freedom's watch

[morkinva]

There's a big commercial barrage afoot. They can be heard now on talk radio, and all over the tv. They promote links between Iraq and 911. The fear they're trying to stir up is nothing new from supporters of the occupation and its continuity. Here are the commercials showing people who have lost limbs or loved ones urging us to stay the course.


Jesse
veteran
Travis
Robinson


This is nice propaganda, but from whom?

The board (of Freedom's Watch) consists of Bradley A. Blakeman; Ari Fleischer; Mel Sembler, a Florida Republican who was Bush?s ambassador to Italy; William P. Weidner, president and chief operating officer of the Las Vegas Sands Corp.; and Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition.

The donors include Sembler; Anthony Gioia, a Buffalo businessman who was Bush?s ambassador to Malta; Kevin Moley, who was Bush?s ambassador to the U.S. Mission to the United Nations in Geneva; Howard Leach, a former Republican National Committee finance chairman who was Bush?s ambassador to France; Dr. John Templeton of Pennsylvania, chairman and president of the John Templeton Foundation; Ed Snider, chairman of Comcast Spectacor, the huge Philadelphia sports and entertainment firm; Sheldon Adelson, chairman of the Las Vegas Sands Corp. and ranked by Forbes magazine as the third-wealthiest American; and Richard Fox, who is chairman of the Jewish Policy Center and was Pennsylvania State Chairman of the Reagan/Bush campaign in 1980.

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[sandorski]

When will the BS stop?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the defeatists are putting out.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the realists are putting out.

Fixed

 

[1EZduzit]

Why did they stop short of putting the touch on you to send a donation in to help support the "cause"?

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the realists are putting out.

Fixed

In the pre-9/11 world maybe...now, No.

Chuck

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm guessing the campaign will be somewhat successful, there are enough stupid people willing to believe that drivel. People who are ill informed enough or ignorant enough to not want to think for themselves will fall for those adds. I see a presidential support rate growing to 40%.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
People who are ill informed enough or ignorant enough

You are describing just about 100% of the general public by any definition.

 

[ranmaniac]

Neocons need more meat for the grinder in Iraq, and as long as enough Americans are brainwashed to believe in the great lie, they'll continue down their path of destruction.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the realists are putting out.

Fixed

In the pre-9/11 world maybe...now, No.

Chuck

I think those who think there is a pre-911 world, and a post-911 world, are those who have lost to terrorism. Change via fear. That's what they wanted, and that's what you have given them.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the realists are putting out.

Fixed

In the pre-9/11 world maybe...now, No.

Chuck

I think those who think there is a pre-911 world, and a post-911 world, are those who have lost to terrorism. Change via fear. That's what they wanted, and that's what you have given them.

I don't live any differently today than I did pre-9/11, so No, I haven't lost to terrorism.

The problem is that people are still willing to ignore those that wish to harm us, even after an event like 9/11. 9/11 should have been a wake-up call to the entire Western world about what they'd been ignoring and in many cases fostering over the past 50 years. Yet, some people in our Federal government (you know, the people that are entrusted with the #1 priority of ensuring our national safety) want to continue making short-term decisions without thinking about the long-term impacts.

You can decide to totally forget 9/11, go about your life like it never happened, however that's like a bunch of people walking past a rattlesnake, and you didn't get bit. Instead of dealing with the snake, everyone that didn't get bit just ignores it.

Until they get bit, then they want the problem dealt with.

Lets deal with it now, before another 3,000 people get bit, instead of pretending it's not going to strike again...

Chuck

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO they are no worse than the ads and such the realists are putting out.

Fixed

In the pre-9/11 world maybe...now, No.

Chuck

I think those who think there is a pre-911 world, and a post-911 world, are those who have lost to terrorism. Change via fear. That's what they wanted, and that's what you have given them.

I don't live any differently today than I did pre-9/11, so No, I haven't lost to terrorism.

The problem is that people are still willing to ignore those that wish to harm us, even after an event like 9/11. 9/11 should have been a wake-up call to the entire Western world about what they'd been ignoring and in many cases fostering over the past 50 years. Yet, some people in our Federal government (you know, the people that are entrusted with the #1 priority of ensuring our national safety) want to continue making short-term decisions without thinking about the long-term impacts.

You can decide to totally forget 9/11, go about your life like it never happened, however that's like a bunch of people walking past a rattlesnake, and you didn't get bit. Instead of dealing with the snake, everyone that didn't get bit just ignores it.

Until they get bit, then they want the problem dealt with.

Lets deal with it now, before another 3,000 people get bit, instead of pretending it's not going to strike again...

Chuck

I don't think anyone is complaining about our gov't fighting Al Qaida. The problem is our gov't using the war on terror to pursue other ventures, i.e. Iraq, which ironically, has killed another 3000+ Americans.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

This is absolutely disgusting propaganda. These are the same lies that Bush and Co. were peddling 6 years ago and they're just as false today.

All 9/11 conspiracy theories aside, that tragedy was the perfect opportunity for Bush to invade Iraq - something his inner circle had been wanting to do for some time - and they simply drew a false causation as justification for the war.

Terrorism has existed for most of the 20th Century and many of the tactics have stayed the same. The difference now is that governments and special interest groups use many more media channels to convey their message than before - radio, newspapers, tv, Internet, etc.

The propaganda is so prevalent that less cognizant people are bombarded with these messages and they start believing them.

Originally posted by: chucky2

I don't live any differently today than I did pre-9/11, so No, I haven't lost to terrorism.

Chuck

Good for you. The world is no more dangerous than it was prior to 9/11. While terrorist events do occur and are always tragic, any North American's odds of being injured or killed in an attack are incredibly low.

We should be more concerned with healthcare and stagnating wages, since these are among the domestic issues that the government has intentionally left to rot while it pursues war abroad.

Sugar-coating the mess with words like "freedom" and "victory" only obfuscates the stinking mess of shit lurking beneath.

 

[morkinva]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Why did they stop short of putting the touch on you to send a donation in to help support the "cause"?

I guess the donation is the blood of yours and their sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, mothers and fathers.

Glad to see the fellowship of disgust :brokenheart:

 

[Lemon law]

Lets examine what we are doing. We get one 911 and lose almost 3000 lives. We track the root cause to Al-Quida in Afghanistan. And remove the Taliban without really impacting Al-Quida. Then we rush off to Iraq where we piss some 3711 US troop lives away, cause a probable 500,000 civilian deaths, and spend a probable 2 trillion dollars to buy into a second quagmire. And we have lost more people to the wars than we lost in 911. Whats wrong with that picture?

Does it ever occur to us that maybe we should quit wasting lives and money. If our goal was reducing international terrorism, all our efforts are proving counterproductive.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets examine what we are doing. We get one 911 and lose almost 3000 lives. We track the root cause to Al-Quida in Afghanistan. And remove the Taliban without really impacting Al-Quida. Then we rush off to Iraq where we piss some 3711 US troop lives away, cause a probable 500,000 civilian deaths, and spend a probable 2 trillion dollars to buy into a second quagmire. And we have lost more people to the wars than we lost in 911. Whats wrong with that picture?

Does it ever occur to us that maybe we should quit wasting lives and money. If our goal was reducing international terrorism, all our efforts are proving counterproductive.

But, but, think of the children of the war profiteers! They have to eat too!

Man the bastards who planned and perpetrated this crime in Iraq make me want to puke all over their $20,000 shoes.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
I'm guessing the campaign will be somewhat successful, there are enough stupid people willing to believe that drivel. People who are ill informed enough or ignorant enough to not want to think for themselves will fall for those adds. I see a presidential support rate growing to 40%.

And the ones who can think for themselves are the same ones wearing tin foil hats.

Give me a break with your slander.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
This is absolutely disgusting propaganda.

These are the same lies that Bush and Co. were peddling 6 years ago and they're just as false today.

My neighbor was in tears the other day and she babbling something about freedom watch and I had no idea what she was talking about.

Obviously she will be voting for whatever candidate the Republicans put up.

She actually thought she could vote for Bush again.

 

[theeedude]

Neocon BS is like radiation. It has a half-life. These guys just need to make their alternate version of reality last long enough for the election season, then people will be wondering, "whoa, how did we actually fall for this garbage?"
Americans are so gullible, sometime I wonder why I even bother with a 9-5 job instead of finding a way of fleecing these suckers.

 

[jman19]

Ah yes, nothing like conflating a complicated issue to make it easy enough for the sheep to follow. Radical Islam is a problem for the West, but making a generalized boogie man up and fighting it won't solve the problem.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: chucky2
You can decide to totally forget 9/11, go about your life like it never happened, however that's like a bunch of people walking past a rattlesnake, and you didn't get bit. Instead of dealing with the snake, everyone that didn't get bit just ignores it.

Until they get bit, then they want the problem dealt with.

Lets deal with it now, before another 3,000 people get bit, instead of pretending it's not going to strike again...

Chuck

:thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: chucky2

You can decide to totally forget 9/11, go about your life like it never happened, however that's like a bunch of people walking past a rattlesnake, and you didn't get bit. Instead of dealing with the snake, everyone that didn't get bit just ignores it.

Until they get bit, then they want the problem dealt with.

Lets deal with it now, before another 3,000 people get bit, instead of pretending it's not going to strike again...

Of course it will happen again and of course it will all be the Democrats fault right.

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: chucky2
You can decide to totally forget 9/11, go about your life like it never happened, however that's like a bunch of people walking past a rattlesnake, and you didn't get bit. Instead of dealing with the snake, everyone that didn't get bit just ignores it.

Until they get bit, then they want the problem dealt with.

Lets deal with it now, before another 3,000 people get bit, instead of pretending it's not going to strike again...

Chuck

:thumbsup:

Pretending that people in Kansas have to worry about it is the lie.