Fringe Season 4

[wty]

Mark this thread.
Just watched Season 4 Ep7.After 2 months,I'll download the rest EPs and watch them but not now.
Like this drama,also colonel sheppard joined ,very good.

 

[Glitchny]

apparently they did similar in previous season's 19th episode. will have to go back and check.

They use episode 19 as the "experimental" episode. Last season it was the LSD cartoon episode where they went inside Olivia's mind.

Mark this thread.
Just watched Season 4 Ep7.After 2 months,I'll download the rest EPs and watch them but not now.
Like this drama,also colonel sheppard joined ,very good.

Shep joins for about 5min.

The show hasn't been cancelled yet, or renewed so nobody is quite sure what is going on. Last rumor was that it might be getting a 13 episode final season similar to Chuck. They have also filmed 2 versions of the season 4 finale, 1 if it is renewed and 1 that wraps up most of the story-lines.

Episode 19, the flash to the future episode, is also supposed to set up what season 5 will be about if it does happen.

 

[lupi]

that was a very cool ep too. rather funny how they got around the nemoy no longer physically acts challenge.

 

[Kadarin]

Actually, S4E19 (I have not yet seen S4E20) is so far the only Fringe episode I've ever been truly disappointed in. To me it totally mischaracterizes the Observers and their motivations, and thus defies credibility. (I suspend disbelief for all the ridiculous "science" in the series, as that is the premise of the series.)

In this episode, the Observers are essentially people from the future who happen to be bald and wear gray suits; otherwise, they have basic human emotions. Everywhere else in the series, they are quite a bit different from humanity as it is now, and were an enigma. It just doesn't fly, somehow.

 

[NeoV]

Announced today - Fringe will be back for a 5th and FINAL season

 

[Glitchny]

Actually, S4E19 (I have not yet seen S4E20) is so far the only Fringe episode I've ever been truly disappointed in. To me it totally mischaracterizes the Observers and their motivations, and thus defies credibility. (I suspend disbelief for all the ridiculous "science" in the series, as that is the premise of the series.)

In this episode, the Observers are essentially people from the future who happen to be bald and wear gray suits; otherwise, they have basic human emotions. Everywhere else in the series, they are quite a bit different from humanity as it is now, and were an enigma. It just doesn't fly, somehow.

They have had emotions for awhile now. There is an entire episode devoted to an observer who cares for/loves a random girl and is determined to save her. The observer, September, didn't erase peter because he didn't feel it was right. They have expressed regret and sorrow on multiple occasions. The young observer kid displays emotions as well, emotions are not new to the observers in any fashion.

And considering we have had no idea about the observers motivations, you can't really say this is uncharacteristic of them. We never new what they were up to, so the future reveal is completely acceptable. They are from 600+ years in the future, so they are still quite a bit different than humanity now, they are obviously more evolved/changed from present day humanity.

 

[Kadarin]

Announced today - Fringe will be back for a 5th and FINAL season

 

[Dulanic]

Very happy it will get a ending instead of just canceled.

 

[Ns1]

Low ratings be damned — cult favorite Fringe will finish its multi-universe journey with a 13-episode final season. As expected, Fox has closed a deal to renew the sci-fi drama for a fifth season. While a dismal ratings performer in live viewing, Fringe has been a big DVR gainer and a favorite of critics as well as Fox brass. “Fringe has been a point of pride for me, I share the fans’ passion for the show,” Fox entertainment president Kevin Reilly said in January at TCA, where he also made it clear that a renewal hinged on renegotiating the deal with producing studio Warner Bros TV and J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot at a lower license fee. “We lose a lot of money on the show,” Reilly said. “We are not in the business of losing money, so we’re trying to figure out if there a number at which we can continue with the series.” After lengthy negotiations over the past couple of months, the two sides came to an agreement, giving the show and its fans a proper ending. “We are thrilled and beyond grateful that Fox – and our fans – have made the impossible possible: Fringe will continue into a fifth season that will allow the series to conclude in a wild and thrilling way,” series co-creator/executive producer JJ Abrams said. Here is a trailer for Fringe‘s upcoming Season 5:

http://youtu.be/gvWqOZL8JXA

Good on Fox.

 

[Glitchny]

http://youtu.be/gvWqOZL8JXA

Good on Fox.

YAY

 

[lupi]

only half a season order though

 

[Doppel]

only half a season order though

Half a season too much. This show lost its way and became a car stuck in the mud churning its wheels. Sad, really. Once both dimensions started working together to solve crimes the show went head first into the toilet.

 

[Glitchny]

only half a season order though

That isn't a bad thing necessarily. Condensing the amount of episodes often leads to less filler episodes and more story/quality episodes.

Half a season too much. This show lost its way and became a car stuck in the mud churning its wheels. Sad, really. Once both dimensions started working together to solve crimes the show went head first into the toilet.

Really? Completely disagree. I've loved seeing the alternate versions work with the team from our side and the subtle differences in the characters. The return of DRJ has been great, the story with Peter being written out of the timeline was interesting. So far it's been pretty steady for me. I know a lot of people didn't get/like the whole re-writing the timeline and changing people because Peter wasn't there. But I thought it was a very interesting thing to do, to see how important he was to everyone and how much he shaped things.

To each his own.

 

[Doppel]

it just felt like they were making the entire thing up as they went along honestly.

 

[MH2007]

Actually, S4E19 (I have not yet seen S4E20) is so far the only Fringe episode I've ever been truly disappointed in. To me it totally mischaracterizes the Observers and their motivations, and thus defies credibility. (I suspend disbelief for all the ridiculous "science" in the series, as that is the premise of the series.)

In this episode, the Observers are essentially people from the future who happen to be bald and wear gray suits; otherwise, they have basic human emotions. Everywhere else in the series, they are quite a bit different from humanity as it is now, and were an enigma. It just doesn't fly, somehow.

Keep in mind that the scientific team (Observers with names corresponding with the names of the months) are only a small portion of their population. For comparison, you can't just look at scientists (Walter, Walternate, Bell) and be surprised when other people act dramatically different from the way they do. Also there were Observers literally all over the place, the vast majority of them didn't act in any obvious way differently that the Observers we saw before, there were obviously some Observers who were sadistic but this could have been learned behavior from the Loyalists (face-tattooed humans dressed as Nazis that were the Observers' lackeys).

One other thing is that we don't know Observer life span and they do require space to live. They explained that the future polluted Earth could no longer support their numbers so the stress of overpopulation that prompted them to occupy 2015 Earth could have changed them.

 

[MH2007]

http://youtu.be/gvWqOZL8JXA

Good on Fox.

Kevin Reilly had explicitly stated in the past that Fringe was losing them money, so the deal was undoubtedly contingent on Warner Brothers conceding and giving them a lower fee per episode. Based on the current ratings Fox knows how much they can charge for commercials so they know how high they can afford to pay WB

For Warner Brothers there are several considerations that could make them give Fox a low fee even though they lose money in the short run.

1) Half season of episodes but selling DVDs and Blu Ray for season 5 at full price or maybe just 25% less than full price (stuff the box with extra features)
2) More episodes, higher syndication profits
3) They are currently about 89 episodes. (EDIT: actually, 87 episodes. The pilot was two hours however, so in syndication that would be 88 episodes, typically the minimum for syndication.) Once you get over 100 episodes stripping comes into play. This is Monday to Friday syndication (EDIT: typically that syndication is for half hour comedies but sometimes you do see hour long dramas syndicated Mon to Fri. For example many shows on TNT are hour long dramas syndicated Mon to Fri). Basically more options for syndication.

EDIT:
4) Warner Bros has ownership of several networks (CW, TNT, TBS) so they could already be planning some form of syndication for Fringe

 

[lupi]

syndication is the big answer

 

[OrByte]

This is a good show.

that is all...

 

[MH2007]

syndication is the big answer

Yes, that is definitely a factor in Warner Bros decision. After season four they will have 87 episodes. The pilot was two hours so for syndication purposes they will have 88 episodes, typically the minimum for syndication.

With thirteen more episodes after season five they'll have 100 episodes (not including the extra hour from the pilot), this is more attractive for syndication, especially for stripping (Mon through Fri syndication).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_syndication#Strip.2Fdaily_syndication

Off-network syndication can take several forms. The most common form is known as strip syndication or daily syndication, when episodes of a television series are shown daily five times a week. Typically, this means that enough episodes must exist (88 episodes, or four seasons, is the usual minimum,[4] though many syndicators prefer a fully rounded 100 episodes) to allow for continual strip syndication to take place over the course of several months, without episodes being shown again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_episodes

 

[lokiju]

I am so very happy to hear this news. I don't disagree that season 6 should be the last and I'm also OK with it being 13 episodes. I'm just happy they have a planned end with enough time to wrap everything up as desired versus the typical abrupt cut off that wraps nothing up (Terminator:SCC!!!)

This has seriously been my favorite show and there really aren't many other shows I even care to follow now days.

 

[ForumMaster]

http://youtu.be/gvWqOZL8JXA

Good on Fox.

one of the funnier comments of the page were:

Fox, I forgive you for Firefly!

i'm not sure i agree completely, but this helps...

 

[lokiju]

While I doubt it, I wonder if they'd do a movie or two like X-files did with somewhat success...

 

[lupi]

wtf nemoy back!

 

[MH2007]

wtf nemoy back!

Yeah, the season finale was pretty crazy.

Not sure if Nimoy is officially un-retired and will have a large role in Season 5

Also, Nimoy gave an interview about coming back to Fringe and even compared Star Trek to Fringe

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/11/what-lured-leonard-nimoy-back-to-fringe/?hpt=hp_bn9

Nimoy also sees the parallels between "Fringe" and "Trek."
"I can tell you that when 'Star Trek' was put on a Friday night, which is a date night, not a good night for a show like this, it did very, very poorly," he said. "'Fringe' has the same kind of audience, a very intense audience, a small audience, but very intense and very committed. I think it’s commendable that the people at Fox decided to honor that commitment."​

 

[Childs]

It was great to see Nimoy back. I hope he sticks around, theres probably only one season left, and the show is just better when Bell is involved.