French Pacifism is the reason the rioting continues...

[Duvie]

Without getting into the fact that France has long been a model of failed socialism, the main reason this rioting has proceeded after more then one day is all the politicians have been neutered...

You want to end this??? With the rioting spreading like a cancer into and out of the original neighborhoods, it is clear arresting youths and playing catchup and respond to is not working. The French are pathetic. This same type of hit and react policy they would have like to see us in america follow against the muslim terrorist is what they employ...It is working marvelously as you can see. It amounts to nothing more the pacifism and they are crumbling as we watch. The main responsibility for any government is to defend its ppl and they are failing there as well...


I would as of today declare a pseudo "martial law" with strict orders anyone caught rioting, on the streets after a certain time period, and wearing the mask of the cowards they are be shot on site.

Instead of letting the youths run home and regroup nightly they need to finish them on the streets...

Without a tough stance and crackdown I dont see an end to this and more and more innocent fire fighters (just doing their job) and citizens will die. The pathetic French need to pull their heads out and do what they need to do to protect the majority of the citizens who are not out of control.



I expect my idea above has like a 20/80 chance of happening so I guess I will sit back and watch it for a few more weeks....

 

[Strk]

There's one vote for Le Pen.

 

[Moonbeam]

It will be interesting to see how the French solve this. I know the looting stopped in New Orleans when the soldiers killed thousands in the streets so We know that American tough works, right? And we know that the genius French, like us, managed to create the time bomb in the first place.

 

[tweakmm]

France should do the smart thing, domestically spy to determine who's leading the riots and neutralize them(bullet/blackmail/bribe).

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

You know whats interesting, I've been watching the news alot lately and they brought on alot of Muslim pundits who say that the unrest shows that the government needs to work with the community in France to make sure that they have better employment opportunities... interesting concept, If I don't have a job then I got to my local school/hospital/daycare center and burn it down.


1. Lose your job
2. Burn down your community
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It will be interesting to see how the French solve this. I know the looting stopped in New Orleans when the soldiers killed thousands in the streets so We know that American tough works, right? And we know that the genius French, like us, managed to create the time bomb in the first place.

CAREFUL ON THAT INSIDIOUS CRAP YOU SPREAD....There was no 1000 ppl killed on the streets of NO becuase of soldeiers cracking down on the riots. Most of those bodies were found in flooded home and handful done on the violent streets prior to troops supporting the deserting force of the NOPD.....

Being poor is no excuse to riot. Did you see rioting in areas outside of NO??? i think that speaks volumes. I wouldn't repair that city if you asked me. the levees will still not be sufficient. i would only build in areas above sea level and nowhere near bring back all of the ppl. cannot have that type of percentage of blight and ppl on public assistance. I am amazed that city hadn't collasped along time ago....

 

[doody]

When France tried to tell the US it was making a horrible mistake invading Iraq, Americans gave France the one fingered salute.

Perhaps its time for France to return the favour.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: doody
When France tried to tell the US it was making a horrible mistake invading Iraq, Americans gave France the one fingered salute.

Perhaps its time for France to return the favour.

Go ahead and watch it all burn....They do such a marvelous job...they thought they would appease the muslims by being their biggest ally against the US being there...see how far that gets them.....

OK so you will say this has nothing to do with muslim radicalism....But are you sure of that???

 

[Steeplerot]

The french let the capitalist corporations outsource their labor movement to peoples of their colonies for cheap labor and never gave these people equal rights and made them a secondary citizens in the never ending march for profit, this is another example of the failure of capitalism and short sightedness of the consequences of the enslavement of workers with no representation as white frenchmen have..

This is not a religious issue no matter how the anti-islamic folks love to harp on this, it's a class war.

 

[Rainsford]

No offense, Rambo, (ok, maybe a little) but wouldn't this be a great example of winning the battle but losing the war? Sure, shooting a bunch of Muslim youths that are causing trouble might stop the rioting, but it will send the clear message to the Muslim community in France that the French aren't interested in actually solving the underlying social problems as much as they are interested in just keeping the Muslims quiet. Muslims are NOT treated fairly in Europe, and while rioting is not an ok response to that treatment, I suspect France would be better off being pacifist and trying to solve the underlying issues. Of course they have to stop the rioting as well, but too much force, while a quicker solution, may cause problems in the long run.

 

[BarneyFife]

Rainsford, why should Muslims be treated fairly in Europe when Europeans aren't treated fairly in Muslim countries?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
No offense, Rambo, (ok, maybe a little) but wouldn't this be a great example of winning the battle but losing the war? Sure, shooting a bunch of Muslim youths that are causing trouble might stop the rioting, but it will send the clear message to the Muslim community in France that the French aren't interested in actually solving the underlying social problems as much as they are interested in just keeping the Muslims quiet. Muslims are NOT treated fairly in Europe, and while rioting is not an ok response to that treatment, I suspect France would be better off being pacifist and trying to solve the underlying issues. Of course they have to stop the rioting as well, but too much force, while a quicker solution, may cause problems in the long run.

Ya, it's a tricky situation. The French know(it appears) that this unrest is fueled by some of their own actions. There's a fine line between restoring order and just repressing a segment of the population. Some official violence is certainly justified, but it has to be very controlled and used sparingly.

 

[Duvie]

I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore...There is that certain anarchist fringe who jump on all sorts of chaos like this and only fuel it more.....The main message that has to be set is violence is not going to get these ppl what they want...for 2 reasons...

1) If the french cave in and let it work then this will be the calling card for this for all the groups with an axe to grind...

2) If the crackdown works then the rioting will stop and a more diplomatic intercourse can begin. If France realises it has fueled some of this they can fix it there...they however as the government cannot allow this type of anarchy to prevail. It will be catastrophic for the future...

Also one needs to look at the message this is sending to other groups throughout Europ dealing with impotent countries such as France...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Rainsford, why should Muslims be treated fairly in Europe when Europeans aren't treated fairly in Muslim countries?

Because someone has to start...and somehow I don't think Iran is jumping at the chance.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore...There is that certain anarchist fringe who jump on all sorts of chaos like this and only fuel it more.....The main message that has to be set is violence is not going to get these ppl what they want...for 2 reasons...

1) If the french cave in and let it work then this will be the calling card for this for all the groups with an axe to grind...

2) If the crackdown works then the rioting will stop and a more diplomatic intercourse can begin. If France realises it has fueled some of this they can fix it there...they however as the government cannot allow this type of anarchy to prevail. It will be catastrophic for the future...

Also one needs to look at the message this is sending to other groups throughout Europ dealing with impotent countries such as France...

I agree that force is necessary to stop the violence, but I think what you proposed is a little over the line. There is a fine line here between stopping the violence and just killing Muslims...especially to the rest of the Muslims over there. I think the French response needs to make it clear that violence will not be tolerated while at the same time making it clear that they don't view the Muslims and their enemy. A fine line, like I said.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore

Oh so before you blamed ALL Muslims.....bravo :disgust:

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore...There is that certain anarchist fringe who jump on all sorts of chaos like this and only fuel it more.....The main message that has to be set is violence is not going to get these ppl what they want...for 2 reasons...

1) If the french cave in and let it work then this will be the calling card for this for all the groups with an axe to grind...

2) If the crackdown works then the rioting will stop and a more diplomatic intercourse can begin. If France realises it has fueled some of this they can fix it there...they however as the government cannot allow this type of anarchy to prevail. It will be catastrophic for the future...

Also one needs to look at the message this is sending to other groups throughout Europ dealing with impotent countries such as France...

I agree that force is necessary to stop the violence, but I think what you proposed is a little over the line. There is a fine line here between stopping the violence and just killing Muslims...especially to the rest of the Muslims over there. I think the French response needs to make it clear that violence will not be tolerated while at the same time making it clear that they don't view the Muslims and their enemy. A fine line, like I said.

Unfortunately you have to send the message...Plus you start doing it and most will fall in line rather quick...I wish the frecnh citizen could do it themselves, but with what guns could they.......You got to love socialist societies like France. the ppl cannot even protect themselves with the government fails to.....NICE!!!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore...There is that certain anarchist fringe who jump on all sorts of chaos like this and only fuel it more.....The main message that has to be set is violence is not going to get these ppl what they want...for 2 reasons...

1) If the french cave in and let it work then this will be the calling card for this for all the groups with an axe to grind...

2) If the crackdown works then the rioting will stop and a more diplomatic intercourse can begin. If France realises it has fueled some of this they can fix it there...they however as the government cannot allow this type of anarchy to prevail. It will be catastrophic for the future...

Also one needs to look at the message this is sending to other groups throughout Europ dealing with impotent countries such as France...

I agree that force is necessary to stop the violence, but I think what you proposed is a little over the line. There is a fine line here between stopping the violence and just killing Muslims...especially to the rest of the Muslims over there. I think the French response needs to make it clear that violence will not be tolerated while at the same time making it clear that they don't view the Muslims and their enemy. A fine line, like I said.

Unfortunately you have to send the message...Plus you start doing it and most will fall in line rather quick...I wish the frecnh citizen could do it themselves, but with what guns could they.......You got to love socialist societies like France. the ppl cannot even protect themselves with the government fails to.....NICE!!!

Wouldn't the rioters have guns then too? Or do they anyways?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore

Oh so before you blamed ALL Muslims.....bravo :disgust:

Learn the story fool...It started out as a mjority Muslim uprising all becuase of the 2 muslim youths who had died....Now it is just a reason for ppl to start chaos....MOB MENTALITY....I still see from reports the majority of the unrest is from muslim youths....

I never said all muslims.....Go start your war elsewhere...This is about France protecting the law abiding citizens and allowing them to sleep at night without the fear and burning up in their homes...

 

[OrganizedChaos]

i think we should offer our help in surpressing the riots. i don't see why we can't let them borrow a c-130 and a few daisy cutters.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It will be interesting to see how the French solve this. I know the looting stopped in New Orleans when the soldiers killed thousands in the streets so We know that American tough works, right? And we know that the genius French, like us, managed to create the time bomb in the first place.

CAREFUL ON THAT INSIDIOUS CRAP YOU SPREAD....There was no 1000 ppl killed on the streets of NO becuase of soldeiers cracking down on the riots. Most of those bodies were found in flooded home and handful done on the violent streets prior to troops supporting the deserting force of the NOPD.....

Being poor is no excuse to riot. Did you see rioting in areas outside of NO??? i think that speaks volumes. I wouldn't repair that city if you asked me. the levees will still not be sufficient. i would only build in areas above sea level and nowhere near bring back all of the ppl. cannot have that type of percentage of blight and ppl on public assistance. I am amazed that city hadn't collasped along time ago....

Sorry to hear about your busted sarcasm meter. Unfortunately, you are as insightful there as you are elsewhere.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The french let the capitalist corporations outsource their labor movement to peoples of their colonies for cheap labor and never gave these people equal rights and made them a secondary citizens in the never ending march for profit, this is another example of the failure of capitalism and short sightedness of the consequences of the enslavement of workers with no representation as white frenchmen have..

This is not a religious issue no matter how the anti-islamic folks love to harp on this, it's a class war.

Just curious - Steeplerot. Since the heavily socialist France seems to fall outside your list of "good governments" - care to name one that meets the approval of your vast intellect? Venezuela? Cuba?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore

Oh so before you blamed ALL Muslims.....bravo :disgust:

It's just a large minority, or perhaps a small majority. Pretty disgusting really.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The french let the capitalist corporations outsource their labor movement to peoples of their colonies for cheap labor and never gave these people equal rights and made them a secondary citizens in the never ending march for profit, this is another example of the failure of capitalism and short sightedness of the consequences of the enslavement of workers with no representation as white frenchmen have..

This is not a religious issue no matter how the anti-islamic folks love to harp on this, it's a class war.

Just curious - Steeplerot. Since the heavily socialist France seems to fall outside your list of "good governments" - care to name one that meets the approval of your vast intellect? Venezuela? Cuba?

Just the fact that you would think france is a accepted government by me shows how little you know of politics or even the tiniest grasp of the big picture, best thing to do al is stick to limbaugh or hannity, it's just the uppity muslims, right?

 

[stateofbeasley]

I think Rainsford has the right idea. The French government has to punish the rioters, but at the same time it has to either do something to help the immigrants assimilate, or stop allowing immigrants to enter if it is clear they have no intent to assimilate.

Duvie, All your tough talk about shooting people on site and finishing them off is sure to result in nothing more than a bloodbath. France is not Soviet Russia or Communist China.

Arrest and try those responsible. Figure out what the root cause of these problems is and implement strategies to end it. Ordered Liberty demands this.

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duvie
I have to admit it is not all muslims anymore...There is that certain anarchist fringe who jump on all sorts of chaos like this and only fuel it more.....The main message that has to be set is violence is not going to get these ppl what they want...for 2 reasons...

1) If the french cave in and let it work then this will be the calling card for this for all the groups with an axe to grind...

2) If the crackdown works then the rioting will stop and a more diplomatic intercourse can begin. If France realises it has fueled some of this they can fix it there...they however as the government cannot allow this type of anarchy to prevail. It will be catastrophic for the future...

Also one needs to look at the message this is sending to other groups throughout Europ dealing with impotent countries such as France...

I agree that force is necessary to stop the violence, but I think what you proposed is a little over the line. There is a fine line here between stopping the violence and just killing Muslims...especially to the rest of the Muslims over there. I think the French response needs to make it clear that violence will not be tolerated while at the same time making it clear that they don't view the Muslims and their enemy. A fine line, like I said.