French Troops Fire Into Ivory Coast Crowd

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ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast (AP) - French forces opened fire Tuesday as protesters massed between the Ivory Coast president's home and an evacuation post for foreigners. A hospital reported seven people were killed and more than 200 wounded.

French military officials said they were assessing the events, and refused immediate comment.

At least four days of confrontations have killed at least 20 other people, wounded 700 and shut down cocoa exports from the world's largest producer.

The clash took place as thousands of loyalists massed outside the home of President Laurent Gbagbo, next to a hotel that the French have converted into a temporary evacuation center.


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Dr. Sie Podipte at Cocody Hospital said the facility was treating more than 200 wounded and that seven people had died.

South African President Thabo Mbeki met with Gbagbo earlier Tuesday, launching an African effort to rein in chaos that has erupted in this west African nation.

The U.N. Security Council, African Union, European Union and a bloc of West African leaders have all condemned Gbagbo's government in the violence, which began when Ivory Coast warplanes killed nine French peacekeepers and an American aid worker in an airstrike on the rebel-held north.

France, Ivory Coast's former colonial ruler, wiped out the nation's small air force in retaliation, sparking anti-French rampages by mobs of thousands in the fiercely nationalist south.

Mbeki said Gbagbo had recommitted to tension-easing measures agreed to in past accords in the country's civil war. A year-old cease-fire ended last week when the government opened three days of bombing of the rebel-held north.


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Mbeki declared himself "really very, very pleased" and said he would report back to the African Union for consultations on its next steps in the crisis.

Talks took place at Gbagbo's home.

Some of the 1,300 French and other foreign civilians evacuated from their homes by the French military amid looting and burning stared out at the protesters from a protective ring of barbed wire around the hotel.

"We are not going to leave," one loyalist outside the French temporary base said, adding that protesters would take shifts to eat. "If I get the French, I can eat them," he said.

Protesters tried to pull down the barbed wire around the French evacuation point but scattered when two French snipers moved forward and drew beads on them.


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After securing Abidjan's airport and bridges over the weekend, French forces on Tuesday appeared to have withdrawn from at least one main bridge in the lagoon-bordered city.

An Associated Press Television News cameraman saw a crowd surround one U.N. vehicle that ventured onto the bridge and kick it until the car withdrew.

Cocoa traders said the violence has shut down cocoa exports, closing ports that ship more than 40 percent of the world's raw material for chocolate.

Clashes that have pitted the government and supporters against French forces come at the peak of Ivory Coast's main harvest, with overall production last year at 1.4 million tons.

Violence has closed the country's two main ports, in Abidjan and San Pedro, since Saturday afternoon, traders and other officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity.


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Cocoa buyers are not venturing out into the bush to buy cocoa, they said.

On Monday, top Ivory Coast and French generals jointly appealed for protesters to go home despite a day of urgent alarms on state radio and TV asking loyalists to mass at Gbagbo's home and a nearby broadcast center.

The TV and radio appeals came after French armored vehicles moved into position at the commandee el Ivoire, with one armored vehicle at one point making a wrong turn and approaching Gbagbo's house directly, the French acknowledged.

"Everything should go back to normal. ... It is absolutely not a matter of ousting President Laurent Gbagbo," French mission commander Gen. Henri Poncet said on state TV, alongside Ivory Coast army chief of staff Gen. Mathias Doue.

French leaders have said they hold Gbagbo - installed in an uprising by his supporters in 2000, after an aborted vote count in presidential elections - personally responsible in the airstrike Saturday and subsequent anti-foreigner rampages.


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French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, after a visit Monday to wounded French servicemen flown to Paris for medical care, said their witness accounts suggested the attack was premeditated.

"They all told me that the Ivorian plane passed two times over the (French military base) building and fired on the third pass," she told reporters at St. Mande military hospital outside Paris.

At the United Nations, Security Council diplomats late Monday weighed a French-backed draft resolution for an arms embargo on Ivory Coast and a travel ban and asset freeze against those blocking peace, violating human rights, and preventing the disarmament of combatants.

France has 4,000 peacekeepers in Ivory Coast, where a civil war launched in September 2002 has split the nation between rebel north and loyalist south.

About 6,000 U.N. troops also are deployed to man a buffer zone and try to keep the peace in West Africa's former economic powerhouse, seen as vital to regional efforts to recover from 1990s civil wars.

The bombing of the French military post Saturday came on the third day of Ivory Coast airstrikes on rebel positions, breaking a more than year-old cease-fire.

Red Cross official Kim Gordon-Bates told The Associated Press that rampages in Abidjan alone had injured more than 600. Loyalist mobs on Monday blocked to set up an emergency clinic for the injured, he said.

Only partial death tolls are available, but at least 20 people had been killed - the 10 foreigners killed in the airstrike on Saturday, five loyalist protesters whose bodies were shown on state TV over the weekend, and five other fatally wounded protesters brought to two hospitals on Monday.
 

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how come we have to beg the security council to do things but the french can go raping and pillaging wherever they want?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
how come we have to beg the security council to do things but the french can go raping and pillaging wherever they want?

BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE UN.
 

dahunan

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Same thing happens in Iraq.. we just don't hear about it.

Just more whites oppressing the browns.
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ElFenix
how come we have to beg the security council to do things but the french can go raping and pillaging wherever they want?

BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE UN.

they didn't when they started.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: broon
Did they consult with the UN first?

Yes, they have a UN mandate.

There is undoubtedly a little neo-colonialism going on here but to compare the situation to Iraq is absurd.
 

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so what? because the UN gave them permission to do it makes it right?
all i'm saying is w/or w/out the UN approval, it doesnt make the situation right or wrong.. meaning that just because we're in iraq w/out the UN approval, does not make it wrong.
likewise, even if the UN had given the US permission to invade iraq, that would not have made the invasion right...
 

glenn1

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Vous pouvet m'aider, comment dit-on "Kent State" en français? L'état Kent, ne c'est pa?
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: broon
Did they consult with the UN first?

Yes, they have a UN mandate.

There is undoubtedly a little neo-colonialism going on here but to compare the situation to Iraq is absurd.

Really, where is the outrage over innocent people being killed by their military action?
 

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next time they get huffy over our military actions, we can just tell them to mess with some stupid africans and their dictator.
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: broon
Did they consult with the UN first?

Yes, they have a UN mandate.

There is undoubtedly a little neo-colonialism going on here but to compare the situation to Iraq is absurd.

Really, where is the outrage over innocent people being killed by their military action?
It´s a peacekeeping mission, but sometimes force is necessery. What should the soldiers have done?

 

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Originally posted by: nCred
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: broon
Did they consult with the UN first?

Yes, they have a UN mandate.

There is undoubtedly a little neo-colonialism going on here but to compare the situation to Iraq is absurd.

Really, where is the outrage over innocent people being killed by their military action?
It´s a peacekeeping mission, but sometimes force is necessery. What should the soldiers have done?

The soldiers should have waited for UN resolutions to run their course. That'd take what - like ten years?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: dinkhunter
next time they get huffy over our military actions, we can just tell them to mess with some stupid africans and their dictator.

Then they will tell you to go to the UN and get approval, like they did. Why is this so hard to understand? We joined the UN Chart-- no we started it! So let's abide by its terms like a respectable country would..
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: broon
Did they consult with the UN first?

Yes, they have a UN mandate.

There is undoubtedly a little neo-colonialism going on here but to compare the situation to Iraq is absurd.

Actually, it's what conquerors always do: they invade a country for land, resources, or pillage. In the Ivory Coast it's agricultural goods. In Iraq it's the bloody oil (which by the way will run out in a few decades at best).
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: dinkhunter
next time they get huffy over our military actions, we can just tell them to mess with some stupid africans and their dictator.

Then they will tell you to go to the UN and get approval, like they did. Why is this so hard to understand? We joined the UN Chart-- no we started it! So let's abide by its terms like a respectable country would..

but when you have three polictical blocking moves by germany france and russia for internal political reasons, the un security council is not a legitimate force.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: dinkhunter
next time they get huffy over our military actions, we can just tell them to mess with some stupid africans and their dictator.

Then they will tell you to go to the UN and get approval, like they did. Why is this so hard to understand? We joined the UN Chart-- no we started it! So let's abide by its terms like a respectable country would..

We are the only country to ever ASK the UN for permission to wage war, we are the ones who created this burden and I guess the only ones who are supposed to abide by that condition.

What happens when the UN is corrupted and won't give approval as in the case of Iraq?
 

Alistar7

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What should we do when presented with evidence Saddam is planning terrorist attacks on the US? Wait for the blood to pour and then act? What SHOULD Bush have done Infohawk?
 

Alistar7

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Well infohawk you certainly have no problem criticizing, yet you have NO alternative solutions?

I will keep the thoughts running through my head all to myself, lol.......
 

Alistar7

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But I will share with you my personal perception of Bush and his administration. I abhore the man, I think he is an incompetent fool who obtained power through the greatest travesty perpetuated on the American public in history. I disagree with almost everything he has done from social to financial policy, and will be completely satsisfied once he is gone. I was disappointed to see him win again, but at least now I know for sure that he will be gone, and when....
 

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Originally posted by: Alistar7

We are the only country to ever ASK the UN for permission to wage war, we are the ones who created this burden and I guess the only ones who are supposed to abide by that condition.

No, we aren't the only ones to ask to use force. That's why France has a mandate here.

What happens when the UN is corrupted and won't give approval as in the case of Iraq?
Are you suggesting the UN was corrupt in not giving approval in the case of Iraq? They weren't corrupt in their decision. Most of the world didn't think the optional war was right at that point in time. And they ended up being correct. And you can't just get pissed when things don't go your way. The UN listened to the US and disagreed.

 

Alistar7

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They protected their financial interests, otherwise they would not have blocked sanctuions from being LOOSENED. Why would France object to that, because it was also conditional on the smuggling and corruption in the program also being eliminated, strange to object to that wouldnt you say?

What was their reason for objecting then, if you would.

France did not ask the UN to "wage war" BTW, you need to read a bit deeper into the facts.


What should Bush have done when given evidence Saddam was planning terrorist attacks on the US?
 

Alistar7

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http://www.iraqpress.org/homepage.asp?fname=ipenglish\2004-07-14\1.htm


Baghdad, Iraq Press, July 14, 2004 ? More than half of people with access to satellite television in Iraq now watch al-Sharqiya, a new Arabic channel which specializes in Iraqi affairs, according to a survey.

The survey by the Iraqi Center for Strategic Research and Studies found that 58 percent of viewers in Iraq trust what the new channel broadcasts regarding the situation in the country.

It also discovered that 54 percent of Iraqis consider that the toppling of Saddam Hussein?s regime by the US-led coalition was a worthwhile effort despite the hardships they endure now.

But the researchers from the center found that the Iraqi public has little faith in the new interim government of Ayad Allawi, with only 27 percent approving the formation of his cabinet.

However, more than two thirds (81 percent) said they would like Allawi?s government to disarm local militias or bring them under its control.



WOW, look at that, IRAQIS teling you how they feel, so terribly sorry it doesn't jive with your opinions.....