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Dead miniterrorists
Freedom has a high price
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CrazyHelloDeli
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Originally posted by: preslove
Maybe if more Americans saw these pictures less @$$holes would support a war for "freedom"
Good point. People in the US have not had war on their own land in a really long time so they no longer realize the true horror of it. Maybe that's why they are so willing to wage war so easily.
rbV5
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Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: preslove
Maybe if more Americans saw these pictures less @$$holes would support a war for "freedom"
Good point. People in the US have not had war on their own land in a really long time so they no longer realize the true horror of it. Maybe that's why they are so willing to wage war so easily.
People who ignore the horrors of war won't be swayed by pictures like those. Thats just sick, and serves no purpose but for shock value. I've made my point, so I'm outta here..but thats low even for P&N IMHO.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Neither is tyranny. Sometimes, it's just a choice among evils. Hiroshima was ugly, but the Rape of Nanking was worse.
What's not to know about our supporting Saddam in the Iraq/Iran war? And how about our giving him information on how to use chemical weapons during that war?
MartyMcFly3
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"We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men."
-Boondock Saints
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And we supported Stalin in order to beat Germany and Japan, so what's your point? Stalin beats Saddam on the 'evil' scale, and likely mass-murdered more people than Hitler (mass graves are still being discovered in Russia). Few of our allies have been perfect.
Prepared by the U.S. Department of State
Ok, I repeat, do you have a link to the people in the mass graves that Saddam killed? Do you care about them at all or the ones he or his sons would have killed in the future? Or are you just using these people as a political prop?
alkemyst
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I usually just skim through P&N, however, I can't believe the responses to this. This is real news. It's not some ambulance chasing crap, this is what's REAL and what happens everyday.
American's especially just don't want to see this. They don't want to get involved, they want to sip their cafe latte, driving their SUV and talking on the cell phone to the person they are having an affair while going to pickup their 2.5 kids from day care.
You do realize these remarks are the same things people that like to burn books make. There was a warning of death and carnage, the 'mini' should have been a big enough clue it was some sort of child or midget perhaps, maybe animals...
Do you believe in freedom or do you believe in locking the 'real world' down from Joe Public.
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American's especially just don't want to see this. They don't want to get involved, they want to sip their cafe latte, driving their SUV and talking on the cell phone to the person they are having an affair while going to pickup their 2.5 kids from day care.
You do realize these remarks are the same things people that like to burn books make. There was a warning of death and carnage, the 'mini' should have been a big enough clue it was some sort of child or midget perhaps, maybe animals...
Do you believe in freedom or do you believe in locking the 'real world' down from Joe Public.
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XZeroII
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Sounds like a wager to me. I represent the typical conservative and I say we should just start burning villages with civilians in them all over the world just because we can for no good reason. Then we'll start jacking off to our success
OF FREAKING COURSE IT WON'T BRING THEM BACK YOU MORON. Do you really think anyone belives it will????
*rant to everyone*
However, by taking saddam from power, we have stopped him from causing more deaths. And don't bother bringing up the fact that we are causing deaths now. You would have been one of those whinners during the US revolutionary war who said we should just be happy to live under brittish rule. We shouldn't fight for our independance because people might die. We are fighting to make the world a better place. I'm sorry you don't realize that and condemn us for it.
FYI, Saddam is now in jail in Quatar. Saddam is no longer a factor yet these children were killed. Saddam was also a monster created and supported by the US. Without US support he would never have grown to become what he became. If you believe that the US invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons you are deluded. The US under the Clinton administration let half a million children die because it suited the purposes of the US (imagine half a million similar pictures to the ones above). The US under Bush 43 invaded Iraq because it suited the interests of the Bush administration. The current situation in Iraq is the result of US meddling in the area.
Here are some links, note the care Bush 41 had for the Shi'ites when they tried to overthrow Saddam:
The Mass Graves of al-Mahavil
US unresponsive on Mass Graves
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preslove
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After the original coup in the 1960's against the democratically elected government of Iraq the CIA supplied Saddam with a list of peaceful leftist organizers. Saddam was the hatchet man for the Baath party. He killed all of those people. From day one we enabled Saddam to murder countless people.
So, I know a little more than you think. Ok, Kuwait wasn't really an ally, but the main justification for the Gulf War was that Saddam was within striking distance of the Saudi oil fields, which meant he could potentially control around a majority of the world's known oil supply. This was enough to make him 'evil.' Using Anthrax grown from bacteria cultures supplied by the U.S. was not.
I enjoy how you present only the parts of history that support your world view. It's a nice technique that is being honed to a fine skill by some on this board. I am glad to see you learned at least some of the history of the region.
Let's see, Kennedy was president at that time wasn't he?
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