From Foxnews: 1/3 of New Iraqi Army quits

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: sward666
250 out of 700 hardly seems like enough to wad up anybody's panties over.
Somebody at Faux News is going to get an earful from Herr Ailes over this report!
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: sward666
250 out of 700 hardly seems like enough to wad up anybody's panties over.

It is if 700 men is all you've got.
I'm saying that I don't think either number is high enough to consider representative, especially considering the other ~160,000 (if that number is accurate) Iraqi security forces.

 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: sward666
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: sward666
250 out of 700 hardly seems like enough to wad up anybody's panties over.

It is if 700 men is all you've got.
I'm saying that I don't think either number is high enough to consider representative, especially considering the other ~160,000 (if that number is accurate) Iraqi security forces.

But the Iraqi army was supposed to be the 1st fully trained force. Unlike the week to few days that other forces are getting this batallion has been training for months. They were supposed to be the beginning of a permament defense force rather than the limited temporary forces that compose the bulk of the other forces.
 

Czar

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when 1/3 of the company leaves that usualy mean that quite alot more are unhappy, troubling news
 

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But the Iraqi army was supposed to be the 1st fully trained force. Unlike the week to few days that other forces are getting this batallion has been training for months. They were supposed to be the beginning of a permament defense force rather than the limited temporary forces that compose the bulk of the other forces.
I wonder how many are in the second battalion, and how many of them will quit?

All I'm saying is that if, in May, 20K Iraqis have signed up and out of those, 7K have called it quits, I'll be concerned. Until then, I'll reserve judgment.
 

CaptnKirk

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If the 1/3 that quit used to be in the 'Old Iraqi Army', now they have gone through some of the training
that we introduced which will make them more dangerous to us & our allies, as well as having exposed
those members of the 'New Army' as participants in the reconstruction, which if they are still in an
alegiance with their 'Old Units' may in fact be the forces we will be fighting against - with more knowledge.

Trojan Horses come in many varieties.
Just last week or so there was a hit on a convoy of a bank currency move.
The US stance on it was it had to be an inside job, as only those who had
been trained by us knew it was going to happen, and they are pretty sure
that those we trained are the ones that put up the Stage Coach Robbery.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
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Something caught in your throat?

Here's another theory/added variable. In the olden days, you were conscripted into the Iraqi Army, probably given a gun, made to march a little bit and declared a soldier. I suspect our training and discipline standards are a wee bit higher. So most get fed up and quit. Good riddance.

$60 a month ain't much to fight against your own countrymen however...

 

tnitsuj

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$60 a month ain't much to fight against your own countrymen however...




Wait a minute. I thought we were up against terrorists and dead enders??

 

preslove

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$60 a month ain't much to fight against your own countrymen however...

With all the billions that saddam and crew took with them I bet the the insurgents are getting paid a whole lot more... 700 guerillas can do a hell of alot of damage.

peace, please?
 

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Does it strike anyone that we seem to be employing the "one day at a time" policy over in Iraq? It seems like whatever planning was done was sorely lacking, and we are almost being strictly reactionary. How could we undertake such a major project and be so poorly prepared (apparently) for everything we encounter?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Does it strike anyone that we seem to be employing the "one day at a time" policy over in Iraq? It seems like whatever planning was done was sorely lacking, and we are almost being strictly reactionary. How could we undertake such a major project and be so poorly prepared (apparently) for everything we encounter?
Kind of reminiscent of Dub's business adventures in the Oil Industry;)

 

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Yeah, I liked Newt's gripe about the whole US Amry standing as guards and being targets should not happen, and that Iraqis should stand in there for their place. I'm sure most of the 1/3 that quit, knew they were to take place of the American troop who was patroling before; hence making him the new "target." Heck if I knew I was to replace some dummy soldiers position in line to get shot at, I'd flee my butt out of there too.