France to recognize Palestinian state at UN

[SandEagle]

http://news.yahoo.com/france-recognize-palestinian-state-un-142746680.html

PARIS (AP) — France announced Tuesday that it plans to vote in favor of recognizing a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.


With the announcement, France becomes the first major European country to come out in favor, dealing a setback to Israel. The timing of the announcement appears aimed at swaying other European nations.

about time. :whiste:

 

[Lemon law]

Its my understanding that Great Britain will also vote the same. In terms of Australia, if their PM had his druthers, Australia would vote no. But given the fact most Australian legislators are inclined to vote yes, we can expect an Australian abstain.

Meanwhile Israel and Obama have been lobbying all nations to vote no for over a year, as the only question that now remains is how badly the UN general assembly will dope slap and isolate the USA. As the only way to avoid being standing up and being counted in the UN General assembly vote is to abstain. Less than two days and counting down left, will more than a dozen nations vote the US way with a no in the general assembly?

 

[Farang]

Is this not different than France recognizing a Palestinian state? Rather, France is voting that the U.N. should recognize a Palestinian state. Seems there would be a big difference.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The Palestinians say the assembly is likely to vote Thursday on a resolution raising their status at the U.N. from an observer to a nonmember observer state, a move they believe is an important step toward a two-state solution with Israel. A Palestinian state would still not be a full General Assembly member, however.

Is this anything other than a diplomatic feel-good manuever? It raises the Palestinians from an insignificant role at the UN to a slightly less insignificant role. Will it change anything? Unlikely.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is this anything other than a diplomatic feel-good manuever? It raises the Palestinians from an insignificant role at the UN to a slightly less insignificant role. Will it change anything? Unlikely.

Actually this is sort of like the Palestinians entering a team in the Paralympics and winning a Gold medal....

 

[berzerker60]

If the Palestinians got UN recognition that would be a big deal, because it would mean Israel was occupying the sovereign territory of another UN member state instead of just enacting apartheid in its own lands. It's a diplomatic issue, but a serious one.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Its my understanding that Great Britain will also vote the same. In terms of Australia, if their PM had his druthers, Australia would vote no. But given the fact most Australian legislators are inclined to vote yes, we can expect an Australian abstain.

Meanwhile Israel and Obama have been lobbying all nations to vote no for over a year, as the only question that now remains is how badly the UN general assembly will dope slap and isolate the USA. As the only way to avoid being standing up and being counted in the UN General assembly vote is to abstain. Less than two days and counting down left, will more than a dozen nations vote the US way with a no in the general assembly?

Our PM is a chick.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this isnt any different really from the position of most countries. the u.s. has supported the establishment of a palestinian state since king george 1

 

[Matt1970]

PARIS (AP) — France announced Tuesday that it plans to surrender to Palestine this week.

FTFY

 

[NTMBK]

FTFY

"Surrender"? What the hell is THAT meant to mean? Did France declare war on Palestine when I wasn't looking?

 

[NTMBK]

Also, good to hear about this. Recognizing that there is a Palestine is the first step to a two state solution.

 

[dennilfloss]

"In favor of recognizing a Palestinian state."

If one is to interpret this in the subtle language of diplomacy, that says only that the existence of a Palestinian state is allowed. We're basically back to what the UN proposed in 1947, except the borders of said state aren't specified this time. Pretty generalized statement and not a big deal in my opinion if worded as such. Just a statement of principle reiterating part of what was proposed 75 years ago.

Unless:

The resolution would endorse a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, the territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war.

We'll have to see the specific wording.

 

[EagleKeeper]

"In favor of recognizing a Palestinian state."

If one is to interpret this in the subtle language of diplomacy, that says only that the existence of a Palestinian state is allowed. We're basically back to what the UN proposed in 1947, except the borders of said state aren't specified this time. Pretty generalized statement and not a big deal in my opinion if worded as such. Just a statement of principle reiterating part of what was proposed 75 years ago.

Unless:

The resolution would endorse a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, the territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war.

We'll have to see the specific wording.

In other words; reward failure and the attempt to destroy Israel.

History after WWII has shown that it is OK to control territory captured in conflict (legit or created) as long as you eventually say you have intentions of giving up control.

 

[dennilfloss]

Oops. Wrong thread.

 

[Whiskey16]

Is this anything other than a diplomatic feel-good manuever?

This permits the recognised Palestinian Authority signatory status on the Rome Statute and thereby recognition and an avenue to pursue legal action against Israel in the International Criminal Court.


It can lead to a significant change upon Israel's international stature and therein is the reason why Israel is adamantly opposed. International support or complacency for criminal actions (extraterritorial expansion and displacing colonisation) can be greatly deterred upon a receiving a strong legal condemnation.

 

[pauldun170]

Its easy to do when you know it isn't going to happen.
Politically its better to support the Palestinians. Underdogs are more popular during tough economic times when voters are bitching.

US and Israel have final say on the matter.
We will say the following. This is VERBATIM from the diplomatic manual our ambassador must follow on this matter:
"Yes we support Palestinians <insert Palestinian request\resolution here>...as long as you also promise never to say bad things about Israel and to label your own government as evil ass munching terrorists who kick puppies. As long as you put that in writing and wear this pink shirt with a unicorn on it we will support you and officially approve. If you do not 100% agree to our terms stated above, we will not sign in favor and will recommend that you sit down for more talks and negotiations and other bullshit like that."

 

[NTMBK]

We will say the following. This is VERBATIM from the diplomatic manual our ambassador must follow on this matter:
"Yes we support Palestinians <insert Palestinian request\resolution here>...as long as you also promise never to say bad things about Israel and to label your own government as evil ass munching terrorists who kick puppies. As long as you put that in writing and wear this pink shirt with a unicorn on it we will support you and officially approve. If you do not 100% agree to our terms stated above, we will not sign in favor and will recommend that you sit down for more talks and negotiations and other bullshit like that."

I feel you may be paraphrasing, sir

 

[Jaskalas]

Also, good to hear about this. Recognizing that there is a Palestine is the first step to a two state solution.

It's the first step to continue endless war.

The Palestinian land needs to be divided among neighboring Muslim countries. Egypt gets Gaza, Jordan the West Bank.

 

[NTMBK]

The Palestinian land needs to be divided among neighboring Muslim countries.

No, it really doesn't.

 

[Jaskalas]

No, it really doesn't.

Then they will continue to kill and be killed.

 

[NTMBK]

Then they will continue to kill and be killed.

Here's a radical idea:

 

[pauldun170]

I feel you may be paraphrasing, sir

Nope
That was a straight copy paste from the manual.

There has been a lot of hookers and booze in the offices since Hillary took charge. As a result, a lot of documentation has become "colorful".
She has that effect on people. Lots of call girls and vodka.

true story

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's the first step to continue endless war.

The Palestinian land needs to be divided among neighboring Muslim countries. Egypt gets Gaza, Jordan the West Bank.

Neither wants the mess.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Here's a radical idea:

Did not work before. What makes you think that it will now.

Jewish state is broken into three sections; any one can be cut off from the others very easily by a concerted effort.

As demonstrated before.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Here's a radical idea:

That will never ever happen.....ever!