Free Energy? Motionless Magnetic Generator

[dieselstation]

A patent was granted on March 26, 2002 for "The Motionless Magnetic Generator," MEG) US Patent 6,362,718, which is likely to become the first commercially available free energy device in history in about one year from now. The machine will provide free electricity from the vacuum, for the life of the device, which should be a very long life since it has no moving parts.

Does this mean we don't need powerplants anymore?

more info: http://www.rense.com/general21/free.htm
pictures: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/meg.htm

 

[HappyPuppy]

Reminds me of the stories that have been floating around forever about perpetual motion machines. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Reminds me of the stories that have been floating around forever about perpetual motion machines. I'll believe it when I see it.

Tell me about it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Uh... woah. That anim of the thing working is pretty cool. But, like Happy said, it's not likely, imho. Energy doesn't get created, it just changes from one form to another. Those "power plants" are simply converting energy into a form that we can use. This thing will likely do the same. There has to be *something* that the energy comes from. Lets hope you don't have to plug it in or use batteries to power it

nik

 

[Electric Amish]

*cough*coldfusion*cough*

amish

 

[Ultima]

I read the link and it it really works, that'd be pretty damn cool.

 

[Wallydraigle]

I've heard of these things, but not for a long time. I'm sure it works. I mean, lemons never get patented, and besides, it's on the internet

Do we have any good conspiracy theories as to why no one has these yet?

 

[rgwalt]

I'll believe it when I see it. I haven't seen or heard about any peer-reviewed scientific papers that document these claims. Nor have I seen any papers that can confirm what the experiments discovered. Peer review is a very important process in scientific discovery. If you can't explain how something works to other scientists, then it is unexplainable.

That being said, if these things are real and do go into mass production, I'll grab a few for my apartment. They need a unit that can plug into a wall and act as a backup or supplimental generator. Think about the possibilities for a UPS for your computer. Sweet...

Ryan

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
*cough*coldfusion*cough*

amish

Damn Utahns.

 

[Tominator]

Energy from the 4th dimension! Why didn't I think of that!

That guy needs a wave file. The old series "The Outer Limits" comes to mind and it's theme would fit this perfectly...

 

[Ultima]

Such a tech would be better than battery-powered or even fuel-cell powered electric cars. No batteries, AND no fuel needed. Then you just need a generator and motor powerful enough for decent performance like we've come to expect from gas-powered cars.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Ultima
Such a tech would be better than battery-powered or even fuel-cell powered electric cars. No batteries, AND no fuel needed. Then you just need a generator and motor powerful enough for decent performance like we've come to expect from gas-powered cars.

Stage Power Gain Power Output

1 1.75 175watts
2 3.06 306watts
3 5.36 536watts
4 9.38 938watts
5 16.41 1,641watts
6 28.72 2,872watts
7 50.27 5,027watts
8 87.96 8,796watts
9 153.94 15,934watts

What this means is you could create a power system to provide all your household power needs with only 100 watts drawn from the power grid. The only real reason to use the power grid is for the right frequency for all your present appliances. Done with an oscillator you could use a battery or hand crank generator to start it up and then run off a capacitor bank for the first stage. If the magnetic transistor idea proves out then one stage or two stages might be sufficient.

So it takes power to make power. at 2^9 size you will get 15934 watts of power (21 HP). that first unit looks to be about .5 cubic feet, so to make 21 hp the unit would be aprox 256 cubic feet. Kinda large for 21 hp.

 

[goodoptics]

<< But according to the new science of scalar electromagnetics, the MEG does not break the law of conservation of energy. It's just that the energy is conserved in the fourth dimension, time, and not our 3-space world. >>

very interesting.

 

[Evadman]

On my quick look, it seems to be taking thepower from the magnetic flux. The magnets will slowly become de-magnitized over time.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

What a load of bull.

 

[Wallydraigle]

What a load of bull.

No it's not. It's like microwaves, and non-dairy creamer. No one really knows how they work.

 

[Legendary]

Non-dairy creamer still confuses me. Everytime I see it at shoprite I pick it up and examine it to see if the carton has info, but it never does.

 

[The Stigenator]

An electromagnetic generator without moving parts includes a permanent magnet and a magnetic core including first and second magnetic paths. A first input coil and a first output coil extend around portions of the first magnetic path, while a second input coil and a second output coil extend around portions of the second magnetic path. The input coils are alternatively pulsed to provide induced current pulses in the output coils. Driving electrical current through each of the input coils reduces a level of flux from the permanent magnet within the magnet path around which the input coil extends. In an alternative embodiment of an electromagnetic generator, the magnetic core includes annular spaced-apart plates, with posts and permanent magnets extending in an alternating fashion between the plates. An output coil extends around each of these posts. Input coils extending around portions of the plates are pulsed to cause the induction of current within the output coils.

Now that we have established that.. lets look at how we get this machine started. Oh yeah we need a power source.. a power source that will create alternate pulses on the interior magnets. Problem is that you can only generate as much as the original source and not more. However bigger the secondary coils are. I know cause I tried this technique years ago in the search for perpetual motion. You cant have a perpetual motion cause the energy created is a little bit more than the energy used to start the machine - that if little more is present. You then have to "redirect" your energy to still create more "pulses" and while your doing that you have no spare energy.. hence you cant do much more than keep the machine running. Eventually due to resistance of the wires and the effect of earth's magnetic field the system will come to a grinding halt.

How the heck did the US Patent office patent this.. ofcourse everyone's dream is a perpetual motion machine, but the point is that you cant have one with words like 4th dimension.


Better yet is this Forever Flash light - and this thing works!

 

[chiwawa626]

Now that would be an awsome science project

 

[alphatarget1]

TINSTAAFL

 

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: Evadman
On my quick look, it seems to be taking thepower from the magnetic flux. The magnets will slowly become de-magnitized over time.

My thoughts exactly. However if they are drawing as much power as they say, those very espensive magnets will become de-magnitized very quickly. Sounds like very expensive energy to me.

 

[Torghn]

Better yet is this Forever Flash light - and this thing works!

That looks cool, I'm going to have to try and build one. Doesn't look to hard.

 

[Draknor]

I think it sounds pretty interesting. The physics are really deep, probably beyond any of us here (anyone know active vacuums & broken symmetry?), but there is definitely more to this than we can just debunk by saying "Perpetual motion - ain't gonna happen" and laughing.

For a pretty good (LONG) read, check out this letter. Here's a basic synopsis (my interp):

1. It's not "energy for nothing" - it's taking energy from the environment and little-to-no operator energy, and producing output. Think of it like a windmill - a windmill is not perpetual energy source, but, so long as the wind is blowing, more energy is being put out of the system then the operator is putting in. The input energy comes from the environment. That's what's happening here, only it's some form of magentic "wind".

2. The trick is in intercepting and collecting that magnetic "wind". That's where the physics get deep & mucky and beyond my understanding.

And that seems to be how this works. I think it sounds cool. I want one

 

[Draknor]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Evadman
On my quick look, it seems to be taking thepower from the magnetic flux. The magnets will slowly become de-magnitized over time.

My thoughts exactly. However if they are drawing as much power as they say, those very espensive magnets will become de-magnitized very quickly. Sounds like very expensive energy to me.

A response to that...

This letter would appear to address that issue, though I'm not sure how. I just don't understand the physics behind it. Here's a clip:

The magnets are indeed freely replenished, it seems, and do not run down. Any dipole -- including the dipole of a permanent magnet -- has a known broken symmetry in the vacuum virtual particle flux, proven in physics in 1957. That means that a dipole (its opposite charges) continuously absorbs virtual photons from the seething vacuum, transduces (coherently integrate) that energy into real observable EM energy, and pours out real observable photons in all direction. Again, this has been proven in particle physics since 1957, and one does not have to reprove it.

 

[The Stigenator]

Theory is theory.. you can patent your theory.. but will it work enough to provide a stable power for a certain amount of time. I would have go with "no" ..
You can patent anything and chances are the US Patent Office will patent it for you, but the problem is getting it to work for you.
People are patenting all kind of weird things today but granted half of them will not see the light of day.. back in the day you patent something as a working invention or something not something that is so out of this world that it will take 1000 years for man to get it.. and by then your patent will be useless.