From Natural News: Vaccine bombshell: CDC whistleblower reveals cover-up

[Kadarin]

 

[OutHouse]

Thanks for posting this. As a health care professional with considerable knowledge on the subject I can say that this is what P&N is all about.

i thought you were a lawyer.

 

[OutHouse]

Remember those days when a doctor gave you a shot of penicillin?

I got strep a lot as a kid and yes i remember those shots in the ass. holy jesus did they hurt! once i saw the nurse pull out the metal syringe and the bottle of penicillin out of the fridge i know it was going to be a bad day.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I don't know anything about medicine, but I should avoid listening to:
- medical doctors who have had at least 7 years of school
- medical research
- medical studies
- medical institutions
- government agencies (usually made up of people who are or were part of the above 4) that oversee these things

,.. and, I should listen to people like the OP and the links of 'information' he provides.

 

[fskimospy]

I got strep a lot as a kid and yes i remember those shots in the ass. holy jesus did they hurt! once i saw the nurse pull out the metal syringe and the bottle of penicillin out of the fridge i know it was going to be a bad day.

I got one of those in boot camp and then we had to go running afterwards. That was not a fun day.

 

[OverVolt]

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[Theb]

Black babies get double

This is the only thread listed for that tag. Coverup confirmed.

 

[trenchfoot]

I got one of those in boot camp and then we had to go running afterwards. That was not a fun day.

Reminds me of my own experience: Caught a really nasty virus infection at the tail end of "zero week". Had a fever of 104-105 for two days and stayed bed-ridden in the hospital for another three. I got a shot the day after admittance that literally made my head spin and after the fever wouldn't go down I got "ice-olated" with cold packs in my armpits and between my legs for I-can't-remember-how-long. The worst part? I got recycled.

And to this very day I will not drink an ice filled cup of kool-aid ever, EVER again. Powdered fruit drink from the C-rats? that too. Even gatorade is on the no-can-do the list. FTS

 

[Brainonska511]

They do, each vaccine is usually trivalent or more. And they give 2-3 vaccines at a time. By the time a baby is 3 they've been exposed to a good 100 antigens. The vaccine schedule is fairly aggressive. It wasn't always that way. I personally had the older and later schedule and I turned out fine. The conspiracy nuts probably had the earlier and closer together schedule :awe:.

The number of antigens is practically irrelevant. On a daily basis, a child's immune system will be challenged by far more antigens in the environment than the number received through vaccination.

 

[OverVolt]

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[Brainonska511]

Yes I agree it depends how many times they elicit an immune response and run the risk of developing autoimmunity, like 6 vaccines by 2 months old.

To my knowledge, there have been no credible studies which link immune problems with the current vaccination schedule. And as I said, the immune system is challenged on a daily basis, far more times than vaccines on the schedule challenge it. To slow the rate of vaccination out of a misguided precautionary sense is detrimental to those that need vaccinations most.

 

[OverVolt]

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[Texashiker]

/grabs chair and popcorn

Waiting for anarchist420 and Texashiker to post in thread

I do not believe vaccines cause autism.

Chances are autism is some kind of reaction from chemical overload from food additives, coloring in our clothes,,,, and everything else.

Or, maybe our genes have reached a certain point where our race is going to die off?

 

[OverVolt]

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[Texashiker]

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/n...links-autism-to-autoimmune-disease-in-mothers

what is causing those autoimmune diseases?

 

[OverVolt]

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[zanejohnson]

see the whole problem with threads like this, is that, it is, complete and utter BS..

it's just a scare tactic, i dont know who spreads this stuff...


but the real problem is, the same people that post these kinds of threads usually post threads about how great pot is, for almost every ailment... which is true.

but because of threads like this, threads like that, dont get taken with the correct level of seriousness..

people see one medical conspiracy...and default to "oh, they must all be complete bs,"

when really there are valid VAST real conspiracys.....pot being one of the foremost.

 

[OverVolt]

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[Texashiker]

They don't know... thats kinda the point.

Between the lack of friendly bacteria to modulate the immune system (sterile food, antibacterial soap, sterile everything, no more truly fermented/cultured foods such as sauerkraut and yogurt made the old fashioned way, etc) AND everyone having all these antibodies to every possible pathogen ever IMO increases the risk in those genetically susceptible. There are so many autoimmune disorders that lots of people are going to be susceptible to one variety or another if exposed to enough pathogens.
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My personal non-scientific opinion, for over 200,000 years people are with dirty hands, drank creek and river water, ate barely cooked meat, ate forged rooted with dirt on them,,,,.

Then in the past 100 years we have running water, septic, (the romans had that also), antibacterial soap, and vaccines.

We no longer allow our kids to get exposed to pathogens.

Last weekend my grandkids were playing in a creek that runs close to my house. They were drinking the water straight out of the creek. They might get the squirts, but I feel that kind of exposure is good for them.

 

[zinfamous]

The only kind of bombshells that I pay attention to involve boobs.


....oh, wait. :hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

My personal non-scientific opinion, for over 200,000 years people are with dirty hands, drank creek and river water, ate barely cooked meat, ate forged rooted with dirt on them,,,,.

Then in the past 100 years we have running water, septic, (the romans had that also), antibacterial soap, and vaccines.

We no longer allow our kids to get exposed to pathogens.

Last weekend my grandkids were playing in a creek that runs close to my house. They were drinking the water straight out of the creek. They might get the squirts, but I feel that kind of exposure is good for them.

the part you forgot about those first 200,000 years, is that ave. life expectancy never crested ~45 (and for the first 95% of that time, was about 35). Infant/mother mortality was at an alarming 30%.

the last 100 years, though...I mean. facts.

This doesn't mean that I don't disagree with what you are suggesting. I think kids should be playing in the dirt and drinking creek water, and getting the shits every once in a while. These are good things. Nothing wrong with vaccines and antibiotics; just the misuse and abuse of them.

 

[OverVolt]

the part you forgot about those first 200,000 years, is that ave. life expectancy never crested ~45 (and for the first 95% of that time, was about 35). Infant/mother mortality was at an alarming 30%.

the last 100 years, though...I mean. facts.

Because life expectancy is an average people were't living to 45 they either died as an infant or lived to regular age until they were too slow and a tiger ate them.

The fastest way to boost life expectancy is a lower infant mortality rate. I think antibiotics and C-sections etc. are more responsible for that than vaccines. Vaccines are useful don't get me wrong. Polio and MMR are bad news.

 

[realibrad]

Because life expectancy is an average people were't living to 45 they either died as an infant or lived to regular age until they were too slow and a tiger ate them.

The fastest way to boost life expectancy is a lower infant mortality rate. I think antibiotics and C-sections etc. are more responsible for that than vaccines. Vaccines are useful don't get me wrong. Polio and MMR are bad news.

What was the most common way to die as an adult in the past? I know it was not tigers.

 

[zinfamous]

Because life expectancy is an average people were't living to 45 they either died as an infant or lived to regular age until they were too slow and a tiger ate them.

The fastest way to boost life expectancy is a lower infant mortality rate. I think antibiotics and C-sections etc. are more responsible for that than vaccines. Vaccines are useful don't get me wrong. Polio and MMR are bad news.

That is why I made sure to say average. But it's not like death in childhood or infant death were the only options at the time.

Social standing was a key factor--the wealthy--let's just say the pharoahs for their time, and think abotu their class in all cultures--had the ability to live separate lives from the populated centers of their kingdoms. Cloistered away from the diseases that ran rampant, and killed en masse. People actually did die of diseases that, today, are mild or non-existant.

Of course you had people living into their 80s and 90s, thousands of years ago. These were largely people cloistered in a very different class--and not exposed to rampant disease or man-eating predators as were the common people. ...And I really doubt that when civilization came about, predator death was as significant a factor as was disease brought on by population density.

The fact that infant death was all part of it, is also what I am saying (granted, much of this improvement has to do with developments in birthing and maternal care). Infants died of diseases that they simply don't die of now. Where once you had a life expectancy so low, especially amongst the common plebs, and such high infant/mother mortality (which largely affected the entire human population, regardless of class because, as you say, this was an improvement in maternity care/delivery protocol more than anything), those numbers simply do not exist in the modern world today.

 

[JimKiler]

Way, way out there.


Aaaah! They DO exist!

My sister-in-law worked for a time at a Michael Dunn Center. The vast majority of people there had developed extremely high fevers immediately after vaccination and suffered severe and lasting nervous system trauma, to the point of being forever unable to live outside of an institution. While extremely sad, this does not bother me regarding vaccines, for I know that if a very large number of people do absolutely nothing, some small number of them will develop horrible, debilitating illnesses for no apparent reason. This is life.

Exactly why my kids are vaccinated, no vaccine is perfect and the benefits outweigh the risks.