FSP Epsilon PSU

[jodoog]

Hey, anyone using a FSP Epsilon PSU or have any comments on it? Looking to get a 600W one...but its not one I have heard of before, thanks!

Joe

 

[mwmorph]

FSP in general si very good stuff.

What is your pc config and do you plan to overclock and how far? For 99.5% of setups, that would be overkill. In fast most people on this board buy overkill for their psus.

 

[jodoog]

INTEL® CORE® 2 DUO E6600
2048 MB CORSAIR DDR2-800 PC6400
ASUS® P5W DH DELUXE
SATA II 250 GB HARD DISK @ 7200rpm 8mb cache
x1950xtx

Will do some overclocking in a few months...dont know how much though, sorry OCing is new to me...

Thanks

 

[mwmorph]

You would get by on a high quality 450w pretty well on that setup.

The setup you gave me is pretty vauge so i improvised most of it in the calculation
E6600 stock speed
X1900xtx stock speed
2 sticks DDR2 stock speed
1 dvd+rw drive
Sound blaster
2 othe pci cards
6 sub devices
3 firewire devices
Fan controller
Front bay card reader
front bay lcd display
3 120mm fans normal, non led non ultra loud high performance
1 80mm normal fan
1 92mm normal fan


It adds up to ~377w and the site usually over calculates for a margin of error. A Very high quality 350w will run it fine but a (quality) 450 would be safer. A 500 or 500w is all you need to oc.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

There is a better more accurate calculator out there with specific brands and amperage calculations, but i dont think its being updated or exists anymore. Something like takman.jp or something.

 

[Goi]

I have the Epsilon 600W. It's still powering my old P4 Northwood system, but I will be using it when I upgrade to a C2D in 1-2 months. I don't foresee any problems at all. It's a very good PSU.

 

[jodoog]

Thankyou both (especially mwmorph for doing the research!) and I think a 500W would be great for what I have therefore...

Thanks a bunch

Joe

 

[imported_RedStar]

I would just point out that jonny Guru tested 2 OCZ 700w gameXstream PSU's and both had very large ripple (that went out of spec) under certain conditions. The gameXstream is a rebranded FSP Epsilon. Jonny G also tested 1 Epsilon with the same problem.

The only thing i know about ripple..is that it can shorten the lifespan of PC components --and that in 2003 , ripple was blamed for the majority of ram failures. SO just keep this in mind

Other reviewers have said ripple is not a problem and OCZ has pointed to a majority of reviews praising it. But then none of the other reviewers do as much testing as Jonny G.

edit:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1919886&enterthread=y

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

jonny is one of the very few to do a full load test. Gotta love him.


...Galvanized

 

[Zepper]

You beat me to it. But the ripple doesn't get too bad until it's at a higher output than most anyone would use. Still it's hard to recommend them until they fix that.

OP,
. Check out the Enhance 5140/5150GH on eWiz via Froogle (to save a bit) for excellent PSUs at budget prices. The only thing I'd like to see is a bit more oomph on the +5V rail on the 5140. +5V isn't used for a lot any more but still...

.bh.

 

[dBTelos]

If your doing single card:

http://www.xoxide.com/sunbeam-nuuo-450w-psu-silver.html
Sunbeam Nuuo 450W w/PCI-E

http://tinyurl.com/fyax4
Seasonic S12 430W w/ PCI-E

http://atacom.com/program/print_html_ne...&Item_code=POWS_VANT_46_0A&USER_ID=www
Vantec ION 2 460W w/ PCI-E

Crossfire:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-EN5...efba891bfc72cedcbf8d7fc9f93da21568969d
Enhance ENP 500W w/ SLi

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe...sp?ProductCode=373100&prodlist=froogle
Corsair HX520W w/ SLi

They are all better options for you.

 

[Zepper]

JG's tests aren't bad, but he needs to reveal his conflicts of interest. Otherwise, caveat emptor...

.bh.

 

[mwmorph]

The absolute best investment power wise to to get a UPS battery power backup system system so during brownouts or power variations your pc isnt f'ed. Otherwise, a quality psu will work fine. Seasonic, PC&P, Fortron are the 3 that imemdiately come to mind.

We used to have a stickied thread about the ups system thing somewhere....

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Zepper
JG's tests aren't bad, but he needs to reveal his conflicts of interest. Otherwise, caveat emptor...

.bh.

He has more than once and he refuses to review any Ultra products.

I have read his posts, as a mod, over at UltraForums and he seems to be a straight shooter.
Now stop working his case, offer an open indictment or please back off. Zepper, I don't
know what else to say.


...Galvanized

 

[Zepper]

Just went to jonnyguru.com - no link to any disclosure of potential conflicts of interest. 'Nuff said. He defended Ultra in these forums with no disclosure of his relationship with them, that I remember ever seeing anyway. IAC, it has nothing to do with you.

While there is no doubt in anyone's mind here as to what level of esteem I hold TigerDirect and anything they have their fingers into (e.g. Ultra).

.bh.

 

[Goi]

Originally posted by: RedStar
I would just point out that jonny Guru tested 2 OCZ 700w gameXstream PSU's and both had very large ripple (that went out of spec) under certain conditions. The gameXstream is a rebranded FSP Epsilon. Jonny G also tested 1 Epsilon with the same problem.

The only thing i know about ripple..is that it can shorten the lifespan of PC components --and that in 2003 , ripple was blamed for the majority of ram failures. SO just keep this in mind

Other reviewers have said ripple is not a problem and OCZ has pointed to a majority of reviews praising it. But then none of the other reviewers do as much testing as Jonny G.

edit:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1919886&enterthread=y

Thanks. I didn't know of jonnyguru. Seems like a pretty good PSU review blog/site. I couldn't find the Epsilon review on the page though, do you happen to have the link?

 

[Aluvus]

Originally posted by: Goi
Thanks. I didn't know of jonnyguru. Seems like a pretty good PSU review blog/site. I couldn't find the Epsilon review on the page though, do you happen to have the link?

This OCZ unit is a rebadged FSP Epsilon. It's the one he was refering to.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Aluvus

Originally posted by: Goi
Thanks. I didn't know of jonnyguru. Seems like a pretty good PSU review blog/site. I couldn't find the Epsilon review on the page though, do you happen to have the link?

This OCZ unit is a rebadged FSP Epsilon. It's the one he was refering to.

I would still not ever use an OCZ PSU!!!

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Just went to jonnyguru.com - no link to any disclosure of potential conflicts of interest. 'Nuff said. He defended Ultra in these forums with no disclosure of his relationship with them, that I remember ever seeing anyway. IAC, it has nothing to do with you.

Yep. No disclosure of potential conflicts of interest. 'Nuff said.

And yes, I'll defend Ultra in these forums with no disclosure just like I'll defend any power supply brand that gets unfairly slammed... with no disclosure.

So I need a disclosure when I defend an Ultra but not a Thermaltake, Aerocool or Silverstone?!?! That's a stupid double standard.

I think it's funny that my site and my reviews are linkworthy unless they contradict your recommendations.

So whatever you want Zepper. I mod over at the Ultra forums. And yeah.. that's why I spread fud about OCZ/FSP power supplies having too much ripple. I think I get a $2 kick back for every mind I change. Of course, that doesn't explain why I like Silverstone and SevenTeam power supplies so much, but whatever.... :roll:

 

[dBTelos]

He has more than once and he refuses to review any Ultra products.

He reviewed the V-Series and, I believe, the X-Finity also :heart:

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

He has more than once and he refuses to review any Ultra products.

He reviewed the V-Series and, I believe, the X-Finity also :heart:

That was before I did any work for Ultra. My "cut off" was Feb of this year. Since then, I removed the links to those reviews from my site BECAUSE I was aware of the potential conflict of interest, etc. I eventually removed all power supplies that I reviewed using any previous testing methodologies because it seems that any potential imperfection in test results or scoring is potentially trolled upon. :roll:

Of course, some people aren't happy unless you decide to roll over and die, delete the site, etc. which I'm about two clicks away from doing.

 

[dBTelos]

Ah, thanks for the info then jonny.

 

[Goi]

Don't do it! Other than xbitlabs and spcr, yours is the only other site I've seen that does comprehensive testing of PSUs. I love this stuff!

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Of course, some people aren't happy unless you decide to roll over and die, delete the site, etc. which I'm about two clicks away from doing.

Do it jonny! Give your detractors the hollow victory they want/deserve.

Your detractors=The bitter old, the stupid young, the fanboies with money for 1000W units they'll never use, the me-toos with nothing to say but neff post anyway, the drugged or drunk that could get in a fight in an empty room........it's a long list.

There are many who appriciate your efforts, I do for one. I'm close to leaving AnandTech Forums anyway...Meh! The folks at badcaps.net are much more fun and a hell of alot brighter than the average here anywho.
motherboards.org, hardoc and extreme systems are options too.

...Galvanized

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Of course, some people aren't happy unless you decide to roll over and die, delete the site, etc. which I'm about two clicks away from doing.

Do it jonny!

...Galvanized

Don't cut off my nose to spite their faces.

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Of course, some people aren't happy unless you decide to roll over and die, delete the site, etc. which I'm about two clicks away from doing.

I have not read many of your reviews (forgive me).
But, that is not the point.
If a web site is full of !@#$, it will eventually be known as such.
If a web site is credible, it will eventually be known as such.

But, if you expect to keep everybody happy, I am afraid you will be disappointed. I don't think anyone can do that.

Why do you want to delete your site? Is anybody forced to read it? I am at a loss what this is all about. Frankly, I could not believe that you were considering deleting your site. I hope you were kidding.

Basically, what I am saying is that there is a lot of !@#$ on the internet and there is a lot of valuable information on the internet as well. It is the job of the reader to judge that. Why not continue to review PSUs and provide your review results and keep them as factual as you can? I don't think anyone can ask for anything more.