French editor steps down over cartoons

[firewall]

The owner of France Soir, an Egyptian, Raymond Lakah, said he fired LeFranc to demonstrate "respect for the intimate beliefs of an individual" - apparently a reference to religious beliefs.

Followers of Islam charge the cartoons are an insult to their religion.

Lakah also apologized to the "community of Muslims and all people who are shocked and outraged over this publication".

A Dutch politician campaigning on his opposition to Islam published the cartoons on his website Wednesday. Geert Wilders described as "deeply unsettling" the protests that have arisen across the Muslim world. "This is a bad business. What is the price of freedom?" Wilders said.

Denmark, finding itself in the unusual situation of seeing its flag burned and Danish businesses and diplomatic facilities in the target of protests, was seeking to ease the controversy.

In Copenhagen, the editor-in-chief of Jyllands-Posten newspaper, Carsten Juste - who issued an apology on Monday - said Wednesday he regretted his paper's decision to run the caricatures, saying the "costs were simply too high" given the current boycotts and threats against Danes.

Around the Muslim countries in the Mideast and North Africa, anger over the Mohammed caricatures continued. Tens of thousands of Yemeni protested in Sanaa outside the European Commission and the United Nations.

The Danish dairy products company Arla said it was losing some 1.6 million dollars in revenues a day in the Gulf owing to a boycott of Danish products in the Middle East.

The United Nations commission on human rights has launched an investigation of the cartoons for possible racism and insults against religion.

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Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

 

[raildogg]

Why don't we fire any journalist who mentions anything negative on Islam? Lets just get rid of these people who draw cartoons about Islam. Freedom of speech doesn't apply to certain people. Yes.

Many of us are anti-radical Islam, ban us too. In fact, you should jail us so we can't speak our minds.

Yes, freedom of speech. Something that troops die for.

While we're at it, why don't we accept the holy book as the new constitution? Isn't the Constitution of the United States and other countries disrespectful to muslims since it protects newspapers by letting them publish unpopular things?

 

[khansaab]

Originally posted by: asadasif

The owner of France Soir, an Egyptian, Raymond Lakah, said he fired LeFranc to demonstrate "respect for the intimate beliefs of an individual" - apparently a reference to religious beliefs.

Followers of Islam charge the cartoons are an insult to their religion.

Lakah also apologized to the "community of Muslims and all people who are shocked and outraged over this publication".

A Dutch politician campaigning on his opposition to Islam published the cartoons on his website Wednesday. Geert Wilders described as "deeply unsettling" the protests that have arisen across the Muslim world. "This is a bad business. What is the price of freedom?" Wilders said.

Denmark, finding itself in the unusual situation of seeing its flag burned and Danish businesses and diplomatic facilities in the target of protests, was seeking to ease the controversy.

In Copenhagen, the editor-in-chief of Jyllands-Posten newspaper, Carsten Juste - who issued an apology on Monday - said Wednesday he regretted his paper's decision to run the caricatures, saying the "costs were simply too high" given the current boycotts and threats against Danes.

Around the Muslim countries in the Mideast and North Africa, anger over the Mohammed caricatures continued. Tens of thousands of Yemeni protested in Sanaa outside the European Commission and the United Nations.

The Danish dairy products company Arla said it was losing some 1.6 million dollars in revenues a day in the Gulf owing to a boycott of Danish products in the Middle East.

The United Nations commission on human rights has launched an investigation of the cartoons for possible racism and insults against religion.

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Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

Great news. Thankfully sensible people are still alive in this world, unlike our bigots in AT P&N.

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: khansaab

Great news. Thankfully sensible people are still alive in this world, unlike our bigots in AT P&N.

Welcome to AT khansaab. You might need some time to learn to filter out the radical views of some fellow members on AT P&N. I would recommend a start from ATOT.

 

[raildogg]

Ladies and gentlemen, freedom of speech has now become a "radical" view.

 

[Meuge]

Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

 

[khansaab]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

 

[khansaab]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

I do wear glasses. Thank you. Sorry, Sultan's are usually persians, Khans are from Afghanistan

 

[firewall]

The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

 

[MCsommerreid]

The art of misdirection. Focus radically on one issue to draw eyes from all the other ones, and then claim that anyone who brings them up is ignoring the other issue.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

I do wear glasses. Thank you. Sorry, Sultan's are usually persians, Khans are from Afghanistan

Thanks for letting me know that it is you indeed... I shall quote this into threads you participate in, to make sure that the participants know who they're dealing with.

 

[khansaab]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

I do wear glasses. Thank you. Sorry, Sultan's are usually persians, Khans are from Afghanistan

Thanks for letting me know that it is you indeed... I shall quote this into threads you participate in, to make sure that the participants know who they're dealing with.

You shall quote what bro?

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: asadasif
The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

So your rights were violated when that cartoon was published. Pray tell me what rights they were? The right to suppress others when they disagree with your religion? Or the right to force people to follow the rules of your religion?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

I do wear glasses. Thank you. Sorry, Sultan's are usually persians, Khans are from Afghanistan

They are refering to another member whom I haven't seen post a message since last night if I remember correctly. This was after he raised a valid debate about the holocaust. I do know it was true and the Jews really suffered at the hands of the Nazis. I however do not disagree with Sultan's desire for someone to show him proof of holocaust. However, this argument is not valid for this topic. Comments on the French's sensibility are welcome...

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: asadasif
Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

This situation would have never happened had Islam not been so full of hateful, intolerant, brainwashed sheep.

What kind of lowlife does a person have to be in order to threaten people for expressing their freedom? And how ****** retarded does a person have to be to demand action from a government for something published in an independent newspaper (link)?

And let's not forget the hypocricy. At same time as palestinians are protesting and storming EU offices (link), Hamas is asking the EU not to stop its $600m/a funding for the PA (link).

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: khansaab

Originally posted by: Meuge
Of course, anyone who does not share your values is a racist, a radical, and an enemy. ****** your anger. Be angry all you want, you're just showing the world your intentions.

I don't see how you can demand respect, if this is what you choose to be angry about. I would really think that with so much hatred, violence, poverty and ignorance in the heavily Muslim countries, you'd be angry at the leaders who would rather parade some f-ing cartoon in front of you, then actually fix something in your countries.

oh, i see what you meant asadasif. i dont even understand how the above is related to your original post.

Khansaab - I would venture a guess you're Sultan reincarnated... so don't start.

And if you don't understand how it's related to the post, you should get some glasses.

I do wear glasses. Thank you. Sorry, Sultan's are usually persians, Khans are from Afghanistan

They are refering to another member whom I haven't seen post a message since last night if I remember correctly. This was after he raised a valid debate about the holocaust. I do know it was true and the Jews really suffered at the hands of the Nazis. I however do not disagree with Sultan's desire for someone to show him proof of holocaust.

Actually I believe that he didn't raise a debate about the holocaust, but rather stated that he believed that the Jews deserved to be killed. If you are going to pretend to be objective, do us all a favor and try to limit yourself to manipulating facts that cannot be immediately verified.

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: asadasif
The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

So your rights were violated when that cartoon was published. Pray tell me what rights they were? The right to suppress others when they disagree with your religion? Or the right to force people to follow the rules of your religion?

Right of belief. You are insulting their beliefs and showcasing the beliefs of the people who want freedom without any limitations. You do know laws are there for a reason? If these laws weren't there and there was total freedom, man would be less than an animal.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: asadasif
The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

So your rights were violated when that cartoon was published. Pray tell me what rights they were? The right to suppress others when they disagree with your religion? Or the right to force people to follow the rules of your religion?

Right of belief. You are insulting their beliefs and showcasing the beliefs of the people who want freedom without any limitations.

I'm sorry, but in which way did the cartoons prevent Muslims from believing?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: asadasif
The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

So your rights were violated when that cartoon was published. Pray tell me what rights they were? The right to suppress others when they disagree with your religion? Or the right to force people to follow the rules of your religion?

I am also curious. Not long ago (when this story first broke out) Meoman was telling us how those who don't follow islam must still obey its rules or face punishment by those who do, no matter what country one lives in.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: asadasif
The French have shown some sense by showing a respect for people of other religions and their beliefs. Freedom shouldn't be used to exploit and violate the rights of others. The moment it does that, it doesn't remains freedom.

So your rights were violated when that cartoon was published. Pray tell me what rights they were? The right to suppress others when they disagree with your religion? Or the right to force people to follow the rules of your religion?

Right of belief. You are insulting their beliefs and showcasing the beliefs of the people who want freedom without any limitations. You do know laws are there for a reason? If these laws weren't there and there was total freedom, man would be less than an animal.

Has the cartoon stopped you from reading your koran or attending prayer?

 

[khansaab]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: asadasif
Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

This situation would have never happened had Islam not been so full of hateful, intolerant, brainwashed sheep.

What kind of lowlife does a person have to be in order to threaten people for expressing their freedom? And how ****** retarded does a person have to be to demand action from a government for something published in an independent newspaper (link)?

And let's not forget the hypocricy. At same time as palestinians are protesting and storming EU offices (link), Hamas is asking the EU not to stop its $600m/a funding for the PA (link).

my, thats quite a bunch of mean words there bro. so you support the retarded, moronic, inciteful, hateful, demeaning pictures that the newspapers published?
i support the freedom of expression of calling in a fake report of a bomb, and the governmental action as they please is in the best interest of that nation, and the protest of palestinians (which is again the freedom of expression) and nothing to do with the PA?

 

[khansaab]

Back to topic, its awesome that the French editor was fired. Such actions are helpful to show that France is truly a secular country respecting all religions and beliefs

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: asadasif
Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

This situation would have never happened had Islam not been so full of hateful, intolerant, brainwashed sheep.

What kind of lowlife does a person have to be in order to threaten people for expressing their freedom? And how ****** retarded does a person have to be to demand action from a government for something published in an independent newspaper (link)?

And let's not forget the hypocricy. At same time as palestinians are protesting and storming EU offices (link), Hamas is asking the EU not to stop its $600m/a funding for the PA (link).

You insult a major religion of the world today. There are diverse people following a religion. They interpret it differently. Do you deny the existence of extremist and fundamentalist Christians and Jews? The situation would have had never come to pass if the Danish newspaper was a bit considerate to the beliefs of other people.

You are using the threats from a few Muslims to malign all the followers of Islam. You make general sweeping statements about all Muslims being radicals. Tell me, how is calling back Ambassadors and boycotting products threats?

Hamas has been elected through a democratic process. Either you respect democracy or change it to your whims to feed your interests is something which solely you are responsible for. That is the real hypocrisy.

The French have done something laudable by apologizing. The person with the better ethics doesn't feels ashamed to apologize for being wrong. Are you morally and ethically that strong to apologize for your instigatory stand?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Well, it's good to see that the boycotts of products and the calling back of ambassadors is having some effect. This is a needlessly escalated situation which could had been avoided if the provocative cartoons weren't published. While the extremists using freedom as a tool for their own means might think otherwise and expect a hearty congratulation on insulting Muslims, some people are finally getting some common sense.

Isn't that what a political cartoon is all about?!