French elites brandish anti-racist manifesto

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...eufrancediversity.html

There was a lot of talk after the election about how this wasn't possible in Europe or anywhere else in the world (although I believe Peru had a corrupt Japanese President). Now the French might be trying to fix their problems.

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Inspired by Barack Obama, the French first lady and other leading figures say it's high time for France to stamp out racism and shake up a white political and social elite that smacks of colonial times.

A manifesto published Sunday - subtitled "Oui, nous pouvons!", the French translation of Obama's campaign slogan "Yes, we can!" - urges affirmative action-like policies and other steps to turn French ideals of equality into reality for millions of blacks, Arabs and other alienated minorities.

"Our prejudices are insidious," Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, a singer and wife of President Nicolas Sarkozy, said in an interview with the Journal du Dimanche newspaper, which published the manifesto. She said she hoped the "Obama effect" would reshape French society.

Nations across Europe rejoiced over Obama's victory, seeing it as a triumph for American democracy and a world weary of President George W. Bush. But Obama's election also illustrated an uncomfortable truth: how far European countries with big minority populations have to go getting nonwhites into positions of power.

Grass-roots groups in France and Britain are trying to turn Obama's election into electoral gains for minorities at home. Sunday's manifesto suggests France's elites are taking notice, too.

"The election of Barack Obama highlights via a cruel contrast the shortcomings of the French Republic, and the distance that separates us from a country whose citizens knew how to go beyond the racial question and elect a man who happens to be black as president," the appeal said.

"What a lesson!" it went on. "We French ... should listen to it well."

The manifesto was written by Yazid Sabeg, a French self-made millionaire whose parents were Algerian immigrants, and signed by politicians from the left and right and other public figures.

Obama is extremely popular in France, yet blacks and other minorities are nearly invisible in national or local politics here. The lower house of parliament has 555 members from the French mainland; just one is black.

"We shouldn't be surprised that Obama's popularity is so high here: It testifies to the aspirations of all the children of France who are experiencing by proxy a recognition that France does not give them," the manifesto reads. "It also betrays the bad faith of those who welcome the victory of modernity outside our borders, in order to tolerate the status quo here."

The manifesto calls for affirmative action policies like those the United States used years ago to encourage greater minority representation in the workplace and in universities.

Sarkozy has suggested affirmative action for France, but later backed away from the idea since it goes against France's ideals of egalitarianism, which dictate that the country not classify its citizens according to race. This idea that everyone is just "French" means there are no census or other national figures calculating how big the country's minority groups are.

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The manifesto urges term limits to make way for more minority candidates, and presses the government to improve schools in working-class neighborhoods.

That appears to be a reference to housing projects heavily populated by nonwhite immigrants and their families, areas that erupted in riots in 2005 by disenfranchised youth, many of them Arab and black children of immigrants.

Critics say the tough-talking Sarkozy fanned discrimination ahead of the riots. Manifesto author Sabeg slammed efforts under Sarkozy to help minority neighborhoods as "an empty shell."

Bruni-Sarkozy said she couldn't sign the appeal because of her status as first lady but that she fully supported it. She is quoted in the Journal du Dimanche as calling Obama's election "an immense joy."

The Italian-born first lady exhibited optimism in her adopted land, saying Sarkozy's ethnically mixed background is a sign that France is open to change.

"My husband is not Obama. But the French voted for the son of a Hungarian immigrant, whose father has an accent, whose mother is of Jewish origin. (Sarkozy) has always considered himself as a bit of a Frenchman from elsewhere," Bruni-Sarkozy is quoted as saying.

She also took a dig at the prime minister of her native Italy, Silvio Berlusconi, for saying last week that Obama is "tanned." The often impolitic and suntanned Berlusconi defended it as a compliment, but Bruni-Sarkozy saw the situation differently.

"I'm very glad to have become French," she said.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
It feels good to be an example for the rest of the world again.

agreed. Light at the end of the tunnel again.


Here's to hoping we stay in the light.

:wine:
 

Infohawk

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American reputation is on the rise again.

That said, I don't support affirmative action and it's not clear to me that Obama is simply a product of affirmative action.
 

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
American reputation is on the rise again.

That said, I don't support affirmative action and it's not clear to me that Obama is simply a product of affirmative action.

Amazing how much world opinion of the US has changed in a couple of days.
 

Martin

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I don't think many people know that anglo-style AA doesn't exist in France, where it's seen as something of an insult to 'equality'. I've always found it funny that lots of people hate AA, yet point to France as an example what shouldn't happen.


Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Where's canoworms? :p

Probably thinks a trap to get all the non-Whites together in one spot. Easier to contain them into a Camp that way.
 

CanOWorms

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Gotta add my post so that the Views count goes up a couple of hundred!

France has a lot of work to do to get into the modern age in regards to minority rights. This is the country where the Socialist candidate wanted to send minorities to army boot camps. Their left makes the Republicans look like leftist radicals.

The chairman of the UK's Equality and Human Rights Commission claimed that someone like Barack Obama could never become Prime Minister because of institutional racism. What happens? He's condemned. When you don't face reality and just ignore it, the problem continues. That is the fundamental cause of Europe's lack of progress.
 

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Originally posted by: Martin

Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

Canada's Governor General (and de facto head of state) for the last three years is also black and is a true immigrant, having been born in Haiti. No "Natural-Born Citizen" nonsense here. ;) Her predecessor is of Chinese ancestry and was born in Hongkong.

http://www.gg.ca/media/pho/galleryPics/2776.jpg

 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
Well the French have a lot of ethnic and religious discrimination problems to fix.

Starting with the Islamic Supremacists among them, should the voices of intolerance be given stronger weight under the banner of diversity?
 

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Originally posted by: Martin

Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

Canada's Governor General (and de facto head of state) for the last three years is also black and is a true immigrant, having been born in Haiti. No "Natural-Born Citizen" nonsense here. ;) Her predecessor is of Chinese ancestry and was born in Hongkong.

http://www.gg.ca/media/pho/galleryPics/2776.jpg


Michaelle Jean (the current Governor General) was put in there by the Liberals, as a last resort to prevent the Tories from being elected due to the sponsorship scandal.

SHE. WAS. NOT. ELECTED.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Martin
I don't think many people know that anglo-style AA doesn't exist in France, where it's seen as something of an insult to 'equality'. I've always found it funny that lots of people hate AA, yet point to France as an example what shouldn't happen.


Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

You are right. I wish more people would understand that there's a third choice next to racism and AA. Use the continental European system that is truly color blind.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: Martin
I don't think many people know that anglo-style AA doesn't exist in France, where it's seen as something of an insult to 'equality'. I've always found it funny that lots of people hate AA, yet point to France as an example what shouldn't happen.


Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

"Only one president was the son of two immigrant parents: Andrew Jackson. Five presidents ([Thomas] Jefferson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover) had just one immigrant parent each.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.c...8/immigration-fac.html

oooo look at me, we're france, we elected the son of an immigrant, la-dee-FREAKIN-DA bitches we got seven of 'em!
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Martin
I don't think many people know that anglo-style AA doesn't exist in France, where it's seen as something of an insult to 'equality'. I've always found it funny that lots of people hate AA, yet point to France as an example what shouldn't happen.


Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

You are right. I wish more people would understand that there's a third choice next to racism and AA. Use the continental European system that is truly color blind.

Racism isn't some kind of state sanctioned system. Do you want Congress to vote on whether we want racism, AA, or color blindness?
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Martin
I don't think many people know that anglo-style AA doesn't exist in France, where it's seen as something of an insult to 'equality'. I've always found it funny that lots of people hate AA, yet point to France as an example what shouldn't happen.


Also, not to rain on Obama's parade, but one way to look at it is that the US elected the son of an immigrant, which the French did last year (Sarkozy's father is Hungarian and his mother is of a recent greek-jewish family)

You are right. I wish more people would understand that there's a third choice next to racism and AA. Use the continental European system that is truly color blind.

Sorry, but the European system is rife with racism. Most analysts and experts on the issue agree that it's a serious problem. Perhaps it is supposed to be color blind, but it's just not practiced that way.
 

CLite

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Not to diverge from politics but just look at their sporting events. In some soccer games they have entire sections filled with Nazi-like skinheads who hollor some of the worst racial slurs you will ever hear in public.

People like to knock the U.S. for racial intolerance and it's very prolonged period of slavery as compared to other western countries. However since the civil rights movement we have made bounds in tolerance and "color-blindness". Countries in Europe simply didn't experience a minority population until a couple decades ago when muslims began immigrating from Nothern Africa. Therefore before they could have all the noble positions you could shake a stick at, however now confronted with a significant minority population they can no longer just talk the talk but must confront the lurking racism in their culture.