Question From a Ryzen 5800X3D to Ryzen 7800X3D: Equivalent Pentium (P5/P5-MMX) Generation Upgrade?

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CP5670

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I never tried it on that, but it's probably even slower. Many old games behave like this too, they are bottlenecked by one thread in some areas.
 

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7800X3D vs 5800X3D (the numbers below fluctuate from workload to workload, but are still giving you a ballpark values)

Gaming : ~15-30% faster (with fastest GPUs)
ST: ~20-25% faster
MT: ~18-22% faster

In a nutshell :)
 

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I remember MMX CPUs being faster than non-MMX CPUs not for the MMX instruction set, but the increased L1 cache.
You are correct. The Pentium MMX lineup doubled L1 cache. I don't know what happened to cache latency (I wasn't nerdcore enough to notice at the time), but everyone I knew wanted the P5-MMX just for that improvement alone. The P5-233MMX was a competent chip, though still inferior to the Kalamath Pentium IIs that replaced it.

It was a pretty big deal.

Not long after the Pentium MMX chips came out, games and multimedia applications (notably MP3 playing'/encoding software) started requiring MMX just to run. It took a year or two but it did happen.
 

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My damaged brain fails me. I think I went from an OG Pentium 66 to a Pentium 166 MMX that I overclocked to 200MHz by moving a jumper on the board. Obviously it was a big performance upgrade all around.
 

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I remember MMX CPUs being faster than non-MMX CPUs not for the MMX instruction set, but the increased L1 cache.

i dont remember them being that much faster, albeit during that time, i think the way I tested processors up was to see how many windows you could possibly spam open at once.

I really didn't see the OMGBBQWTF until we saw celeron300a.
But i think the speed under most situations was barely noticeable because MMX really didnt do much at the beginning.

I do think the Pentium 2's were the coolest design with the slot config,.

Oh wait... Adam did you run a Cache Module on your P133?
This guy?

I know these guys helped A LOT.
All that speed could of came from that cache module.
This is probably why i didn't notice anything from 133 -> MMX.
 
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I remember MMX CPUs being faster than non-MMX CPUs not for the MMX instruction set, but the increased L1 cache.

Not only that - MMX-pentium has different integer pipelines which could dual-issue more instructions than OG pentium. MMX-pentium has something like 20% more IPC than OG - resulting that 166MMX is about equal speed of 200OG. And MMX-pentiums overclocked really well, it was not unusual to overclock 166mmx to 292(83*3.5) or later with ss7 mb's to 300 and over. I got mine to work 333 - a full 100% overclock.
 

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big thing is that the MMX needed new motherboards for the voltage regulator but kept the same platform other than that, 7800X3D is an entire new platform and format, performance gain is hard to judge and the MMX obviously had a lot of focus on the new instruction which is not the case with this new gen of Ryzen? so I don't see a lot of similarities
 

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And MMX-pentiums overclocked really well, it was not unusual to overclock 166mmx to 292(83*3.5) or later with ss7 mb's to 300 and over. I got mine to work 333 - a full 100% overclock.

They were hilariously good overclockers. Not only clock speeds increased, but also RAM speed and PCI speeds increased somewhat, resulting in sizeable gains in game like MDK or Quake :)

And yeah, they had more L1 cache. I remember checking out some 3D software "demo" with MMX from Intel's CD, that still ran horendously bad at 640x480 lol.
 

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I think im losing it...
I really do not recall the 133 being that much faster then a 133 MMX.
I did have a cache module for both tho.

I think it was more commonly called the pipeline burst cache module, which was that cache on a stick thing i linked above.

I know the cpu became a whole lot different and faster with those modules so i always would run them until intel decided to get rid of them and put the cache directly on the cpu.

I do know again that when i went from a P-233 to a Celeron300A that glob smacked me. The Celeron300A made me so regret my purchase in a Pen 2 - 400, that i quickly sold it.
With the money i saved i ended up getting a voodoo card, then i was introduced to the root of all evil... the GPU.
 

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i dont remember them being that much faster, albeit during that time, i think the way I tested processors up was to see how many windows you could possibly spam open at once.

I really didn't see the OMGBBQWTF until we saw celeron300a.
But i think the speed under most situations was barely noticeable because MMX really didnt do much at the beginning.

I do think the Pentium 2's were the coolest design with the slot config,.

Oh wait... Adam did you run a Cache Module on your P133?
This guy?

I know these guys helped A LOT.
All that speed could of came from that cache module.
This is probably why i didn't notice anything from 133 -> MMX.
Never had the MMX Pentium. Went from a Pentium 166C to a K6-2 300MHz. I believe I did have a cache module on the 166MHz Pentium. 256KB if I remember correctly.
 
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I was PC-less for two years as punishment from my father for not making it into med school. Pentium 133 non-MMX and then two years later, I enroll into Comp Sci and get the Pentium II 266 (or was it 300?) which I later upgraded to Celery 700 MHz with a slot adapter. The two super fast sensations from that time of life that stuck with me, overclocking the Celery to 1.05 GHz whenever I needed the extra speed (mostly for playing Doom 3) and the rush I felt watching my friend's P4 2.4 GHz Northwood installing MS Office in less than 5 minutes. Also experienced an Athlon XP 1700+ at the time on someone's PC but it didn't scream like the Northwood. Most recent similar "wow that's crazy fast" experience was Alder Lake.
 

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The first time i felt my PC being fast...
When i ran wing commander and since it had no frame limiter, the moment i went out of the tigers claw i crashed into an asteriod, because the game was being played like someone hit the fast forward button at 8x.

Then i realized i had a beast of a machine.... for a while... then came elder scrolls series, and it was FML all over again, and then lets not even get into what happened when oblivion and later on crysis came out later.
 
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When comparing the upgrade from a Ryzen 5800X3D to a Ryzen 7800X3D in terms of the Pentium (P5/P5-MMX) generation, it would not be equivalent to going from a Pentium 133 to a Pentium 166 MMX. The Ryzen processors belong to a different generation and architecture compared to the Pentium processors. The performance improvement and overall capabilities between the Ryzen 5800X3D and 7800X3D would depend on factors such as clock speeds, core count, and architectural enhancements specific to each processor. It is not possible to directly correlate the Ryzen upgrade with the Pentium upgrade in terms of performance gains.

Are you another bot?
 
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Are you another bot?
- Is this to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation or the so called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil, involuntary dilation of the iris.
- We call it Voight-Kampff for short.
- Demonstrate it, I want to see it work.
- Where's the subject?
- I want to see it work on a person, I want to see the negative before I provide you with the positive.
- What's that gonna prove?
- Indulge me...
 

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- Is this to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation or the so called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil, involuntary dilation of the iris.
- We call it Voight-Kampff for short.
- Demonstrate it, I want to see it work.
- Where's the subject?
- I want to see it work on a person, I want to see the negative before I provide you with the positive.
- What's that gonna prove?
- Indulge me...

Not sure what you are getting at here. Regarding Harisson Ford and that movie, well it was before I was even alive. I remember making jokes though about "Air Force One" and "Get off my plane!".
 

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Not sure what you are getting at here.
In the movie they have a test to detect replicants, designed to provoke certain involuntary reactions. The scene presents a major corpo owner who is tuning his products to pass the test. He asks the protagonist to test his assistant Rachel, who is unaware of her condition. The question you asked simply reminded me of the story, I wasn't insinuating anyhting or trying to get any response from you.

That post above better be form a bot, otherwise the author will have a horrible time in the years to come.
 
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The performance improvement and overall capabilities between the Ryzen 5800X3D and 7800X3D would depend on factors such as clock speeds, core count, and architectural enhancements specific to each processor.
That's the line that is a dead giveaway of generative AI. The rest is actually not bad.
 

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In the movie they have a test to detect replicants, designed to provoke certain involuntary reactions. The scene presents a major corpo owner who is tuning his products to pass the test. He asks the protagonist to test his assistant Rachel, who is unaware of her condition. The question you asked simply reminded me of the story, I wasn't insinuating anyhting or trying to get any response from you.

That post above better be form a bot, otherwise the author will have a horrible time in the years to come.

I guess I should've watched the full clip. Based on your sentence, it almost sounds like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". I haven't seen the original, but have seen the 1978 version and the crappy later one.

I once had a boss who told us that if he asked us to do (insert stupid task here), he had been replaced by a pod person.
 

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I love both of the movies, but the game is a mixed bag and may be better to watch an LP of than play. It's easy to get stuck because you didn't do some unrelated thing somewhere else, and some key aspects of the story are set by random variables that change with every playthrough.
 
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3rd generation by semiconductor process. (.8 -> .6 -> 0.35 μm)
6th generation by Pentium design. (P5 -> P54 -> P54C -> P54C/CQS -> P54CS -> P55C). And that is 6th gen if you ignore P24 used in 486 boards as Pentium Overdrive, otherwise kind of a 7th gen.
 
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