FSAA+HDR on NVIDIA?

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
blah, blah, blah

As opposed to the hot, noisy, power hungry, subpar AA, crap driver, lack of support, follow the leader card you seem to support? People have been waiting 10 years for an OpenGL patch from ATI. Go back to Rage3D, as no one is buying your BS here.

Subpar AA? LOL let's see: 6x AAA>nVidia's 4xTRSSAA and ATi's Crossfire modes > nVidia's slow SLi AA modes. The only thing nVidia has going for it is 8xS, too bad it runs like crap and only looks marginally better than 6xAAA. Make sure you have thick glasses or goggles for that subpar needle in your eyes AF nVidia card.

nVidia owner's dilemma: Should I install the buggy forceware 84.25 for Oblivion today or should I do a system restore and use the other emergency bugged drivers to play FEAR? nVidia, the way it's meant to be beta'd!** :laugh:


**nVidia does not take responsiblity for eye sight problems and/or headaches resulting from it's subpar AF.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It would seem that ATI's support of HDR+AA is lacking as well.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33848798

Didnt seem lacking to me when I played Farcry with HDR and AA.

LOL

How many times have you played Far Cry now Munky? I played it as much as I wanted to a couple years ago...



I won't play it next year if they figure out some other way to make it look a little different either....

I hear Serious Sam 2 supports HDR+AA, too bad your 2 primitive gtx's couldn't run that with all the eye candy.

Ever played Serious Sam 2?

With the:
Cutesy aliens walking around saying "Helloooo!" and "Yippie!"

Or the green football players running around saying "Huthuthuthut"

Or the fat red devil women?

Wind up rhinoceroses?

LOL- now THAT is a game you need same HDR + AA! It's sooooo realistic!

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It would seem that ATI's support of HDR+AA is lacking as well.
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33848798

Didnt seem lacking to me when I played Farcry with HDR and AA.

LOL

How many times have you played Far Cry now Munky? I played it as much as I wanted to a couple years ago...



I won't play it next year if they figure out some other way to make it look a little different either....

I hear Serious Sam 2 supports HDR+AA, too bad your 2 primitive gtx's couldn't run that with all the eye candy.

Ever played Serious Sam 2?

With the:
Cutesy aliens walking around saying "Helloooo!" and "Yippie!"

Or the green football players running around saying "Huthuthuthut"

Or the fat red devil women?

Wind up rhinoceroses?

LOL- now THAT is a game you need same HDR + AA! It's sooooo realistic!

Yeah I played it. It may be cartoonish, but what's so realistic about bunny-hopping around with 1hp and practicing the leet "skill" of AWP? If we're talking about gameplay, I still enjoyed Max Payne 2 with DX8 graphics more than the likes of Doom3 or Quake4.

 

[linkgoron]

FS.

Yes nVidia has problems. ATi has some problems. ATi has HDR+AA on non-source games, nVidia doesn't. Not many games have HDR+AA enabled today, but in the future there will be more. The games with HDR+AA look awesome and people without it are missing some great graphics.

Joker I'm sure you were quite happy with AF up to the x1800 cards. Yes nVidia has shimmering, ATi also has shimmering.

I feel sorry for those new 7900 owners that have to put up with shimmer IQ in a great looking game like this because they bought into the nV hype.

MEh. I don't. I'd be happy to have 7900 in SLI or x1900XT Xfire (which is bugged as hell BTW) than my 6600GT. They are both great sets of cards, and yes the x1900XT is probably has better FPS and IQ than the 7900, but it's not as if the 7900GTXs suck.


Oh, yes cards usually have the features before games have them, and usually games with those features start coming out between 6 to 12 months (from what I've seen) from the card's release. X1800XT has HDR+AA with only 2-3 games for now, and the 6800s also had 2-3 games at the begining.

Stop flaming as if your life is on the line, and then you guys can start complaining about trolls. You guys are no better. Both cards have good points and bad points, you can talk instead of flame, but flaming seems to be the only thing you guys enjoy doing, so have fun, Video is so great already.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Joker I'm sure you were quite happy with AF up to the x1800 cards. Yes nVidia has shimmering, ATi also has shimmering.

Actually I was never happy with shimmering. My 7800 was an eye sore with it's poor AF and even though the X800XT PE I had before it lacked HQ AF, it's angle dependent AF wasn't as bad as the 7800's.

MEh. I don't. I'd be happy to have 7900 in SLI or x1900XT Xfire (which is bugged as hell BTW) than my 6600GT. They are both great sets of cards, and yes the x1900XT is probably has better FPS and IQ than the 7900, but it's not as if the 7900GTXs suck.

Crossfire isn't "bugged as hell", nice try at a spin though. If someone is going to use a multicard solution, why be limited by nVidia's slow SLi AA modes?

 

[BFG10K]

I thought that Nvidia couldn't use HDR and FSAA at the same time,

They can't use FP HDR with MSAA. However it is possible for the application to implement non-FP and/or non-MSAA implmentations to make it work.

Rollo, nobody cares what your banned and now re-registered AEG paid ass has to say.

It's certainly comical to see Rollo...err FalllenAngell trying to pass himself off as a regular poster. The saddest part of it all is that he actually thinks he's fooling us. :roll:

It just proves yet again that he's not really a gamer at all and never was, he's just desperate to get back to preaching the forums like a good little AEG employee.

Lucky for you there isn't a mod that closely monitors these forums for re-registered trolls like yourself

Send the mods a PM and let them know he's Rollo re-registered.

 

[Frostwake]

Crossfire isn't "bugged as hell", nice try at a spin though. If someone is going to use a multicard solution, why be limited by nVidia's slow SLi AA modes?

Seems like most people dont care about it, everyone says SLI is better than CF and nvidia has better AA, but no one seems to care that nvidia is OWNED while doing AA higher then 4x

Lucky for you there isn't a mod that closely monitors these forums for re-registered trolls like yourself

Ya, he doesnt even try to type differently, exact same typing style as before :roll:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Subpar AA? LOL let's see: 6x AAA>nVidia's 4xTRSSAA and ATi's Crossfire modes > nVidia's slow SLi AA modes. The only thing nVidia has going for it is 8xS, too bad it runs like crap and only looks marginally better than 6xAAA. Make sure you have thick glasses or goggles for that subpar needle in your eyes AF nVidia card.

nVidia owner's dilemma: Should I install the buggy forceware 84.25 for Oblivion today or should I do a system restore and use the other emergency bugged drivers to play FEAR? nVidia, the way it's meant to be beta'd!** :laugh:


**nVidia does not take responsiblity for eye sight problems and/or headaches resulting from it's subpar AF.

As seen with HL2 ATI's AF removes detail. Maybe that's what hurts your eyes all the rich detail of a game. You prefer the lesser detail and blurry AA of an ATI card. Why not just take some of your vast supply of vaseline and smear it over your screen you will get the same effect.

Should ATI users install buggy CCC or just forget about the options it provides and use the limited tray tool?

There is a reason the 7900 is outselling the 1900. IT'S BETTER.

How sad for you.

I won't derail this topic anymore.

As seen in that Rage3D post HDR+AA on ATI is lacking, so it's hard to discuss it for any hardware.

 

[josh6079]

Wow, what did I do?

 

[Frostwake]

There is a reason the 7900 is outselling the 1900. NVIDIA'S PR DEPARTMENT IS BETTER.

Fixed.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

There is a reason the 7900 is outselling the 1900. IT'S BETTER.

Proof that it's selling better? All I see is the 7900 being in short supply just like it's predecessor the 512 GTX Phantom Edition. Yeah the 7900 is better alright, better at giving severe headaches after looking at it's subpar AA modes and eye poking needle AF. Wreckage, your half hearted trolling is getting stale, you need to do a better job.

I won't troll this topic anymore.

Fixed.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It's certainly comical to see Rollo...err FalllenAngell trying to pass himself off as a regular poster. The saddest part of it all is that he actually thinks he's fooling us. :roll:

Yeah it's pretty sad watching him trying to play innocent, "Rollo? Who's that?" :laugh:

It just proves yet again that he's not really a gamer at all and never was, he's just desperate to get back to preaching the forums like a good little AEG employee.

I'm sure he's aware that after being exposed as an AEG shill nobody will take him seriously so I can only conclude he's here purely to troll.

Send the mods a PM and let them know he's Rollo re-registered.

Already did, they can't find any evidence to show it's him because he's not using the same IP address (probably using a proxy). Those of us that know Rollo's trolling style don't need an IP address to recognize him.

 

[BFG10K]

Already did, they can't find any evidence to show it's him because he's not using the same IP address (probably using a proxy).

Do you remember the thread in Forum Issues where he said if he was ever banned he would simply use his multiple ISPs to re-register?

I think this is exactly what is happening here and it also shows what a sad little AEG puppet he really is.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: munky
Yeah I played it. It may be cartoonish, but what's so realistic about bunny-hopping around with 1hp and practicing the leet "skill" of AWP? If we're talking about gameplay, I still enjoyed Max Payne 2 with DX8 graphics more than the likes of Doom3 or Quake4.

The point was developers aren't adopting this ATI only feature yet, so it's largely meaningless.

Far Cry is an ancient game, and Serious Sam 2 is a silly game. SS2 is great for kids, but it's not the sort of thing where you need added "realism" to play. With that being all there is, there's not much reason to consider HDR+AA when buying video cards as we have no idea if/when it will be used in something worth playing.

 

[Frostwake]

Far Cry is an ancient game, and Serious Sam 2 is a silly game. SS2 is great for kids, but it's not the sort of thing where you need added "realism" to play.

Well Far Cry might be "ancient" but its still one of the better looking games out there, and alot more fun to play than most. About SS2 you have a valid point, there isnt much point in using HDR there excepto for bragging rights, pretty much like using HDR in The sims 2 so you can see the shoe shine

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: munky
Yeah I played it. It may be cartoonish, but what's so realistic about bunny-hopping around with 1hp and practicing the leet "skill" of AWP? If we're talking about gameplay, I still enjoyed Max Payne 2 with DX8 graphics more than the likes of Doom3 or Quake4.

The point was developers aren't adopting this ATI only feature yet, so it's largely meaningless.

Far Cry is an ancient game, and Serious Sam 2 is a silly game. SS2 is great for kids, but it's not the sort of thing where you need added "realism" to play. With that being all there is, there's not much reason to consider HDR+AA when buying video cards as we have no idea if/when it will be used in something worth playing.

Is HDR+AA considered when buying a video card? Yes. Just not a lot.

Now if it weren't for my time of my purchase I just might have gotten a X1900XT(X) but when I bought my 7800GT's (for SLI) it was about the best I could get. Now, since I can step up to 7900Gt's I did for $11 each, which is pretty good.

Yes, I'm still complaining I can't do HDR+AA, but it really all it came down to was when I bought the cards. Their still dam fast cards.

 

[BassBomb]

whats the difference in real life looks between FP w/e and the pixel shader kind?

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
whats the difference in real life looks between FP w/e and the pixel shader kind?

It's hard to say because Source is the only engine that uses pixel shaders to do HDR . . .

To me though the difference is minor . . .

 

[josh6079]

Wow, I only really wanted to know why I was getting both in the Source engine. That question was answered a long time ago (like the second post or something) wizboy 11, munky, thanks for telling me why I was getting both.

I never thought it would turn into the ATI vs. Nvidia war. It's hard to influence someone away from the product that they own and besides, what do you really care if some other dude on the web has and loves one or the other? Both have problems, both do things differently, and I'm not going to cut my hand and become a blood brother to one company or the other. I've seen some good things out of my SLI rig, but that's not to say that an ATI setup wouldn't be worthy. Whether one company is better or not, both have to realize that without both companies competeing, we wouldn't have any good graphics cards on the market because one would control the market. The fact that they are always trying to beat eachother, and one is always trying to overpower the others weak points, just gives us more options to go with.

 

[BFG10K]

whats the difference in real life looks between FP w/e and the pixel shader kind?

In theory the floating point frame buffer is more accurate because of better precision but in reality a lot of it boils down to artistic talent.

 

[Frostwake]

I never thought it would turn into the ATI vs. Nvidia war... etc etc

Well, thats the fun of it all, at least in the video forum... what fun would it be without people flaming each other, most of the time using hilarious comebacks

 

[josh6079]

True, but the topics that most are arguing about really are just like trying to debate DFI or ASUS, both are good, it's just whatever kind of deal you want that makes them different. Warranted Overclocking: Nvidia. FSAA+HDR : ATI. etc etc. The list for benefits and problems on both sides is huge and continues to grow, but in the end your always going to like the outcome because you made your computer and you like what you put in it...that's why you bought what you did.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Frostwake

I never thought it would turn into the ATI vs. Nvidia war... etc etc

Well, thats the fun of it all, at least in the video forum... what fun would it be without people flaming each other, most of the time using hilarious comebacks

Most of the "hilarious comebacks" I've seen so far are basically childish name calling.

It would seem to me the video forum is a place to discuss video issues, but I'm new here, so I could be wrong.