Frustrated inventor needs some advice

hoyaguru

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I’ve always been able to come up with inventions, or modifications to existing items, that I think would be beneficial to people and/or could make a lot of money. But, I’ve never done anything with these ideas, mainly because I am not any good at building or creating the things I think up, or even drawing them well enough to take to a patent office. If I understand the whole patent process correctly, an inventor has to actually build the thing he invents to prove that it works, then pay a huge amount of money to get a patent, and wait a long time to get it. Time I have, money I don’t.

Over 20 years ago, while working a night job in a boring work center, I came up with what is now an E-Book. I remember drawing it, and what I drew looks pretty much just like a Kindle does today, screen and buttons in the same place, and I explained it to the guy I was working with as an “Electronic book, where you can download entire novels to it from a computer, and then press a button to flip the pages”. Of course, I’m guessing there were a lot of other people out there who thought up the same thing, and someone actually made one and probably became rich.

Here’s one I thought up about 10 years ago: You know how a lot of people can't figure out how to set the time on their VCR, and it just blinks 12:00 all the time? Why not use existing technology, and create a small box that downloads the exact time from a satellite every minute (I have a digital thermometer that does that now), and then cycles through every known signal from all the VCR brand's remotes, and sends a signal that re-sets any VCR's time to the exact time. A Universal remote has the ability to set the time on just about any VCR out there, so creating something that would just shoot the time out and cycle through all the remote settings for all the VCR's every minute or so shouldn't be that hard. You could make this thing look like a digital clock, and sit it on a table, or make it look like a remote and keep it with your other remotes.

Anyway, now I’ve got a new idea that I’m sure would be a money maker, using existing technology but in a new way, but I’m in the same boat I’ve been in all my life, no idea how to get a patent on it. I’ve thought about contacting some of the major manufacturers who make a similar technology to try to make a deal with them, but how could I trust them? They might just take my idea, say they aren’t interested, and then a year later I’ll see it for sale. I actually tried this approach years ago, emailed several companies, but never heard anything back.

I’ve heard that these commercials you see on TV that say they will help inventors are just rip offs, and the websites that do it are the same, so I’m looking for some advice. I don’t have the money to put into getting a patent, I don’t have the ability to create the item I’ve invented, I can’t draw well enough to make a drawing look good enough that someone would know what the hell it is I’m drawing. I just have a good idea for an invention that could be worth a lot of money. Has anyone out there invented something, and do you have any advice?
 

Gigantopithecus

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Holy fucking shit, you're real!

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JS80

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I’ve always been able to come up with inventions, or modifications to existing items, that I think would be beneficial to people and/or could make a lot of money. But, I’ve never done anything with these ideas, mainly because I am not any good at building or creating the things I think up, or even drawing them well enough to take to a patent office. If I understand the whole patent process correctly, an inventor has to actually build the thing he invents to prove that it works, then pay a huge amount of money to get a patent, and wait a long time to get it. Time I have, money I don’t.

Over 20 years ago, while working a night job in a boring work center, I came up with what is now an E-Book. I remember drawing it, and what I drew looks pretty much just like a Kindle does today, screen and buttons in the same place, and I explained it to the guy I was working with as an “Electronic book, where you can download entire novels to it from a computer, and then press a button to flip the pages”. Of course, I’m guessing there were a lot of other people out there who thought up the same thing, and someone actually made one and probably became rich.

Here’s one I thought up about 10 years ago: You know how a lot of people can't figure out how to set the time on their VCR, and it just blinks 12:00 all the time? Why not use existing technology, and create a small box that downloads the exact time from a satellite every minute (I have a digital thermometer that does that now), and then cycles through every known signal from all the VCR brand's remotes, and sends a signal that re-sets any VCR's time to the exact time. A Universal remote has the ability to set the time on just about any VCR out there, so creating something that would just shoot the time out and cycle through all the remote settings for all the VCR's every minute or so shouldn't be that hard. You could make this thing look like a digital clock, and sit it on a table, or make it look like a remote and keep it with your other remotes.

Anyway, now I’ve got a new idea that I’m sure would be a money maker, using existing technology but in a new way, but I’m in the same boat I’ve been in all my life, no idea how to get a patent on it. I’ve thought about contacting some of the major manufacturers who make a similar technology to try to make a deal with them, but how could I trust them? They might just take my idea, say they aren’t interested, and then a year later I’ll see it for sale. I actually tried this approach years ago, emailed several companies, but never heard anything back.

I’ve heard that these commercials you see on TV that say they will help inventors are just rip offs, and the websites that do it are the same, so I’m looking for some advice. I don’t have the money to put into getting a patent, I don’t have the ability to create the item I’ve invented, I can’t draw well enough to make a drawing look good enough that someone would know what the hell it is I’m drawing. I just have a good idea for an invention that could be worth a lot of money. Has anyone out there invented something, and do you have any advice?

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Execution is everything. Sorry but your idea was already thought of, and someone most likely already tried to execute on it.

If it's a consumer product, try submitting your idea to Quirky.com it only costs $10.
 

zinfamous

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Here’s one I thought up about 10 years ago: You know how a lot of people can't figure out how to set the time on their VCR, and it just blinks 12:00 all the time? Why not use existing technology, and create a small box that downloads the exact time from a satellite every minute (I have a digital thermometer that does that now), and then cycles through every known signal from all the VCR brand's remotes, and sends a signal that re-sets any VCR's time to the exact time. A Universal remote has the ability to set the time on just about any VCR out there, so creating something that would just shoot the time out and cycle through all the remote settings for all the VCR's every minute or so shouldn't be that hard. You could make this thing look like a digital clock, and sit it on a table, or make it look like a remote and keep it with your other remotes.

eh, my VCR did that 15 years ago.

plug it into the wall, instant time-set. it was a ~$70 Hi-Fi, 4 head contraption, too.
 

GagHalfrunt

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My advice is that if you think you've got a moneymaking idea for VCRs you might want to reconsider the whole inventor gig. How about seatbelts for a Model T or an automatic toilet paper dispenser for an outhouse. If you want to make millions your first step would be to invent something you can sell millions of, that means being ahead of the curve, not 30 years behind it.
 

hoyaguru

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Ideas are a dime a dozen. Execution is everything. Sorry but your idea was already thought of, and someone most likely already tried to execute on it.

If it's a consumer product, try submitting your idea to Quirky.com it only costs $10.

I haven't told you my current idea, and I know no one has tried to execute on it. As for submitting my ideas on someone's website, I don't think I'd have much protection from someone stealing it if I did that.
 

hoyaguru

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Who still uses VCRs?

Not many people, but I thought of this 10 years (or more) ago. This was just an example of something I had thought of, that could have probably been produced for very little money, and some people would have bought and used.
 

hoyaguru

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My advice is that if you think you've got a moneymaking idea for VCRs you might want to reconsider the whole inventor gig. How about seatbelts for a Model T or an automatic toilet paper dispenser for an outhouse. If you want to make millions your first step would be to invent something you can sell millions of, that means being ahead of the curve, not 30 years behind it.

Which is why I started with the sentence, "Here’s one I thought up about 10 years ago:". I'm guessing at the date, it was when I first saw something that received time settings from a satellite. I'm not asking for help with an invention for VCR's. Maybe I should invent something for reading comprehension.
 

JS80

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I haven't told you my current idea, and I know no one has tried to execute on it. As for submitting my ideas on someone's website, I don't think I'd have much protection from someone stealing it if I did that.

It doesn't matter you haven't told me or anyone. Someone has thought of it. There are 6 billion people on this planet, someone has thought of it.

The last thing you should fear is someone stealing your idea. If people could steal your idea so easily, then your idea is worthless to begin with.

BTW Quirky is a real business where you submit your ideas and if they decide to execute on it, they share the revenues with you.
 

hoyaguru

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It doesn't matter you haven't told me or anyone. Someone has thought of it. There are 6 billion people on this planet, someone has thought of it.

The last thing you should fear is someone stealing your idea. If people could steal your idea so easily, then your idea is worthless to begin with.

BTW Quirky is a real business where you submit your ideas and if they decide to execute on it, they share the revenues with you.

Oh, trust me, this is something extremely new and useful. Let's just say it involves lasers, copper wire, parts from a microwave oven, a metal detector, cherry cough syrup, a tin can, moth balls, a bra strap, and several golf balls. And a few ingredients I won't name here, as then someone might be able to figure out what it is.

But seriously, the way I see it, someone has to come up with an invention first, and the latest one I've come up with is very unique.
 

JS80

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Oh, trust me, this is something extremely new and useful. Let's just say it involves lasers, copper wire, parts from a microwave oven, a metal detector, cherry cough syrup, a tin can, moth balls, a bra strap, and several golf balls. And a few ingredients I won't name here, as then someone might be able to figure out what it is.

But seriously, the way I see it, someone has to come up with an invention first, and the latest one I've come up with is very unique.

No, it's not.
 

Leros

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If its useful (i.e. people would actually buy it), then there some logical reason that you thought of it. Somebody else has already followed the same logic. Trust me.

If your idea is truly unique, its probably a stupid idea.
 

hoyaguru

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If its useful (i.e. people would actually buy it), then there some logical reason that you thought of it. Somebody else has already followed the same logic. Trust me.

If your idea is truly unique, its probably a stupid idea.

And by your logic, if it's a unique invention, it's stupid. Gotta love the various levels of stupid you meet on ATOT.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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"Someone has already thought of it"... Really? SOMEONE has to be the first... Why couldnt it be the OP? Stop being so elitist

Id love to see all the known scientists like Einstein and Newton posting on ATOT back when they came up with their theories, I bet theyd get the same replies, hilarious
 

her209

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Back in 1999, I had this idea that you could combine the basic functions of a computer and a phone and put it into a mobile phone form factor!

:eek:
 

Gibson486

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Nah, the concept of an e-book was there before the internet. It's been there ever since pdf was made. See where i am getting at? Unless the invention is very concrete or extremely new, it's not worth doing a patent because by the time you get all work done, some one will already have had marketed your idea, but you can't collect because your patent was not specific enough. And if you can get a case in court out of it, the big company that implemented it will just drag the case until you are out of money.

I remember doing work for a start up. The founder told me that patents today are only for good highly technical ideas that go into products. If you have an idea for a product itself, then just make the product as fast as you can and sell the rights to the idea. The fact that you did all the engineering already will just make a company want to buy your product outright. It's all about surrounding yourself with the right people.

Also, you would be surprised. Companies sit on ideas. They wait for the right time to market them.
 
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disappoint

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The original Star Trek had e-books. Wouldn't even be surprised if someone else had the concept much earlier.

They also had cell phones first. Course they didn't call them that, but communicators instead. The concept was the same, handheld device to talk wirelessly. Course wireless radio was around long before that too.

What I'm getting at, as has already been mentioned, is ideas are a dime a dozen and execution is everything.

So if like you say you are no good at drawing or building these devices then you should find another line of work that you ARE good at, because drawing and building those devices is essential to be useful.

You are not going to become a millionaire just because you have an idea. Sorry that is a myth you need to forget about right now.

Grow up and get a real job.

If you're still not discouraged, in other words, you're a stubborn hard headed fool, or very very dedicated to making this a career (it's fine line between those two trust me) then do the following.

GET AN EDUCATION in an institution of higher learning.

I can tell by your post you either don't have one, or got one at a terribad school.

Get an engineering degree at an accredited institution.

Once you know more about the field you're interested in you can come up with useful ideas that may "benefit mankind" and your wallet which is what you're really interested in.

Also this might be useful to you: http://www.howtopatent.pro/poor-mans-patent-%E2%80%94-no-such-thing/

Here it tells you how to file for a patent yourself at the USPTO:
http://www.howtopatent.pro/

All told it will cost you at least $1300 in fees by the USPTO To file yourself.

You have to spend money to make money. If you REALLY believe in your idea you'll save up for it and do it.

Or use the poor man's patent and write it out in a notebook and have it notarized and signed by a notary the way it's outlined on that site. That will cost you considerably less but it's not a patent. Though it does offer you protection if it goes to court and it IS recognized by the USPTO.
 
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hoyaguru

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They also had cell phones first. Course they didn't call them that, but communicators instead. The concept was the same, handheld device to talk wirelessly. Course wireless radio was around long before that too.

What I'm getting at, as has already been mentioned, is ideas are a dime a dozen and execution is everything.

So if like you say you are no good at drawing or building these devices then you should find another line of work that you ARE good at, because drawing and building those devices is essential to be useful.

You are not going to become a millionaire just because you have an idea. Sorry that is a myth you need to forget about right now.

Grow up and get a real job.

If you're still not discouraged, in other words, you're a stubborn hard headed fool, or very very dedicated to making this a career (it's fine line between those two trust me) then do the following.

GET AN EDUCATION in an institution of higher learning.

I can tell by your post you either don't have one, or got one at a terribad school.

Get an engineering degree at an accredited institution.

Once you know more about the field you're interested in you can come up with useful ideas that may "benefit mankind" and your wallet which is what you're really interested in.

Also this might be useful to you: http://www.howtopatent.pro/poor-mans-patent-%E2%80%94-no-such-thing/

Well, I did have an invention where, when I asked a question on Anandtech, it weeded out the idiot's answers, but as you can see, it doesn't work very well.

Wouldn't it be nice if only people who could actually answer a question would respond on ATOT, but unfortunately, the chances are very hit or miss.

I can tell by your post that you're a back woods idiot with (at the most) 4 teeth, who got his education from re-runs of Lost in Space, as you're trying to answer a question that is WAY beyond your intellect, and coming up with off the wall generalizations and theories about me that are ludicrous in the extreme.

Also, this might be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYfM-frIWlQ