From China with Love [G80, R600 and G81 info]

[imported_Crusader]

Thought this deserved its own post since I went to the work of compiling it and typing it up.. and since I made my Chinese friend scour the forums for me.

Details from Chinese tech sites on upcoming cards.. these people arent scared of NDAs like most of the world is.
Of course, not all of this is confirmed. But a lot of it makes sense, some of it is questionable. Thats all for you to decide.

G80
-GTS same length as the 7900GTX
-GTX is longer
-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)
-Vastly improved HDR performance
-A64 4000+ 3dmark06 9K
-C2Quadro 3dmark06 12K
-15K 3dmark06 score with 5ghz Conroe with the GTX (not SLI)
-Black PCB for retail G80s
-Have 512b MC on all G80s, but its disabled because GDDR4 is largely unavailable
-Nvidia might respin G80 on R600 launch to enable the full 512bit MC on R600 launch if needed
-The NV10 chip to the side of the main GPU is a 10bit/27mhz video DAC (possibly H.264 decoding)
-Extremely quiet operation
-$699 possible pricetag

G81
-June '07
-65nm
-GDDR4
-512bit MC

ATI R600
-This is ATIs last attempt, so its going to be good. And thats why they dont care about missing Christmas sales.. its the last from them like this (high end). After this, everything moves to a pro-AMD stance.
-16 layer PCB
-512bit MC
-8 Memory channels
-GDDR4
-Extremely hot (but AMD is helping with that big time currently)
-80nm
-Produced by TSMC


All in all (thoughts from the chinese)-
R600 will be a beast, but might not destroy G80 in performance regardless.. should be a very good match or beat G80, but as stated above, NV is thinking of respinning G80 on R600 launch if needed (to enable the full 512bit MC + GDDR4).. and G81 will be ready in June. Its not looking good for "ati" high end in the future, Nvidia wants to punish ATI one last time to end this charade once and for all now that AMD took over ATI.
The lads in China are calling it "The Final Product" on certain sites.

My thoughts-
X1950 Crossfire / 7900GTX SLI performance (or faster depending on benchmark) on a single card +DX10/SM4, faster HDR, HDR+AA on Nvidia with Nvidia driver support, unified shaders, 16x AA on single card, the Quantum Physics Engine, low power consumption considering the power/features (400watt total system for 7950GX2 vs 450watt for the 8800GTX), and the new cooler looks VERY nice and is rumored to have extremely quiet operation :thumbsup: .... is all phenomenal and thats what I was hoping for and expecting.

I'm not a big fan of the "waiting game" because its a game you cant really win. I'm buying G80 and buying G81 as well in June. Will skip the respin if Nvidia does that on R600 launch. Then after that I'll be buying G90 as well.
Also I thought I'd be set with the FX55 purchase, but looks like this card is the PERFECT match for any recent C2D build, as it must scale better than recent GPUs.

November 8th launch.. Geforce 8? HMMMM. Wonder if thats the launch date?
Geforce LAN 3 News

 

[Captante]

Wheres the option for sit tight & see what actually happens when these cards hit the shelves?

 

[soydios]

I hope R600 isn't the last ATi card. Unless, of course, it's replaced by a Torrenza chip.

 

[Stoneburner]

final card? worst fears confirmed....


i suppose not confirmed since we dont know what amdti is going to do and these are just rumors and what the hell do the chinese know anyway they have restrictions on their googling.

 

[Capt Caveman]

How about - None of the Above?

 

[Ayah]

I'll have to wait till they actually release them.

 

[theheartofwinter]

Nice one, Crusader. As for me, I cannot afford to keep buying video cards. Will buy the 8800GTX when I build a new gaming rig this Dec or January

 

[biostud]

the best 65nm GPU fall '07 is the earliest upgrade for me.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
How about - None of the Above?

Yeah isn't that an option?

 

[allies]

I wonder how much performance is gonna differ between the GTS/GTX. All the benchies we have right now appear to be the GTX.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

ill skip the upcoming gen and will wait for less power hungry chips. only way to teach those bastards that its not okay stealing my money with the power bill.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: soydios
I hope R600 isn't the last ATi card. Unless, of course, it's replaced by a Torrenza chip.

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
final card? worst fears confirmed....


i suppose not confirmed since we dont know what amdti is going to do and these are just rumors and what the hell do the chinese know anyway they have restrictions on their googling.

Who knows. I told my friend to get info not from people who are googling things (you and I can do that) but from people who have the cards, or claim to in China.
But from the looks of Fusion, the CPU and GPU teams at AMD are probably going to make sure that launch works as well as possible (among their other initiatives we dont know about probably a lot of portable stuff and platform development going on).
Not that AMD isnt helping big time with R600, the Chinamen "confirmed" that.

I'm guessing what they mean when they said "the final product" is the final product you or I would be truley interested in. Ultra high end, aggressive product.

Even then who knows? I dont, and it offends the ATI fanboys so much to assume the reality of ATI losing money on the high end for years now (and propping it up by stealing money from their other, more profitable business areas) means that AMD is probably not going to continue fighting a losing war... I'm done saying it myself.

But thats what the Chinese people who currently have G80 boards are saying, I'm guessing since all Radeon and Geforce products are put together in China, and obviously work with NV/ATI closely.. its a good bet alot of them have some inside info on the industry.

People living in the West are scared to death to break an NDA.
NDA means jack in China.. we (the west) are hopeless without China to produce cheap product.

Whats AMD or Nvidia going to do??? Stop doing business with the Chinese???? HAHA! Thats funny.
They do that and everyone and their mom will go over there and put both AMD and Nvidia out of business in probably 2 product cycles.

Originally posted by: Captante
Wheres the option for sit tight & see what actually happens when these cards hit the shelves?

Because they might sell out, and I cant have that! So its not an option in real life IMO so its not an option here! Haha.. but yeah. I guess I'm just excited about this chip the more I learn about it. I initially was going to SKIP G80. But now thats looking like the worst idea ever to me.

 

[Pabster]

G80 now, G81 in June. I can't wait. :laugh:

 

[Captante]

Meh... They'll sell out at first & then become available in greater numbers shortly afterwards so I'll be waiting the initial feeding frenzy out this time since I'm not having any trouble running the games I want to play at the moment... I only upgrade when performance in somthing I want to run begins to be a problem.

 

[XBoxLPU]

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Meh!

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Meh!

Is there a problem there? Double the performance of Sli'd and CF'd highest end cards... That is pretty awesome IMO, and it probably gets even better at higher resolutions with AA and stuff.

I for one can't wait

 

[josh6079]

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Do they mean 4xAA/8xAF or that 4xAA and 8xAA get the same 80 frames per second? Also, what was the AF for the 16xAA run? Is it different? If they don't care about NDA's why not just let us know everything?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

so they actually have a 512bit memory controller....wow. i did not expect that. i guess theyre waiting for R600 to appear, then up the bit-width

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: josh6079

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Do they mean 4xAA/8xAF or that 4xAA and 8xAA get the same 80 frames per second? Also, what was the AF for the 16xAA run? Is it different? If they don't care about NDA's why not just let us know everything?

34fps with 16 x AA at 1600x1200 well thats almost playable! good goin i say

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: josh6079

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Do they mean 4xAA/8xAF or that 4xAA and 8xAA get the same 80 frames per second? Also, what was the AF for the 16xAA run? Is it different? If they don't care about NDA's why not just let us know everything?

34fps with 16 x AA at 1600x1200 well thats almost playable! good goin i say

So much AA, above 4 is there even a noticable difference?

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: josh6079

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Do they mean 4xAA/8xAF or that 4xAA and 8xAA get the same 80 frames per second? Also, what was the AF for the 16xAA run? Is it different? If they don't care about NDA's why not just let us know everything?

34fps with 16 x AA at 1600x1200 well thats almost playable! good goin i say

So much AA, above 4 is there even a noticable difference?

Depends on the game, the size of the screen, and the resolution. 1600x1200 on a 19" CRT doesn't need a whole lot of AA to look good. 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD needs at least 4xAA to look decent, and even then you can't reproduce the detail level of the higher resolution. If 8xAA is totally playable with this card, I don't think too many people have a reason to be disappointed.

 

[josh6079]

34fps with 16 x AA at 1600x1200 well thats almost playable! good goin i say

That's not what I asked.

So much AA, above 4 is there even a noticable difference?

Depends on the game. But yes, there is a noticable difference, especially if you compare supersampling to multisampling.

 

[Captante]

Don't get me wrong ... If I was still running a 6800GT level gpu or was building a new system, I'd be all over G80 as soon as I could get my hands on one however my X1900XTX is doing just fine for now & won't be getting any slower the day G80 is released, so I won't be running to replace it any more then I dumped my X2 the day Conroe hit the shelves.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: Captante
Don't get me wrong ... If I was still running a 6800GT level gpu or was building a new system, I'd be all over G80 as soon as I could get my hands on one however my X1900XTX is doing just fine for now & won't be getting any slower the day G80 is released, so I won't be running to replace it any more then I dumped my X2 the day Conroe hit the shelves.

I'm in that position you just described - still running a 6800GT and need to upgrade soon to play Gothic 3, NWN2, Medieval 2, Bioshock, etc., so if I can actually find MSRP (assuming this card is the real deal) then I'll probably take it.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: josh6079

-FEAR 1600x1200: 16xAA @34FPS, 4x/8x @80FPS, No IQ options @130FPS (for reference 16x12 no AA/AF, X1950 Xfire is 124, 7900GTX SLI gets 139FPS)

Do they mean 4xAA/8xAF or that 4xAA and 8xAA get the same 80 frames per second? Also, what was the AF for the 16xAA run? Is it different? If they don't care about NDA's why not just let us know everything?

34fps with 16 x AA at 1600x1200 well thats almost playable! good goin i say

So much AA, above 4 is there even a noticable difference?

in BF2 maybe...that is one jaggy game even at 4xAA