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Frustration regarding probable obsolescence of XP x64
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Wha...? When all is said and done, Microsoft will have supported XP for 12 years. That does not come cheap.
Why is this ridiculous? If we were talking about XP SP2 being delayed, I would agree with you. But SP3 will be a collection of security fixes and hotfixes, most of which you can get today. Yes, it can suck downloading a lot of updates after doing an install, but it isn't the end of the world.
Try to remember that Microsoft is a business in business to make money and please share holders. You don't please share holders by further delaying the next iteration of your flagship product to deliver what amounts to a minor update to an existing product. Also remember that Microsoft DID stop development of the next iteration of their flagship product to deliver XP SP2. Was that another example of greed and exploitation of their customers?
mechBgon
Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
DropMyRights at MSDN, complete with .MSI file.
Regarding doing this with SP3, yes, I'm dreaming, because it would break a lot of stuff (besides malware) designed on the assumption that of COURSE the user will have Admin privileges. :roll: But I'd love to see the malware authors' faces when they read the news :evil:
Maybe so. As long as it gets to the average homeowner's Windows box somehow and yanks the Admin powers on stuff that doesn't normally need it.
jlbenedict
Banned
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I would love it if Windows 98 was still supported also.. Including hardware drivers (PCIe, 975x chipset, etc..)
Puffnstuff
Lifer
I feel your pain brother as I originally bought x64 with high hope of a long term functional os for my 64 bit system. It didn't even stay on my system 2 months before it took a crap and I put xp pro back on. MS should offer a reduced cost upgrade path for those of us who bought that pos thinking that it would be a good os.
Vista IS XP + DirectX 10 + new driver model + 'protected mode' + sidebar + readyboost + improved search etc. etc.
If you want to use XP with all those features Microsoft has made it very easy to do so.. You buy Vista.
That is all there realy is to it. You realy realy expect Microsoft to put 5 years of work into all these upgrades and then give them to you for free?
As for Windows XP-64? Microsoft should of never released that stuff to teh general public, it should of only been aviable through OEMs for people that realy require 64bit-ness for whatever reason. But that is how it goes, stuff happens and it's not realy worth getting upset about.
If you want to use XP with all those features Microsoft has made it very easy to do so.. You buy Vista.
That is all there realy is to it. You realy realy expect Microsoft to put 5 years of work into all these upgrades and then give them to you for free?
As for Windows XP-64? Microsoft should of never released that stuff to teh general public, it should of only been aviable through OEMs for people that realy require 64bit-ness for whatever reason. But that is how it goes, stuff happens and it's not realy worth getting upset about.
mechBgon
Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
I didn't say they had to give XP what they've given to Vista, I just suggest they get their most-targeted apps down to something lower than Admin level, so an average homeowner's web browser, media player, email client and IM aren't packing god-level powers "just because." And yet that doesn't break stupidware like QuickBooks that demands at least Power User accounts to function.
mechBgon
Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
True. The hard part is getting either of those solutions implemented on a zillion home users' systems. If SP3 for WinXP included such a feature, however, it would be widely delivered via automatic updates.
Ideally, I envision a "Sandbox" panel with a happy-green-shield column, the angry-red-shield column, and radio buttons for each detected browser, IM client, email client and media player, and the user could use the radio buttons to choose to sandbox stuff (green shield) or leave it at Admin level (red shield) at any time. This panel would appear after SP3 is installed, just like the Automatic Updates panel appears on the reboot following SP2 installation, and it would appear again anytime the user installed a new browser, email client, IM client or media player that the app recognizes.
I'm no programmer, so I don't know how realistic that is, but if they pulled it off, I bet it would help non-geeks run WinXP more securely.
Add fvcking awesome integrated voice recognition software to the Vista feature list... this is a $100 feature that has really been "under the radar" on most reviews on the net (piss on them). I was using a bit at school the other day... it works fantastically well on everything I tried.
I don't know. I would be irritated personally if I bought the XP-64 software, especially at retail price But I knew back then that it was going to be mostly pointless.
It was what? Already delayed for a year or more. Had bad hardware support and virtually no native application support. I beleive I even told people here to avoid it and wait for Vista 64bit to mature before bothering with 64bit Windows. (Realy I think that it would be silly to use Vista even now for anything important until it gets it's first service pack.)
It's not like it's a automobile or anything of that scale. I figure it's worth being irritated and probably complaining about it in a forum would be fine. After all it is a turd of a OS for people that didn't absolutely need it for paticular reason.
Oh, well. Let that be a lesson that it's pretty much worthless to be a early adopter of consumer technology when it costs you more money then your willing to just blow on something silly.
It was what? Already delayed for a year or more. Had bad hardware support and virtually no native application support. I beleive I even told people here to avoid it and wait for Vista 64bit to mature before bothering with 64bit Windows. (Realy I think that it would be silly to use Vista even now for anything important until it gets it's first service pack.)
It's not like it's a automobile or anything of that scale. I figure it's worth being irritated and probably complaining about it in a forum would be fine. After all it is a turd of a OS for people that didn't absolutely need it for paticular reason.
Oh, well. Let that be a lesson that it's pretty much worthless to be a early adopter of consumer technology when it costs you more money then your willing to just blow on something silly.
xylem-
I understand your point about the release date of XP 64, but support for XP of any version doesn't mean support for a version of DirectX that was never part of XP.
They have an obligation to support DX9 in XP, but not to create a version of DX10 for XP.
As far as the XP 64 release date, support for all versions of XP goes through at least 2014, it's hard to argue that isn't a long time to support a product. I doubt many people of the type who would use XP 64 in the first place, will still be using it by then.
I understand your point about the release date of XP 64, but support for XP of any version doesn't mean support for a version of DirectX that was never part of XP.
They have an obligation to support DX9 in XP, but not to create a version of DX10 for XP.
As far as the XP 64 release date, support for all versions of XP goes through at least 2014, it's hard to argue that isn't a long time to support a product. I doubt many people of the type who would use XP 64 in the first place, will still be using it by then.
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