Fraud voter registration in Louisiana?

Svnla

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Registrar culling onslaught of Democratic voter registrations
By Ana Radelat ? aradelat@gns.gannett.com ? June 18, 2008

Aggressive Democratic voter registration drive in Louisiana is troubling election officials who say a flood of new applications ? some apparently fraudulent ? have strained resources.

Ernie Roberson, registrar of Caddo Parish, said problems began May 28, when a representative of Voting is Power ? a group funded by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ? dropped a stack of registration cards on the front counter of his office.

Since then, he's received about 8,000 registrations from the group, which he says makes him suspicious.

"It's very hard to find that many unregistered voters in Caddo Parish," he said.

Nearly 700 of the applications came from felons. Roberson said he notified those applicants that they must present a Department of Corrections release letter to be eligible to vote.
He said he was left with 2,877 forms after removing the felons' applications and forms that were duplicates, incomplete or belonged to other parishes. When he tried to process the remaining forms, he said, 999 were kicked back because they contained an incorrect Social Security or driver's license number.

"When you get 34 percent of the applications back, the red flags go up," Roberson said.

Roberson said he asked Republican Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne for additional temporary staff to handle the flood of new voter registration applications.

DSCC spokesman Matthew Miller said problems with the voter registration drive were a normal result of efforts to register huge numbers of new voters.

"Our goal has been to register as many people as possible," Miller said. "It's our understanding some of the registrars have been overwhelmed, and we want to work with them to get everyone who is eligible registered."

Jacques Berry, Dardenne's spokesman, said Voting is Power's problems in Caddo and other parishes prompted a meeting with representatives of the group last week.

"We wanted to know their practices and let them know our concerns with incomplete and fraudulent forms," Berry said.

Brian Welsh, coordinator for Louisiana Victory, an umbrella organization for state and national Democrats, said canvassers are required by law to turn in all forms they collect, even if they suspect they're fraudulent.

"We have been and are continuing to work with the registrars in what is an unprecedented effort," he said.

Welsh said the Voting is Power campaign collected 74,000 voter registration forms in more than 30 parishes. He said efforts were concentrated in four parishes ? Caddo, East Baton Rouge, New Orleans and Jefferson ? with large populations of blacks, who usually register as Democrats.

Local Democrats also are trying to register new voters this year.

Bertha Jimison, 60, a staunch supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, said she's trying to coordinate with local churches and other groups in Shreveport to organize a voter registration festival called "You Can Vote Too."

She hopes the new voters will include felons who mistakenly think they permanently lost their right to vote when they were sentenced to jail.

Adding felons to the rolls "is a special campaign within itself," said a posting by Jimison on the Obama campaign Web site last week.

Jimison said that after talking to felons who thought they couldn't vote, she researched the issue and discovered Louisiana law allows felons to vote after they complete their sentences.

She wants all eligible voters to cast ballots this year.

"There seems to be a lot of people in this town who are not voting but should be," Jimison said.

http://shreveporttimes.com/app...01/806180407/1002/NEWS

Interesting. I believe if you can't show ID, you can't vote. Don't give me "ID is a burden" crap. You need ID to do almost everything, why not to vote?
 

Craig234

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Every analysis I've seen of the issue says that there is a *very* low level of voter fraud, and that the ID laws have far greater reductions in legitimate Democratic voters than they fix in fraudulent ones, and that ID laws are pursued by Republicans for that effect of reducing legitimate Democratic voters.

On the other hand, democrats don't have all that strong a defense for why ID laws are inherently wrong; they do have the argument which is both self-interested and has some merit based on the principles of democracy that the effect does count, and reducing legitimate voters is not a good thing, but they're no doubt primarily motivated by the votes they lose.

It's a simple political issue.
 

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Not exactly new and actually something that concerns me more than the voting machines. ACORN (another Dem supporter) was busted for doing the same thing a couple of times in the last two elections. I can't find the article now, but there was something about Philadelphia or Pennsylvania that had more votes than people eligible to vote during the 2004 election.
 

EagleKeeper

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How do you put down an incorrect SS # or DL#.

Are people so incompetent that thay can not copy the information properly from the proper ID card.

Duplicates? - You would think that a person would know if they have been asked about registration previously. How many of the duplicates had invalid data on them?

And this is only in one parish/county.
 

fskimospy

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I'm trying to think of how this has anything to do with voter ID laws, but I'm drawing a blank. So felons registered to vote with their real names, people put down a bad social security number, and you're trying to use this to support the idea of showing ID at a polling place? I'll definitely give you that ID is a burden crap though. In person voter fraud is all but nonexistent in the US. Giving ID at the polling place only exists to prevent in person voter fraud. Therefore the ID requirement is burdening citizens to combat a problem that for all reasonable purposes does not exist. This is dumb. The end.
 

Svnla

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Craig - I don't see how ID laws can stop a "legit" voter if she or he wants to cast her/his rightfully vote. A "very low" level of fraud is still UNACCEPTABLE. One fraud is one too many, especially in a tightly contest.

Most of the voters are drivers = photo driver ID = good enough.

If you don't drive or don't have a driver ID for whatever reason, then state or local government will provide you with a photo ID for free or with minimal charge.

I also say that if anyone is planning voter fraud, the guilty party will lose the seat if they won the contest and everything must be up and up in voter data <registration, location, good to vote, etc.>

Tell me again how ID laws are "evil" plans from white supremacists to stop good honest minorities to vote? If you are truly a legit voter with nothing to hide like myself, why would that stop you to vote? Oh..I get it, typical...blame on Bush or Republicans. Just like Katrina...no buses to move people out of harm way..but there were plenty of buses to pick them up to vote for Nagin.

<<<<----------- is a minority but not native born...thanks goodness.
 

OrByte

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There is no question of the record turnout anticipated for the next election. And there are going to be a TON of registrations drives all around the country. I am going to go out on a limb and say that not all of these registration drives are going to be honest, and/or accurate in its practices. But we need to be careful about claiming fraud if there is no evidence that exists to support it. According to your article, no one is accusing the democratic party of fraud in the "Voting is Power" drive. The Registrars office is concerned about incomplete or fraudulent forms, but that is not accusing anyone of fraud...yet.

"canvassers are required by law to turn in all forms they collect, even if they suspect they're fraudulent."

so tell me, how is this voter fraud? Is there evidence that the canvassers of "Voting is Power" are forging these registrations? If so there isn't any evidence outlined in the article. Unless you count incorrect social security numbers or drivers license numbers as evidence of fraud.

and what does Voter ID have to do with any of it? Are people showing up to vote already?! and they don't have IDs!?!?!

the nerve!!!
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Svnla
Craig - I don't see how ID laws can stop a "legit" voter if she or he wants to cast her rightfully vote. A "very low" level of fraud is still UNACCEPTABLE. One fraud is one too many, especially in a tightly contest.

Most of the voters are drivers = photo driver ID = good enough.

If you don't drive or don't have a driver ID for whatever reason, then state or local government will provide you with an photo ID for free or with minimal charge.

Tell me again how ID laws are "evil" plans from white supremacists to stop good honest minorities to vote? If you are truly a legit voter with nothing to hide like myself, why would that stop you to vote? Oh..I get it, typical...blame on Bush or Republicans.

<<<<----------- is a minority but not native born...thanks goodness.

settled down beavis, your real agenda is beginning to show. :p
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Svnla
Craig - I don't see how ID laws can stop a "legit" voter if she or he wants to cast her rightfully vote. A "very low" level of fraud is still UNACCEPTABLE. One fraud is one too many, especially in a tightly contest.

Most of the voters are drivers = photo driver ID = good enough.

If you don't drive or don't have a driver ID for whatever reason, then state or local government will provide you with an photo ID for free or with minimal charge.

Tell me again how ID laws are "evil" plans from white supremacists to stop good honest minorities to vote? If you are truly a legit voter with nothing to hide like myself, why would that stop you to vote? Oh..I get it, typical...blame on Bush or Republicans.

<<<<----------- is a minority but not native born...thanks goodness.

And one disenfranchised voter is one too many, especially in a tight contest.

Like say... this one for starters.
 

babylon5

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I don't see what the big deal is requiring to show ID to vote.

When you go buy things using credit card, most of the time you need show your ID. At airport, you need to show some ID if you want to fly.

I don't see any excuse that people can't get or show ID in our society. The only people I think have problems with ID is blind people, or disabled, or mentally challenged people (who has no concept of ID or politics in first place). At least for blind people, someone can help them pick out the ID, because their brain are still functional. For disabled people, again, get someone with hand function to take out ID from their draw and drive them to vote.

The abiliy to show I.D. is not rocket science or nulcear physics.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: babylon5
I don't see what the big deal is requiring to show ID to vote.

When you go buy things using credit card, most of the time you need show your ID. At airport, you need to show some ID if you want to fly.

I don't see any excuse that people can't get or show ID in our society. The only people I think have problems with ID is blind people, or disabled, or mentally challenged people (who has no concept of ID or politics in first place). At least for blind people, someone can help them pick out the ID, because their brain are still functional. For disabled people, again, get someone with hand function to take out ID from their draw and drive them to vote.

The abiliy to show I.D. is not rocket science or nulcear physics.

ehhh I think the issue is mainly surrounding the low-income/poor. I think IDs need to be valid/current and stuff like that or you can be turned away, I could be wrong though. You can imagine in an economy like todays, people are not current on their bills, and stuff like making sure you have a current state photo ID takes a back seat. I know my drivers license isn't current...it still has my old OLD address on it :eek:

Its sort of like car registration. I am simply amazed at how many cars are on the road these days with expired tags. Oops I digress...

So the general argument is that the poor vote democratic. So you are limiting the democratic vote by limiting the poor from going out to the voting booth because they might not have valid IDs. And they can't afford to maintain valid IDs.

I think thats the argument. I know that if the vote was held today, I probably could not vote because my ID is outdated and therefore invalid. Luckily I have $$ to go to the DMV and get it taken care of....I suspect that is not the case for some people. shrug.

but this has nothing to do with voter registration in Lousiana, which is what the OP would like us to discuss :p
 

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Originally posted by: OrByte

ehhh I think the issue is mainly surrounding the low-income/poor. I think IDs need to be valid/current and stuff like that or you can be turned away, I could be wrong though. You can imagine in an economy like todays, people are not current on their bills, and stuff like making sure you have a current state photo ID takes a back seat. I know my drivers license isn't current...it still has my old OLD address on it :eek:

Its sort of like car registration. I am simply amazed at how many cars are on the road these days with expired tags. Oops I digress...

So the general argument is that the poor vote democratic. So you are limiting the democratic vote by limiting the poor from going out to the voting booth because they might not have valid IDs. And they can't afford to maintain valid IDs.

I think thats the argument. I know that if the vote was held today, I probably could not vote because my ID is outdated and therefore invalid. Luckily I have $$ to go to the DMV and get it taken care of....I suspect that is not the case for some people. shrug.

but this has nothing to do with voter registration in Lousiana, which is what the OP would like us to discuss :p


I can see if some people don't need to drive daily, then they are not as concern about updating their ID.
It's not like they worry if they get pull over, cops might wonder what they are doing far from their home.
The poor might not even have credit card either, and not likely they would fly to travel...so they won't have updated ID, that is if they still have ID at all...

Do you run into problems with your driver license not current though? I guess if you dont' drive you should be fine from potential problems.
 

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the issue is are the voter drives, pulling people off the street and attempting to register them or are the filling out the forms for people (illegal in some areas) or preparing forms from names from some source (phone book?) (illegal peroid)

Some registration drives pay people by the paper - creating an incentive for incomplete, inaccurate & fraud.

I am sure that if such problems continue to surface, LA will investigate and the targets will then complain discrimination and an attempt to violate civil rights because of the investigation.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: babylon5
Originally posted by: OrByte

ehhh I think the issue is mainly surrounding the low-income/poor. I think IDs need to be valid/current and stuff like that or you can be turned away, I could be wrong though. You can imagine in an economy like todays, people are not current on their bills, and stuff like making sure you have a current state photo ID takes a back seat. I know my drivers license isn't current...it still has my old OLD address on it :eek:

Its sort of like car registration. I am simply amazed at how many cars are on the road these days with expired tags. Oops I digress...

So the general argument is that the poor vote democratic. So you are limiting the democratic vote by limiting the poor from going out to the voting booth because they might not have valid IDs. And they can't afford to maintain valid IDs.

I think thats the argument. I know that if the vote was held today, I probably could not vote because my ID is outdated and therefore invalid. Luckily I have $$ to go to the DMV and get it taken care of....I suspect that is not the case for some people. shrug.

but this has nothing to do with voter registration in Lousiana, which is what the OP would like us to discuss :p


I can see if some people don't need to drive daily, then they are not as concern about updating their ID.
It's not like they worry if they get pull over, cops might wonder what they are doing far from their home.
The poor might not even have credit card either, and not likely they would fly to travel...so they won't have updated ID, that is if they still have ID at all...

Do you run into problems with your driver license not current though? I guess if you dont' drive you should be fine from potential problems.
ohhh I imagine if I got pulled over I'd be given some trouble for it. :eek:

I have it on my to-do list...

But like I said ,imho stuff like this gets put on the back burner, especially when people have other things they need to be spending their $$ on like gas and food and prescriptions. Maintaining a valid state ID isn't as easy for some people. And now the issue is requiring valid ID as a prerequiste for voting? hmmmm I dunno....I guess it is a measure to combat fraud, but I think maybe the cost outweighs any benefit.

imho we should be using tools and measures to help people vote that want to vote... and we should be gauging our tools used to combat fraud against whether or not those same tools are barriers to voting. It will always be a finicky balance. And just like everything politically correct in this world there is a tipping point. Just look at some of these zero tolerance policies at schools.
 

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I believe that you should have to show ID to vote.

Now can we fix the damn machines while we're at it?
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: naddicott
I'm not totally against ID laws, but they have to figure out how to handle exceptions like this. Denying the vote to a citizen who has been voting since 1932 is reprehensible.

http://www.acdl.com/voter%20re...n%20requirementsLF.htm

Doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Why doesn't she go get a non-operators ID? The requirements don't seem to need a birth certificate from what I could find.


How apologetically lame. requirements for any form of state ID are the same at the level of establishing identity, residency, and lawful presence...

Actual voter fraud is a republican boogeyman, actual instances of it today being vanishingly small. It's an attempt to impose additional requirements for voting w/o making any case for it at all.
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: naddicott
I'm not totally against ID laws, but they have to figure out how to handle exceptions like this. Denying the vote to a citizen who has been voting since 1932 is reprehensible.

http://www.acdl.com/voter%20re...n%20requirementsLF.htm

Doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Why doesn't she go get a non-operators ID? The requirements don't seem to need a birth certificate from what I could find.


How apologetically lame. requirements for any form of state ID are the same at the level of establishing identity, residency, and lawful presence...

Actual voter fraud is a republican boogeyman, actual instances of it today being vanishingly small. It's an attempt to impose additional requirements for voting w/o making any case for it at all.

Is just one person standing in on anothers name not enough.
As long as the government will provide a valid ID for those that do not already have one; if it can remove the perception (if not reality that has previosuly existed) of fraud, it is worth it.

Those that fight against it have a hard time justifing why not except for the political angle.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
the issue is are the voter drives, pulling people off the street and attempting to register them or are the filling out the forms for people (illegal in some areas) or preparing forms from names from some source (phone book?) (illegal peroid)

Some registration drives pay people by the paper - creating an incentive for incomplete, inaccurate & fraud.

I am sure that if such problems continue to surface, LA will investigate and the targets will then complain discrimination and an attempt to violate civil rights because of the investigation.

Don't be so sure, remember the hubub and gnashing of teeth over voter ID reform after the 04 elections? What's different today... not much.

Fact is, it is reasonable to expect every citizen to have a state or federal issued photo ID showing their current address as a requirement to vote (either in person or when requesting an absentee ballot). Making said ID free to all Americans is also something I'm fine with to ensure there are no excuses for not having one when it comes time to vote.

Requiring ID does not discriminate against anyone, it simply helps to prevent blatant abuse of the voting system. I don't care which side of the aisle you associate with on this issue, this is just common sense.
 

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Originally posted by: yuppiejr
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
the issue is are the voter drives, pulling people off the street and attempting to register them or are the filling out the forms for people (illegal in some areas) or preparing forms from names from some source (phone book?) (illegal peroid)

Some registration drives pay people by the paper - creating an incentive for incomplete, inaccurate & fraud.

I am sure that if such problems continue to surface, LA will investigate and the targets will then complain discrimination and an attempt to violate civil rights because of the investigation.

Don't be so sure, remember the hubub and gnashing of teeth over voter ID reform after the 04 elections? What's different today... not much.

Fact is, it is reasonable to expect every citizen to have a state or federal issued photo ID showing their current address as a requirement to vote (either in person or when requesting an absentee ballot). Making said ID free to all Americans is also something I'm fine with to ensure there are no excuses for not having one when it comes time to vote.

Requiring ID does not discriminate against anyone, it simply helps to prevent blatant abuse of the voting system. I don't care which side of the aisle you associate with on this issue, this is just common sense.
I can agree with that if you agree that the bulk of any type of fraud comes not from face to face voting fraud, but rather from the processes, systems, and machines used to register/count votes and/or register voters.

this too is just common sense no?

In which case, why can't we agree to prioritize an approach to fixing any voting or voter fraud in this country? Or maybe we already have?

I don't understand all of the issue...Im just throwing that out there.

 

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Is it possible that those that do not want to prevent the potential of voter fraud are benefiting form it?

Just like asking a politician to enforce ethics.
 

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Originally posted by: Svnla
Registrar culling onslaught of Democratic voter registrations
By Ana Radelat ? aradelat@gns.gannett.com ? June 18, 2008

Aggressive Democratic voter registration drive in Louisiana is troubling election officials who say a flood of new applications ? some apparently fraudulent ? have strained resources.

Ernie Roberson, registrar of Caddo Parish, said problems began May 28, when a representative of Voting is Power ? a group funded by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ? dropped a stack of registration cards on the front counter of his office.

Since then, he's received about 8,000 registrations from the group, which he says makes him suspicious.

"It's very hard to find that many unregistered voters in Caddo Parish," he said.

Nearly 700 of the applications came from felons. Roberson said he notified those applicants that they must present a Department of Corrections release letter to be eligible to vote.
He said he was left with 2,877 forms after removing the felons' applications and forms that were duplicates, incomplete or belonged to other parishes. When he tried to process the remaining forms, he said, 999 were kicked back because they contained an incorrect Social Security or driver's license number.

"When you get 34 percent of the applications back, the red flags go up," Roberson said.

Roberson said he asked Republican Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne for additional temporary staff to handle the flood of new voter registration applications.

DSCC spokesman Matthew Miller said problems with the voter registration drive were a normal result of efforts to register huge numbers of new voters.

"Our goal has been to register as many people as possible," Miller said. "It's our understanding some of the registrars have been overwhelmed, and we want to work with them to get everyone who is eligible registered."

Jacques Berry, Dardenne's spokesman, said Voting is Power's problems in Caddo and other parishes prompted a meeting with representatives of the group last week.

"We wanted to know their practices and let them know our concerns with incomplete and fraudulent forms," Berry said.

Brian Welsh, coordinator for Louisiana Victory, an umbrella organization for state and national Democrats, said canvassers are required by law to turn in all forms they collect, even if they suspect they're fraudulent.

"We have been and are continuing to work with the registrars in what is an unprecedented effort," he said.

Welsh said the Voting is Power campaign collected 74,000 voter registration forms in more than 30 parishes. He said efforts were concentrated in four parishes ? Caddo, East Baton Rouge, New Orleans and Jefferson ? with large populations of blacks, who usually register as Democrats.

Local Democrats also are trying to register new voters this year.

Bertha Jimison, 60, a staunch supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, said she's trying to coordinate with local churches and other groups in Shreveport to organize a voter registration festival called "You Can Vote Too."

She hopes the new voters will include felons who mistakenly think they permanently lost their right to vote when they were sentenced to jail.

Adding felons to the rolls "is a special campaign within itself," said a posting by Jimison on the Obama campaign Web site last week.

Jimison said that after talking to felons who thought they couldn't vote, she researched the issue and discovered Louisiana law allows felons to vote after they complete their sentences.

She wants all eligible voters to cast ballots this year.

"There seems to be a lot of people in this town who are not voting but should be," Jimison said.

http://shreveporttimes.com/app...01/806180407/1002/NEWS

Interesting. I believe if you can't show ID, you can't vote. Don't give me "ID is a burden" crap. You need ID to do almost everything, why not to vote?

Seems like the registration process is working just as it should. The lazy bastards are just crying about having do some work instead of sitting on their hands and getting paid for that. What has it got to do with requiring picture voter ID? nothing?
 

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Seems like the registration process is working just as it should. The lazy bastards are just crying about having do some work instead of sitting on their hands and getting paid for that. What has it got to do with requiring picture voter ID? nothing?
The problem seems to be the quality of registration forms that are coming in.

It is felt that there shoiuld be not so much flawed data compared to when people register in person.

When it comes down to the final time period to be registered and your paperwork can not be processed because of errors on your form or wasted time due to other flawed forms; whose fault is it.

Some voter registration drives, coiunt on getting errors slipped through because of time contstraints.