I sold most of my blu-ray collection and will be selling a few more later this week and if I can sell my 780ti video card as well I can possibly afford a 980ti. I right now have a 780ti and my CPU is an i7-4930k which is still good CPU by today's standards so I think I will stick with my CPU as most games are more GPU limited that CPU limited anyways. Will be 980ti be worth it from a 780ti?
From a 780ti to a 980ti, worth it?
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RaistlinZ
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The 980 Ti is not as great a card as the GTX 980 was, in my view. The GTX 980 has/had amazing power/perf when it came out. The GTX 980 Ti is much louder/less efficient.
Of course if you only care about performance, this won't matter, but I'd say you probably don't need to upgrade yet. Pascal ought to be out in Q1 2016. Are there any games that will really stress your GPU? Not that I can think of. Witcher 3 was probably the most GPU-intensive game of 2015.
From what I've read, Battlefront runs amazingly well on GPUs like GTX 680 so with a 780 Ti you won't have to worry whatsoever.
MGS (if you like those games) will also be running amazingly well if the Ground Zeroes minigame is any indication. R6, The Division, etc are all have more recommended hardware specs these days.
The big title of 2016 - if it comes out next year at all - will be Star Citizen. But from now to Pascal, I don't see a title that you'd need a GTX 980 Ti to really enjoy at highest quality. That was and still remains Witcher 3 where ultra on 1440p can bring down any high-end GTX 980 Ti to barely hit 60 fps on stock speeds.
TL;DR. Save for Pascal. Most of the games coming out seem to be fairly modest in GPU requirements. The big unknown was Battlefront but from the talk from the alpha testers, it seems very well optimised(of course big caveat here, so was the BF3 beta and we all know what happened after that. But if that game is not well optimised, a GTX 980 Ti won't save you).
Of course if you only care about performance, this won't matter, but I'd say you probably don't need to upgrade yet. Pascal ought to be out in Q1 2016. Are there any games that will really stress your GPU? Not that I can think of. Witcher 3 was probably the most GPU-intensive game of 2015.
From what I've read, Battlefront runs amazingly well on GPUs like GTX 680 so with a 780 Ti you won't have to worry whatsoever.
MGS (if you like those games) will also be running amazingly well if the Ground Zeroes minigame is any indication. R6, The Division, etc are all have more recommended hardware specs these days.
The big title of 2016 - if it comes out next year at all - will be Star Citizen. But from now to Pascal, I don't see a title that you'd need a GTX 980 Ti to really enjoy at highest quality. That was and still remains Witcher 3 where ultra on 1440p can bring down any high-end GTX 980 Ti to barely hit 60 fps on stock speeds.
TL;DR. Save for Pascal. Most of the games coming out seem to be fairly modest in GPU requirements. The big unknown was Battlefront but from the talk from the alpha testers, it seems very well optimised(of course big caveat here, so was the BF3 beta and we all know what happened after that. But if that game is not well optimised, a GTX 980 Ti won't save you).
That is for you to decide.
If it was me, I would do it. But i would get an aftermarket 980ti and run it overclocked.
The 980ti stock crushes the 780ti. But at 1400mhz boost clocks, it demolishes it.
I for sure would, if it was me.
50% stock for stock increase over the 780TI. I would say yes, gonna upgrade myself from 780TI to 980TI so might be biased.
Sabrewings
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Do you have anything to support this? Everything I've see in the pipeline suggests late Q2 to early Q3 2016 due in combination to node yields and HBM 2.
The 980 is and was a terrible, terrible buy. $550 for the xx60 chip, now $500. Hardly faster than a chip that costs hundreds less (290x, 290 and 970).
The 980 Ti is a vastly better chip than the 980. Better priced (even at $650), much better performance, and it's not a pretend high end chip -- its the real deal.
If you're not gaming at least 1440P, or 1080P with 120+ hz, don't bother. The jump from 670 to 970 really wasn't all that evident in 95% of my favorite games (1080p 60hz) . It only takes 5% though.
If you do upgrade, get the 980ti, and not the 980.
If you do upgrade, get the 980ti, and not the 980.
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tweakboy
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Nope, dont do it... Keep your 980 and OC it and enjoy. You can even play @ 4k resolution if the system is powerful enough. thx
@ 1440P it was very worth. I went from "ghz" 780, that is a tiny bit slower than 780ti ref. And it really feels - Nvidia is very generous with Maxwell OC, my custom 980ti is ~33% faster than stock, meaning it has ~50-70% real advantage in games.
@1440 you will be fooling yourself to think if 780ti is enough for latest games...
@1440 you will be fooling yourself to think if 780ti is enough for latest games...
Easily. 980 Ti is a killer card if you game at 1440p or above.
For 1080p@60Hz I'd stick with the 780 Ti though.
For 1080p@60Hz I'd stick with the 780 Ti though.
What a crock
As much as some people try to rewrite history, there is always apt he inescapable truth.
When the 980 launched, it stomped all over the 290x in every metric - while being the same price. The terrible buy was the 290x, which AMD was so reluctant to drop prices on that their third party vendors had to absorb the loses.
When the gtx980 launched, the 780ti was a terrible buy, costing 200$ more for less performance.
Sure, the 980 didn't do much to move the bar in absolute performance. But it did shake up the upper tier segment a pretty significant amount....all in one swoop.
It wasn't until the gm204 launched that we started seeing extremely crazy low priced Hawaii chips as AMD partners had stock piles of graphic cards they couldn't sell. It wasn't until the gm204 launched that AMD markets hare dropped to 25% and then even lower.
Sure looks like you have a lot of reasons to hate the gtx980 and the significant impact it had on AMD. But get your facts straight.
The 980 launched and set a new bar for the upper tier cards. It smashed the price vs performance landscape it launched in and remained in that slot for 9months. The 980 lost barely any value since then. What a dud, hahahah
You really must be kidding, right?
It was months later when AMD had to fire sale off their stock piles of cards that just were not moving. Selling huge cards for mid range prices, this wasn't the case before the 980. This wasn't the 980 looking silly, it was AMD desperately trying to move product. And even still, they continued to loose marketshare.
Of course you will want to pretend that the 980 was insignificant, it it was a dud. Of course you need to downplay and minimize it. It's kind of funny to watch people rewrite history in some desperate attempt to feel better about the situation.
Sorry for the off topic post,
As for the OP, I don't think I seen him hint at getting a 980 anyway, he specifically said 980ti.
I would not bother with a 980 if I had a 780ti. The 980ti, I would be all over it
RussianSensation
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He is not kidding. His post is spot on, you are wrong as you have been for the last 10 months defending the mid-range GTX980 that should have been a $399 card from day 1. I won't repeat what I said already in another forum thread. It's easy to pick on the 290X at $550 but the reality is after-market R9 290X were selling for $450 before 980 even launched, and after-market R9 290 cards = reference 290X sold for $350-375 for 3-4 months before 980 launched. Your post fails to acknowledge any of that information. 980 didn't revolutionize anything in terms of price/performance. 780Ti sold for $375-400 just weeks after it launched, easily trouncing 980 in price/performance. The card that really had the biggest impact on the market September 2014 was the $330 GTX970.
In regard to the 980, it will forever be an over-priced mid-range card no matter how much you want to defend it. Today, it gets absolutely leveled by a 980Ti for barely more $ despite you claiming for the last 9 months how it wasn't worth waiting for NV's/AMD's next gen true flagship cards. Today a 980 is barely faster than a 390X which is nothing more but an after-market 290X and after-market 980Ti cards with proper 1400-1500mhz overclocks will destroy a 980 by 40%+ in GPU demanding situations. In hindsight 980 was a rip-off at $550 and it continues to be a rip-off at $475.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37539433&postcount=144
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As far as the OP goes, if you are itching for a new upgrade, enjoy the 980Ti and it should be a great upgrade. There is a bigger difference in performance between a 980Ti and 780Ti than there is between a 780Ti and an R9 280X/HD7970Ghz and a lot of people upgraded from an HD7970Ghz to a 780Ti with positive feedback.
At current prices, I think the EVGA Classified is very attractive at $700 or perhaps grab the Zotac AMP! for $650 and just overclock it manually. Lots of good 980Ti cards as long as you stay clear of the reference model that runs hot, loud and is an inferior overclocker against after-market cards. I would suggest overclocking your CPU though to get that last 5-10% of performance in an overclocked 980Ti.
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You seem to be rewriting history here. 980 didn't shake up anything. 970 is the card that moved up price/performance in a big way and caught a lot of people by surprise. 970 is what put the hurt on AMD.
At 66% over a 970, 980 was terrible value when it released.
It's in no-mans land right now. At $500 the 980 is in the middle of 970/980ti but the performance is much closer to a 970, it's a pointless card.
Yeah, too bad you guys don't realize the difference between your opinion and Facts.
The 980 has been a very popular card, despite your negative opinions. You can keep dogging on it but deep down inside i think you know it was far more popular than any other brands top tier product. It was a wildly successful flagship for nvidia that retained most of its value for 9 months.
Do yourself a favor and check out what used gtx980s are selling for on eBay, such a terrible failure of a card.....yeah! Sure pal. Sure.
your opinions don't mean anything to the real world. You guys are sounding really really silly.
This reminds me of Wayne's World,
"We broke up 3 months ago........."
My opinion on your opinion: delusion
No matter how much of a failure you believe the 980 was, it doesn't matter. The reality is, it was a hugely successful flagship.
No matter what you say the 980 should have been priced, you are completely wrong, reality happen. There is no debate.
Your opinion has not the slightest basis in reality, you cannot change what happened, but you can put your fingers in your ears and keep repeating nonsense.
The 980 has been a very popular card, despite your negative opinions. You can keep dogging on it but deep down inside i think you know it was far more popular than any other brands top tier product. It was a wildly successful flagship for nvidia that retained most of its value for 9 months.
Do yourself a favor and check out what used gtx980s are selling for on eBay, such a terrible failure of a card.....yeah! Sure pal. Sure.
your opinions don't mean anything to the real world. You guys are sounding really really silly.
This reminds me of Wayne's World,
"We broke up 3 months ago........."
My opinion on your opinion: delusion
No matter how much of a failure you believe the 980 was, it doesn't matter. The reality is, it was a hugely successful flagship.
No matter what you say the 980 should have been priced, you are completely wrong, reality happen. There is no debate.
Your opinion has not the slightest basis in reality, you cannot change what happened, but you can put your fingers in your ears and keep repeating nonsense.
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Sho'Nuff
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For me it was. Went from a superclocked 780TI to a stock 980TI and the performance difference in most games was very noticeable at 1400p.
You realize, you don't either right? You just keep hammering on how wildly succesful the 980 is. And I'm sure the 980 has been an incredible card, for padding Nvidia's margins anyway.
Even if Nvidia sold 50 million 980's, it doesn't change that it's a bad buy. Success has nothing to do with value.
And you don't need anything more than the numbers to prove it:
September 2014
980 cost 166% of 970 for 117% performance.
June 2015
980Ti costs 130% of 980 for 130% performance.
980 costs 156% of 970 for 117% performance.
980 was/is in a very bad place on the price/performance curve.
xthetenth
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People buy a lot of things. Sometimes they even choose well.
The 980 is like NV dropped the 980 Ti and Titan X at the same time, it's just wildly overpriced in comparison to the benefit it offers.
Do what?
Success has nothing to do with value? Are you trying to educate me or something? I think you should perhaps think a little bit more on this.
Value isn't a dollar amount.
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How you value the card drastically differs from the millions who bought it.
Your opinion of it does not mean much because it is a fact that it was a very popular card that sold very well. As an item of purchase, it's success is measured in the amount of units sold.
You say it was a terrible buy, which is your opinion
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