FS takes another look at NV40 & Far Cry

[CaiNaM]

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[Genx87]

No surprise here. The water looks exactly like the water in DAOC in the SI client. The SI client came out in Nov-Dec of 2002 and required a DX8 compatible card for reflections.

 

[JBT]

Whats up with that shadow?

 

[rbV5]

So what does Far Cry use 2.0 shaders for? Apparently just lighting, everything else is handled by 1.1 shaders

Thats pretty damn interesting no?

 

[JonnyBlaze]

it makes sense. the lighting setting is the only setting that will double your frame rates when its set to low. it must shut off the 2.0 shaders.

JBlaze

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

 

[VIAN]

This sucks. 6800 Ultra not even released and just 80fps. We need quicker CPUs.

 

[klah]

We need to see benchmarks using a 3GHz AthlonFX to see how cpu-dependent these performance figures are.

 

[Ackmed]

Clearly if you have a GeForce FX card you?ll want to upgrade to Far Cry 1.1.

Especially if you want banding problems, and worse graphics.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

Think harder. Until its proven, and I mean reeeaaalllly proven, Nvidia is innocent until proven guilty as far as this go round goes.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: klah
We need to see benchmarks using a 3GHz AthlonFX to see how cpu-dependent these performance figures are.

Or a 4GHz P4.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, first it was a PS2.0/PS3.0 comparison. "My god look at the difference! ATI is dead!", etc.

Then it was a PS1.1/PS3.0 comparison. "Hey! Wait a minute! What's this?"

Now apparently it's a Low Quality setting PS1.1/Higher Quality setting PS3.0 comparison. "Jeez what a letdown!"

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

how does this have anything to do with nvidia? it simply states far cry uses minimal ps2 shaders - regardless of whether it's running on ati or nvidia. :roll:

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

how does this have anything to do with nvidia? it simply states far cry uses minimal ps2 shaders - regardless of whether it's running on ati or nvidia. :roll:

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, first it was a PS2.0/PS3.0 comparison. "My god look at the difference! ATI is dead!", etc.

Then it was a PS1.1/PS3.0 comparison. "Hey! Wait a minute! What's this?"

Now apparently it's a Low Quality setting PS1.1/Higher Quality setting PS3.0 comparison. "Jeez what a letdown!"

 

[Genx87]

Well it is obvious the big DX9 game is more of a DX8 game with DX9 lighting affects.

Interesting to note the 9800 gets like 35-45 fps on this DX8 game. I think it is safe to say the first gen DX9 cards wont be running anything PS2 intensive.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

how does this have anything to do with nvidia? it simply states far cry uses minimal ps2 shaders - regardless of whether it's running on ati or nvidia. :roll:

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, first it was a PS2.0/PS3.0 comparison. "My god look at the difference! ATI is dead!", etc.

Then it was a PS1.1/PS3.0 comparison. "Hey! Wait a minute! What's this?"

Now apparently it's a Low Quality setting PS1.1/Higher Quality setting PS3.0 comparison. "Jeez what a letdown!"

again, what does that have to do with nvidia. read the article:

Recently there?s been some controversy surrounding a set of screenshots NVIDIA sent to the press involving shader model 3.0 and Far Cry. In the screenshots, NVIDIA provides a comparison of 1.1 shaders to 3.0 shaders. According to NVIDIA: ?The following before-and-after images are from the CryEngine. Developer Crytek uses Shader Model 3.0 techniques (vs. 1.x shaders) to add more depth and realism to the scenes. Notice the more realistic look and feel when SM 3.0 is applied to the bricks and stones that make up the staircase. In the scene featuring the Buddha, the full image comes to life with the use of SM 3.0, with the technique applied to multiple objects.? (Editor?s Note: The preceding quote came directly from NVIDIA?s email to members of the press which accompanied the screenshots)"

nvidia never said it was comparing ps2; they explicity stated it was a 1.1 comparison when they sent the screenshots.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'm finding it hard not to think of deception by Nvidia here.......

how does this have anything to do with nvidia? it simply states far cry uses minimal ps2 shaders - regardless of whether it's running on ati or nvidia. :roll:

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, first it was a PS2.0/PS3.0 comparison. "My god look at the difference! ATI is dead!", etc.

Then it was a PS1.1/PS3.0 comparison. "Hey! Wait a minute! What's this?"

Now apparently it's a Low Quality setting PS1.1/Higher Quality setting PS3.0 comparison. "Jeez what a letdown!"

again, what does that have to do with nvidia. read the article:

Recently there?s been some controversy surrounding a set of screenshots NVIDIA sent to the press involving shader model 3.0 and Far Cry. In the screenshots, NVIDIA provides a comparison of 1.1 shaders to 3.0 shaders. According to NVIDIA: ?The following before-and-after images are from the CryEngine. Developer Crytek uses Shader Model 3.0 techniques (vs. 1.x shaders) to add more depth and realism to the scenes. Notice the more realistic look and feel when SM 3.0 is applied to the bricks and stones that make up the staircase. In the scene featuring the Buddha, the full image comes to life with the use of SM 3.0, with the technique applied to multiple objects.? (Editor?s Note: The preceding quote came directly from NVIDIA?s email to members of the press which accompanied the screenshots)"

nvidia never said it was comparing ps2; they explicity stated it was a 1.1 comparison when they sent the screenshots.

CaiNam, its no use. Some people are out to hang nvidia no matter what you tell them. The "be all, end all" is that they are comfortable knowing that nvidia can only acheive goodness underhandedly. Why this is important to them, I cant understand. I suppose that youth might have something to do with it, and lack of wisdom that comes with age. When your young, everything is a competition. Who has the greater. I'm finding that the older I get, the less I care. I still find new technology exciting and always look forward to new things and what they can do.

Kids, it just isn't as important as you think it is. You will see what I mean as you face things in life that are really important.

 

[Ackmed]

Talking down to people only makes you look like a fool. If you want to compare lives, let me know.

NV lead people to believe PS 3.0 is the next big thing, when it isnt even the next little thing. Which is why its hard to trust them, they decieve all the time. Reading the article shows this.

 

[jim1976]

I don't know why ppl are making so much noise over this.
From the first time I saw that picture comparison , I knew it was a joke.
You don't need to be a brilliant mind or someone else to state that for you in order to understand it.
All you have to do is play the game with ps2 enabled (whether it's ATI or Nvidia)
This stage is called "catacombs" and as I have stated in a past post I was just concerned to see the second pictures which were ps3 with mine taken from the game.
The first ones were a joke to me and to everyone I suppose.
As for Nvidia I think it's just a marketing trick (if indeed Nvidia gave those pictures to the publicity)
Let's not make such a big issue out of this. ATI could have done it vice versa. Noone is a saint :roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Talking down to people only makes you look like a fool. If you want to compare lives, let me know.

NV lead people to believe PS 3.0 is the next big thing, when it isnt even the next little thing. Which is why its hard to trust them, they decieve all the time. Reading the article shows this.

Why is it so important for you to be right?

 

[Gamingphreek]

That has nothing to do with Nvidia. ANd besides PS3.0 is a big thing. It drastically reduces the load on the GPU. It may not look better but it is a lot faster and fine tuned. It is a big thing dude.

Also i agree that a lot of people are just waiting to pick Nvidia apart. One wrong move and Nvidia gets the crap beaten out of them. Then they turn a blind eye towards ANYTHING wrong ATI does. Note: not everyone does this but a good number of people do.

-Kevin

 

[BFG10K]

That article didn't even mention the known IQ issues with the 1.1 patch. Half of those benchmarks were completely invalid.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, they mentioned that wild shadow!

Okay, I'll include the game maker in the deception too, but Nvidia's in there somewhere.

Again I'll say that I am a happy Ti4400/R9600pro owner and will probably be purchasing an R420 and an NV40 based card when they are available.

It'll cost, but it's the only way to sort through the rumors/fud/bs. You gotta look and judge for yourself.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
NV lead people to believe PS 3.0 is the next big thing, when it isnt even the next little thing. Which is why its hard to trust them, they decieve all the time. Reading the article shows this.

it is an important step, which is why it will also be supported by ati in r500.. and in reality it's not PS3 by itself that's so important, rather the entire SM3 support.

it may be argued this gen the cards aren't able to make full use as they just aren't powerful enough (tho such was the case all along with the r300, wasn't it?), but time will tell... at any rate, it's here and it will be useful.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Genx87
No surprise here. The water looks exactly like the water in DAOC in the SI client. The SI client came out in Nov-Dec of 2002 and required a DX8 compatible card for reflections.

The water shader in SI, and even the one in TOA is very primitive compared to far crys. SI had some serious bugs with reflection that showed objects in the water that simply werent there etc.