Frist: Taliban should be part of Afghan government

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hey at least they are trying something new

Really now, I think the idea is to get them involved in the political process. Just like we are doing with both Shias and Shiites in Iraq.
If they feel like they have a part in the way the country runs they are more likely to put down their guns and join in the running of the country.

Of course I am not sure how good of an idea it is to invite such a radical and violent group into the government, look at how that has affected Lebanon and the Palestinians.

Maybe they are operating on the idea that long term the people will turn away from such radicals and embrace a more open style of life. We see this in every radical Muslin country, when people are given a choice they embrace the freedom of a more western style of life.

First you want to get the terrists, now you want to invite them to our backyards and let them attack us? Looks like the Republicans are being Soft and going easy on the Terrists.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
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How the hell is this a repost?

This topic created on: 10/02/2006 7:29 PM
Your topic created on: 10/02/2006 10:52 PM

STFU with your FUD.

 

[LegendKiller]

What a great idea. Since we f'd up Afghanistan because we just had to attack a country that didn't attack us, nor had anything to do with an attack against us, we will not just let the people who DID help people attack us control a country with massive drug revenue and large pieces of land to train more terrorists.

I take this as one more sign that we have completely shot ourselves in the wang in regards to 9/11. We have now admitted that we couldn't even depose and destroy the government that aided those who attacked us. We killed the government that didn't attack us, but now both are getting stronger again.

Great job Bush. You didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't catch the Taliban Leader. You haven't secured Iraq. You didn't find WMD. You are creating more terrorists. Now your own party wants to concede defeat while killing more Iraqis.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Afghanistan doesn't have oil... who cares what happens there?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Afghanistan doesn't have oil... who cares what happens there?

Ah ha! But they are building part of a pipeline from one of the old russian republics to their north to carry NG out to the Indian Ocean.

Linky

 

[sandorski]

He has something of a point, but how does this jibe after years of rhetoric? This is close to on par with just putting Saddam back in power in Iraq, anyone suggesting that seriously would be his target.

 

[babylon5]

Osama will be the President?

 

[Lemon law]

This was an accidental post.

But might as well say that this about the Afgani people--and not us.

And the Tailban---however nutty---is saner that what we offer them.
Which is warlordism, anarchy, opium production, corruption, and slogans.

 

[Rainsford]

OMG, Frist is emboldening our enemies! Or possibly using his brain for once...I realize the two are easy to confuse

Seriously though, he's obviously gearing up for a run at the Presidency in 2008...trying to appear less like the crazy nutjob he is and appeal more to moderates. We'll see if it works...

 

[DaveSimmons]

So US soldiers died to free Afghanistan from the Taliban, now Frist wants to give it back?

Quite a flip-flop after rubberstamping every Bush adminstration order up until now.

Too bad he and Bush didn't think things through to reach this conclusion before wasting a trillion dollars and more American lives than were lost on 9/11.

 

[Hacp]

Republicans are soft on terror.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Republicans are soft on terror.

lol!!

 

[Lemon law]

No on the Republicans are not necessarily being soft on terror--they just are idiots--and understand nothing about Afganistan---or the appeal the Tilban has---but initially Mullah Omer was willing to turn Osama over to the US---then Osama both saved Mullah Omer from an assination plot---and also assinated the tailban arch enemy--the charismic leader of the Northern Alliance---Moussoud---a few days later, Osama then pulled off 911 another few days later.---talk about being on a roll.

The damn ignorant Tailban had no idea the US would be so pissed---and were as surprised as anyone else that 911 happened---but the notion that the Tailban appproved of or partisipated in 911 is absurd---but they sure paid the price when they had the termerity to refuse to turn Ossama Bin Laden over---and were stupid enough to think being a sovereign country gave them that right.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

The damn ignorant Tailban had no idea the US would be so pissed---and were as surprised as anyone else that 911 happened---but the notion that the Tailban appproved of or partisipated in 911 is absurd---but they sure paid the price when they had the termerity to refuse to turn Ossama Bin Laden over---and were stupid enough to think being a sovereign country gave them that right.

That is a whole seperate debate.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hey at least they are trying something new

Really now, I think the idea is to get them involved in the political process. Just like we are doing with both Shias and Shiites in Iraq.
If they feel like they have a part in the way the country runs they are more likely to put down their guns and join in the running of the country.

Of course I am not sure how good of an idea it is to invite such a radical and violent group into the government, look at how that has affected Lebanon and the Palestinians.

Maybe they are operating on the idea that long term the people will turn away from such radicals and embrace a more open style of life. We see this in every radical Muslin country, when people are given a choice they embrace the freedom of a more western style of life.

That's your Western POV. To others it was necessary since they are a popular reality. In other words, deal with reality in those countries rather than thousands of miles away.

Funny, is this principle also applied to Israel, or are you a person of double-standards? I mean, Israel, surrounded by hostile countries and subject to almost daily attacks, couldn't possibly employ the retaliation standards of, err, Iceland?

Regardless, the West seeks a 'nice' solution, but they won't get it when it comes to radical Muslims or illiterate, tribal population, both found in vast quantities in Iraq, Afghanistan and everywhere else in the Muslim/Arab world. There's no nice solution, only a lesser evil. Saddam, as bad as he was, was probably better than leaving those people to take care of their own. They are sheep who need a shepard, however brutal this shepard might be.

 

[OS]

maybe we should give iraq back to saddam, lol

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: OS
maybe we should give iraq back to saddam, lol

He did get 99% of the vote

They can have him, at least he can keep the Sunni v Shia violence to zero.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Maybe he should go back to being a doctor...thats when I liked him.

Did you like him playing doctor... I mean giving expert opinion in the Teri Shiavo case?

Needless to say, Taliban in the gov. will be like Hezbollah in Lebanon: the gov. won't be able to do anything against them, and if someone criticizes them, well, they might hear a ticking sound then next time they get in their car.

This would be akin to allowing the Nazis back into German politcs/government. The Taliban most certainly did harbor Bin Laden and Al Queada and if the President and Republicans really cared about terrorism would oppose them entering any form of government unless they clearly stated and maintained a different ideology than the one they have followed. Oh well, idealism aside, the political reality is that they will probably have to play a role at some point and as soon as the US/Nato pulls out or back the Taliban will probably be in control again.

You really should read up on your knowledge of WW2 history. Anyone who had anything to do with the extermination camps or the SS was banned from holding public office or jobs. Ever other German Nazi official who had no role in the previous example above was allowed back into office to run the country. German ex-Nazi members were our biggest allies and supporters when it came to stopping the influence of the Soviet Union in post war Germany. One of the founding members of our own CIA was a leading figure the NAZI intelligence services during WW2.