Frank, Paul Legislation Would End Federal Ban On Pot

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Infohawk

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This is the video that converted me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY

Liked it except at the end where they infuse some text suggesting other regulations are over the line... Friedman didn't say anything about them in the video.

This was suggested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xeebU8VhmY&feature=related

Look at the douchenozzle who starts out the video (acting like China at the time was a great place to be in the late 1970s)... reminds me of what some of the people on this board must be like.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Wow, news to me, guess that's what I get for not keeping up on the issue. Not sure if we can attribute all of it to Obama though, some of the links you provided mention state governors doing the banning. The 'destroy' link has nothing to do with the destruction of any law as well, it's a story about Vt legalizing it.
I get the impression that there are many state level politicians who disagree with their states voters and prefer the federal view, and have gone about supporting it where possible. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Big Pharma was working the ropes as well. Whether Obama, Holder, etc are actively promoting this is a different question, but regardless they deserve any and all bashing here as they don't seem to be concerned about this shift in position that is clearly contrary to what he campaigned on.

Bullshit. :(


DOJ isn't as bad as it was under that fvckwad Gonzales, but Holder isn't really doing much to improve it's image here. Guess the Obama admin is hellbent on driving off supporters...
 

airdata

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Jul 11, 2010
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Sadly this is true.
Depressing isn't it?

I applaud them for trying though.

Yeah... it is sad.

All anti-pot arguments are baseless and simply old. It was made illegal using lies and propaganda in the first place. Keeping it illegal just lets you know that our lawmakers are ignorant and not really doing their job.
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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Law enforcement and the war on drugs crowd have a lot of clout on capitol hill but the two groups I'm concerned about are the liquor and tobacco lobbyists. They stand to lose "market share" with a new legal competitor and they will pull out all the political IOU's to stop this idea and discredit the supporters.


The tobacco industry already has the equipment, marketing, distribution in place to jump right in and mass produce a ready made product. Alcohol will never be replaced, and I doubt they would see even marginal dip, alcohol has a solid place established in society.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Marijuana is a terrible idea to use generally. Some people use it with more pleasure than harm, but that's true of heroin too (which is much worse generally).

I've long said, we should investigate the effect of legalizing Marijuana, and consider it. I lean towards doing so.

We should have anti-Marijuana use educational campaigns about the harmful effects, similar to how we do with Cigarettes, and whatever resources are helpful to quit it.

The shifting of the billions of dollars now going to criminal organizations, leading to a lot of violence and other criminal organizations being well funded, the reduction in law enforcement and prison costs, the current prisoners being (presumably) more humanely out of prison and paying taxes, and the movement of the product to legitimate employment and taxation, are benefits that seem to greatly outweigh any benefits of the ban.

The main thing in the way seems to be politicians worried about voter reaction.
 

woolfe9999

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Mar 28, 2005
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Marijuana is a terrible idea to use generally. Some people use it with more pleasure than harm, but that's true of heroin too (which is much worse generally).

I've long said, we should investigate the effect of legalizing Marijuana, and consider it. I lean towards doing so.

We should have anti-Marijuana use educational campaigns about the harmful effects, similar to how we do with Cigarettes, and whatever resources are helpful to quit it.

The shifting of the billions of dollars now going to criminal organizations, leading to a lot of violence and other criminal organizations being well funded, the reduction in law enforcement and prison costs, the current prisoners being (presumably) more humanely out of prison and paying taxes, and the movement of the product to legitimate employment and taxation, are benefits that seem to greatly outweigh any benefits of the ban.

The main thing in the way seems to be politicians worried about voter reaction.

The evidence for the harm in marijuana use is far less than that of tobacco or alcohol. I have no objection to informing the public about health matters, so long is it is done with objective facts and evidence, not appeals to emotion that demonize the substance/behavior and try to turn a health issue into an overwrought moral issue.

- wolf
 

MotF Bane

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Dec 22, 2006
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The evidence for the harm is marijuana use is far less than that of tobacco or alcohol. I have no objection to informing the public about health matters, so long is it is done with objective facts and evidence, not appeals to emotion that demonize the substance/behavior and try to turn a health issue into an overwrought moral issue.

- wolf

It's also not chemically addictive, so nowhere close to cigarettes.