Free Cars!

[kage69]

I don't agree with this at all, not when there are public and private modes of transportation already available paired with the notion of vouchers.

Trimmed down cel phones, ok. Cars? Wtf? Only a matter of time before this is abused or becomes a fiscal and/or political liability.

Mass. still has a lot of crazy to cover to catch up with the likes of Arkansas or Alabama though.

 

[dfuze]

Im curious where they get 6k a year figure from. I mean title/registration on an old charity car has to be next to nothing. AAA membership is also pretty cheap. Insurance on old cars is also pretty cheap. My guess is all of that total should not be more than $1k on an old charity beater.

Hell my 2009 Forrester and 2011 Grand Cherokee insurance, registration and AAA membership (if i had one) wouldnt be more than 2K/year. I smell fraud or waste somewhere.

Looks like the 6k comes from the program budget of 400,000 divided by the 65 cars it does each year. I'm guessing it also rolls salaries of state workers who work on the program.

 

[Thump553]

I'm waiting for one of these dingbats to start screaming that my town's public library (been around for a couple hundred years now) is also a nefarious communist/socialist institution.

 

[spidey07]

I'm waiting for one of these dingbats to start screaming that my town's public library (been around for a couple hundred years now) is also a nefarious communist/socialist institution.

So I take it you support state and federal tax payer money being used to provide a car, AAA membership, the whole shebang?

I'm waiting for a liberal to try and justify this.

 

[ayabe]

So I take it you support state and federal tax payer money being used to provide a car, AAA membership, the whole shebang?

I'm waiting for a liberal to try and justify this.

"Kehoe defended the program, saying the state breaks even by cutting welfare payments to the family - about $6,000 a year."

From your link.

Federal dollars aren't being used and although you secretly want to be a Masshole, you don't live there, it's their money, so you shouldn't give even a 1/4 fuck about this.

 

[spidey07]

"Kehoe defended the program, saying the state breaks even by cutting welfare payments to the family - about $6,000 a year."

From your link.

Federal dollars aren't being used and although you secretly want to be a Masshole, you don't live there, it's their money, so you shouldn't give even a 1/4 fuck about this.

Again, she's talking about if they get off welfare. There is nothing in the application or anywhere else I can find that says that if you take the free car they reduce or eliminate your welfare payments 6k a year.

 

[soulcougher73]

nm

 

[Pens1566]

Again, she's talking about if they get off welfare. There is nothing in the application or anywhere else I can find that says that if you take the free car they reduce or eliminate your welfare payments 6k a year.

Completely off topic, but:

Are you going to change your name/avatar now that Spiderman is actually part black, part hispanic???

 

[ayabe]

Again, she's talking about if they get off welfare. There is nothing in the application or anywhere else I can find that says that if you take the free car they reduce or eliminate your welfare payments 6k a year.

My reading of the article is that this is to encourage employment, if they are pulling in wages or better wages than they were before then their welfare payments will go down - that's the way it works, right?

No, taking the car doesn't automatically remove you from the welfare roles but when the math is done quarterly or whatever, it'll be readjusted based on current need - just like it is for everyone else.

Without numbers to the contrary I'd say we have to rely on Kehoe's statement, it's more or less a net wash on the numbers, while getting people out working is a boost to the local economy.

That would count as a net positive based on the available facts.

 

[umbrella39]

When is the OP going to post about all the FREE SHIT he gets sitting at home while his wife works?

 

[umbrella39]

If it's a black car, I'm sure spidey is against it.

LMFAO! So true and pathetic...

 

[her209]

I don't agree with this at all, not when there are public and private modes of transportation already available paired with the notion of vouchers.

Trimmed down cel phones, ok. Cars? Wtf? Only a matter of time before this is abused or becomes a fiscal and/or political liability.

Mass. still has a lot of crazy to cover to catch up with the likes of Arkansas or Alabama though.

:hmm:

To get the cars, they must be unable to reach work by public transportation and have a clean driving record. The program is only available to families on welfare with children.

Kehoe said the bulk of cars go to places with less public transportation, such as Fitchburg, New Bedford and Lowell.

 

[werepossum]

Im curious where they get 6k a year figure from. I mean title/registration on an old charity car has to be next to nothing. AAA membership is also pretty cheap. Insurance on old cars is also pretty cheap. My guess is all of that total should not be more than $1k on an old charity beater.

Hell my 2009 Forrester and 2011 Grand Cherokee insurance, registration and AAA membership (if i had one) wouldnt be more than 2K/year. I smell fraud or waste somewhere.

Fraud or waste in a federal government program? I'm gonna need a minute to absorb that new concept . . .

"We've provided for your housing, food, cable TV, Internet, cell phone, and an insured car. Now you can go out and get a job."

"Yeah, funny thing. That urge to get a job doesn't seem nearly as pressing as it was before I had free housing, food, cable TV, Internet, cell phone, and an insured car. Maybe tomorrow . . ."

 

[her209]

Again, she's talking about if they get off welfare. There is nothing in the application or anywhere else I can find that says that if you take the free car they reduce or eliminate your welfare payments 6k a year.

Link to application?

EDIT: Nvm. I see it a possible link at the bottom of the article.

 

[Turin39789]

Again, she's talking about if they get off welfare. There is nothing in the application or anywhere else I can find that says that if you take the free car they reduce or eliminate your welfare payments 6k a year.

But Kehoe admitted about 20 percent of those who received a car ended up back on welfare, and while they lose the insurance and other benefits, they don’t have to return the car.

So 80% of them do not end up back on welfare? Sounds like a deal.

 

[CitizenKain]

Wait, another thread in which spidey is lying his ass off? What a shocker!

 

[spidey07]

Wait, another thread in which spidey is lying his ass off? What a shocker!

How so? I know reality and facts to a liberal are like garlic to a vampire causing them to hiss and scuttle back into darkness, but what's not true about getting a free car and all expenses/repairs/insurance and a AAA membership if you're on welfare?

 

[shiner]

Oklahoma has been doing this for years. I have a friend who worked for OKDHS and she told me about the practice of the State purchasing cars for welfare recipients so they could look for work/drive to work once they found a job.

Back then, this was in 1998, the state would pay for the vehicle outright. They also paid the insurance and $100 worth of gas per month for as long as the person remained on any kind of assistance.

 

[sandorski]

Ok, so they're likely cars that I wouldn't even think of buying, the cars are donated by private parties precisely to give to the needy, and it's a state program in a state I don't live in. 404 Error: Outrage not found.

404 error: It's Spidey, outrage found.

 

[spidey07]

404 error: It's Spidey, outrage found.

Do you get all your repairs, taxes, insurance, AND a AAA membership paid for by taxpayers? Because that's what this is. A totally free care, all expenses paid, everything, for free.

 

[dali71]

Completely off topic, but:

Are you going to change your name/avatar now that Spiderman is actually part black, part hispanic???

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-08-01-black-spider-man_n.htm

In the regular Marvel Universe, Peter Parker will still be the same web-swinging Spidey as he has been since his first appearance in 1962. But in the Ultimate line, launched in 2000 to tell contemporary stories, he received a new origin and a reimagined supporting cast that paralleled the Spidey in regular Marvel continuity.

I'm not a comic book reader, but even I know about the Marvel multiverse. Peter Parker is alive and well.

 

[werepossum]

So 80% of them do not end up back on welfare? Sounds like a deal.

Although I am fundamentally against government giveaway programs for able-bodied people, I have to admit that any government program with an 80% success rate at getting people off welfare is staggering successful. Color me tentatively a supporter.

 

[kranky]

We help support a charity here that has a similar program. They take donated cars, get any problems fixed (average cost $900), and get them to people in need, which most often is a single working mother. They get an AAA membership, a full tank of gas, and a six-month warranty on the car. And they have to pay an average of $2500 for the car.

No government funds. Low overhead. And the recipients have some skin in the game so it's not simply a handout.

 

[spidey07]

We help support a charity here that has a similar program. They take donated cars, get any problems fixed (average cost $900), and get them to people in need, which most often is a single working mother. They get an AAA membership, a full tank of gas, and a six-month warranty on the car. And they have to pay an average of $2500 for the car.

No government funds. Low overhead. And the recipients have some skin in the game so it's not simply a handout.

Sounds like a good charity to support.

 

[Spikesoldier]

look at it this way:

if its given when they finally land a job and it gives them reliable transportation to work, that means they make money and get OFF of welfare. now think about that.