From Nation State to Empire State A Radical History of How We Got to Trump

Blackjack200

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The most powerful podcast episode I've ever heard. It's only 45 minutes long. Links to listen to the podcast through podcast apps, google play, etc. are available at the page linked below, along with the abstract I have bolded.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/05...ate-a-radical-history-of-how-we-got-to-trump/

Most analysis of Donald Trump’s election to the U.S. presidency in 2016 focuses on immediate causes and, of course, its effects. In a recent speech, NYU history professor Nikhil Pal Singh took a longer historical view, sketching three arcs of U.S. history that have yielded the durable commitments to racism, militarism, and unequal class power that have sharpened over the past two decades. Considering the historical development of the United States as an empire-state, rather than as a nation-state, he argues, is essential to understanding what it has meant, and what it might mean going forward, to bend the future toward greater equality and justice – both in the United States and in its relationship to the wider world. He argues that the election of Trump and the failure of Hillary Clinton may be the clearest signals yet, of the decline of U.S. empire. Rather than a cause for pessimism, he says, this moment is an opportunity to enliven a new politics and begin a new story — but only if we are honest about our past. Singh is the author of “Black is a Country” and “Race and America’s Long War.” He is also the founding co-director of NYU’s Prison Education Project. This speech was delivered on September 26 at the Lensic Theater in Santa Fe, New Mexico. The event was sponsored by the Lannan Foundation, which granted Intercepted permission to share it with our audience.
 
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nickqt

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The US has always been an Empire. It was founded by Empires, invading already-inhabited land, killing off the natives holocaust style (compare the concepts of "Manifest Destiny", and "Lebensraum"), and then followed with massive exploitation of the resources and inhabitants. The wealth was shipped back home early on, until the British colonies said fuck that, let's keep it.

They attempted to create a more loose coalition of individual nation-states, but it was extremely inefficient, and so the first constitution was thrown out, and a constitution was voted in (a coup, by the way, as the constitutional convention was supposed to amend, not replace, the Articles of Confederation) that specifically, on its face, established an Empire. Of course, we just say Federal Government, instead of Imperial Government.

What we need are leaders who have any semblance of the concept that Empires that keep expanding outwards, always collapse internally, and then decide that we're done expanding externally. And it doesn't require isolationism and ignoring the broader world. It just requires that we don't attempt to control everything to work out in favor for the people who own and operate the economy and Imperial Government for themselves, and to the detriment of pretty much everyone else.
 

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I still think it was a natural progression from the violence during the 60's.
A popular loved president shot dead in front of our eyes.
A popular and loved civil rights leader shot dead before our eyes.
A popular and loved brother and presidential candidate of an assassinated American president shot dead before our eyes.
Then that war, Vietnam where young men were drafted then slaughtered for a cause unworthy of such sacrifice. Bodies of sons in boxes returning to American families daily. A government misleading the American people about that war.
A US president corrupt, breaking the law, and forced to resign.
And not to mention 9/11.
None of the above was suppose to happen. Not in America.
We as Americans all believed that America had safeguards built-in to protect us from such events.
Politicians of the highest integrity.
A military that told us the truth.
A system that protected us from assassinations, hijacking commercial airlines, political deceit, political corruption.
But no.....
Nothing can happen that won't surprise us. That shouldn't happen.
Enter stage left, Donald Trump.
Elected by an America gone insane, an America still in shell shock, a world upside down.
Shet happens, but no one ever expected this shet and the shet above could ever happen....