3 to 911 was that it felt like you "put on" the carrera where as you just get into the m3.
 
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halik said:
This, if you don't mind shitty 90s interior. I'd jump on the first $25K cayman I'd saw.

Ditto on the "instinctive" feel that he talks about - my biggest observation going from an m3 to 911 was that it felt like you "put on" the carrera where as you just get into the m3.
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Yeah, the Vette interior is "workmanlike", to be kind 🙂 Great car though. Caymans are super sweet too. I think I could live with a mediocre/outdated interior if the chassis/drivetrain/balance were quite good, as the Vette is. I used to hate Vettes back during the C4 era, twitchy narrow messes that they were, but with the C5 and then the C6, they've honestly gotten quite good.

It'd be an interesting debate in my head if I had $25k I was going to put into a Vette or a Cayman (or an STI, M3, etc). The Vette is probably the cheapest to operate, which is a plus. All of them have their unique qualities which matter more to some people of course. I think about the only ones I would discount rather quickly would be things like the GT-R down the road. By the time those cars hit the $25k used mark they will probably be in need of a bit of work, and the maintenance schedule on all of that tech in that car can be prohibitive. Again, absolutely awesome car, but after having gone through a similar older vehicle (VR-4), that kind of complexity intimidates me a bit as an owner. I look back to my VR-4, and think that in retrospect I could have had an E36 M3 for about the same price, and although it wouldn't have been as quick stock v stock, it would have just been a better vehicle. As you note with the Vette v Cayman, it's not all about the power 🙂

cheers
 
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