"France is Not a Western Country Anymore"

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France is Not a Western Country Anymore
By Guy Milliere
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2003


French-bashing is everywhere in the American media. I am French, and I must say if Americans knew completely what's happening in France, the French-bashing would be far harsher.

Jacques Chirac has been a friend of Saddam Hussein for more than thirty years. He allowed the sale of nuclear facilities to Iraq that were destroyed just in time by Israël. He sold Iraq the planes that were been used to gas thousands of Kurds. And Saddam is not the only friend Chirac has. Chirac has never met a ruthless dictator he did not like. Worse, Chirac is unprincipled and greedy. It is common knowledge in France that he stole a lot of money when he was the mayor of Paris, and everyone knows that if he had not been re-elected in May 2002, he would be in jail now. To hear him speaking about morality or international law nauseates every decent Frenchman.

And Chirac is not the only politician of this stripe in France. These days, it is becoming hard to find a French politician ready to speak about human rights, freedom or democracy. All of them seem to have the same speechwriter or to belong to the same totalitarian political party; all of them are anti-American, anti-Israeli and "pacifists." They regard Western civilization as something filthy and abhorrent.

If you read the newspapers, it's the same. At times it seems the only difference between the Soviet Union twenty years ago and France today is that in Soviet Union you had only one Pravda, and in France you now have at least ten such propaganda outlets: Different titles, same content. Their party line is clear in reporting on the personalities found in the present Middle Eastern crisis. Saddam Hussein, the "President of Iraq"? Well, maybe he has been brutal, but you know, in "those" countries... George W. Bush? He?s a "moron" - a former alcoholic, who has become a crazy fanatic, in fact the most dangerous man on the face of earth. Ariel Sharon? A fascist who loves to kill Arabs. Arafat? A great freedom fighter. When an American general speaks, it is merely propaganda, but when Tariq Aziz pontificates, it is pure truth. Almost everyday you hear anti-Semitic remarks, to boot.

The anti-Semitism has created a threat to the physical safety for French Jews. Almost every week, some Jews get mugged, simply for being Jews. Almost nobody pays attention to it. When an anti-Semitic act is so disgusting it is impossible to hide it, journalists will speak of "confrontation between communities." When confronted with the reality that these "confrontations" are always Muslims attacking Jews, the editorial response: "Just because there has yet to be a single documented case of a Jew attacking a Muslim yet doesn't mean it will never happen. . . ."

And Jews are not the only victims of France's new identification with radical Islam. In many French cities with a growing radical Islamist population, no teenage girl can go out in the evening, at least not without a full burqa. If she does, it will mean that "she is for everybody": in short, a whore. In the same cities, every teenage girl - regardless of religion - has to wear the Muslim veil if she does not want to be harassed or killed. Almost every month, a young woman is mugged and raped in a suburb of a big city. Gang rape has become so frequent that a new word, used by the rapists themselves to define their hideous actions, is used by everybody: tournantes (revolving). To the rapists, the woman is nothing, a mere object to be thrown away after use. The people who speak about "revolving" seem to forget a human being is involved as the victim. Policemen do nothing. Every decent person knows the problem is Islam, but no one dares to say it. It could be dangerous. The streets are not safe.

One year ago, a French Muslim decided to create a new business: he was tired of seeing people drinking Coca-Cola - all this money going to Americans! He found a factory and started to produce Mecca Cola. On the label, he put a picture of the Al Aqsa mosque, with a large part of his profits would help to support the Palestinian cause. In some suburbs of Paris, Coca-Cola has disappeared; Mecca Cola has replaced it. A few days ago, another Muslim businessman announced he will start to sell Muslim-Up. It will have the taste of Sprite or Seven-Up, but it will be a Muslim drink - and naturally the profits will go to the Palestinian jihad, as well.

Three radio stations in France are Muslim radio stations, and if you listen to them, dedicated to broadcasting the voice of hate and racism all day long. One radio station belongs to a friend of the rightist Jean-Marie Le Pen, and curiously, if you listen to it, you will hear the same voice of hate and racism. Rightists and radical Muslims have discovered they have many things in common.

If you want to understand why all this is happening, you have to understand one thing: thirty years ago, French governments started to have a new foreign policy. They called this new policy, "Arabian Policy." France became closer to Arab countries - all of them disgusting dictatorships. France "benefited" by doing business easily in these countries. In exchange, France had to push Europe to unknot its ties with Israël and the United States. In exchange too, "professors" came from the Arabian dictatorships to teach the Arabic language to the young Arabs living in France. The only book they used to teach the Arabic language was THE book, Al Kuran.

Now comes the time to pay the check: six million Muslims live in France, at least ten per cent of them are radical Islamists poised on the edge of violence. And these radical Muslims have allies on both the extreme Left and the extreme Right. France is not a Western country anymore, it is now the leader of the Arab/Muslim world. Israel has to know France is its main enemy. The United States has to understand they have nothing to expect from today's France except nastiness, treason, and cheating.
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Hayabusa Rider

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Yep, and Bush is Hitler too.
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charrison

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Overhead in the office today,

"The next time there is a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France."
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Who sold chemical weapons for Iraq at the 80's???
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Care to name MORE than one country - and provide proof of your claims?



 

Martin

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Rightists and radical Muslims have discovered they have many things in common.

yeah...like rightists wanting to kick all the immigrants (read: muslims) out of france....they have a LOT in common....
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etech

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Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Who sold chemical weapons for Iraq at the 80's???
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The main supplier, Germany.

It was a nice try, but you really need to learn some facts of what happened back then. It may keep you from looking foolish.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Who sold chemical weapons for Iraq at the 80's???
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Whoa, when did the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq? They provided them with other weapons since they were fighting Iran, but they never sold them chemical weapons.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Who sold chemical weapons for Iraq at the 80's???
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The main supplier, Germany.

It was a nice try, but you really need to learn some facts of what happened back then. It may keep you from looking foolish.

Wrong - pipes, pumpes, and other cheimcal plant equipment does not constitute a chemical weapon. When accusing an entire country at least keep to the facts. And fact is, that german companies did not sell weapons - they could never do that, there a extremely strict laws (We didnt even agree to sell Leapard2 tanks to turkey because of the Kurds problem there, that was stupid btw the US gladly stepped in...) . They did sell alot of the equipment that Iraq later used to make chem. weapons.

btw what is this finger pointing at countries good for, the entire west created the Iraq problem - but its always nice to have a scapegoat for YOUR wanted war...
 

Kadarin

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Interesting propaganda piece; it would be nice to see if the points presented as facts here could be verified, and if they truly paint the picture as described.
 

Jimbo

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Originally posted by: B00ne
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Who sold chemical weapons for Iraq at the 80's???
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The main supplier, Germany.

It was a nice try, but you really need to learn some facts of what happened back then. It may keep you from looking foolish.

Wrong - pipes, pumpes, and other cheimcal plant equipment does not constitute a chemical weapon. When accusing an entire country at least keep to the facts. And fact is, that german companies did not sell weapons - they could never do that, there a extremely strict laws (We didnt even agree to sell Leapard2 tanks to turkey because of the Kurds problem there, that was stupid btw the US gladly stepped in...) . They did sell alot of the equipment that Iraq later used to make chem. weapons.

btw what is this finger pointing at countries good for, the entire west created the Iraq problem - but its always nice to have a scapegoat for YOUR wanted war...


The 12,000-page weapons declaration that Iraq delivered to the United Nations in December identifies 31 major foreign suppliers for its chemical weapons program, including 2 companies based in the United States that are now defunct, 14 from Germany, 3 each from the Netherlands and Switzerland and 2 each from France and Austria.

Maybe your "strict laws" are not enforced if the deal is profitable?

 

B00ne

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again, u didnt read - weapons is something different than equipment to build up a plant. By your definition every steel export to Iraq should be declared as weaponsdeal after all steel is used to make weapons....
 

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If you just look at cr*p all day, all you will see is cr*p everywhere. Does that mean that the world is nothing but cr*p?

BTW - I agree that Mr. Chirac is a criminal, but as for the "we live in an Arab state" - that's just an extremely negative and limited view of the situation IMHO. Obviously a journalist with some sort an agenda.

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AndrewR

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Originally posted by: MachFive
This article sounds more anti-Islam than anti-French.

No, he's a Frenchmen who is tired of crap from the Muslims in France. If you've ever lived there, you would understand why.
 

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Kinda does, I didnt know Chirac was that bad.

Reading that is identical to reading an article written by someone who is very anti-Bush in America.

The article would blame Bush for all of our economic troubles and talk about how his election started a landslide that ended in a recession, and how he keeps trying to make the rich richer, at the expense of the majority of Americans. It might then talk about he avoided going to war and now pushes for a war that others will fight. Talk about how his real reasons for war are revenge, empire building, and oil.

Then it might talk about how he bends to the special interest and talk about how oil companies that he and his vice-president were once connected to are prospering and how they benefit from his wars, his stance against the kyoto treaty, his desire to drill in what were once protected lands.

Then if the author might start talking about christian fundamentalists and link them to conservatives. He might talk about Trent Lott's statements as an example of how they are. He might talk about the tv and radio shows that spew hate of others unlike them. He might attempt to draw parallels between them and new laws that have been put into place restricting our freedom. Give a lot of hyperbole about how we're moving towards a police state.

The author has a lot of anger against Muslims and some against Chirac for what he sees as Chirac's support of them. This article is good for seeing another perspective of a Frenchman, but it is far from the authority to show an accurate portrayal of France. Just like in my example above, it has some facts that are intended to prove something that it doesn't actually prove. It attempts to link all the evil in France to one particular group, which is silly. It has doom and gloom scenarios about how one group is taking over and is causing the downfall of French society. Basically it's not in any way an objective article but more of a partisan propaganda piece.
 

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Originally posted by: B00ne
again, u didnt read - weapons is something different than equipment to build up a plant. By your definition every steel export to Iraq should be declared as weaponsdeal after all steel is used to make weapons....

It looks as if you are the one that did not read.

The 12,000-page weapons declaration that Iraq delivered to the United Nations in December identifies 31 major foreign suppliers for its chemical weapons program, including 2 companies based in the United States that are now defunct, 14 from Germany, 3 each from the Netherlands and Switzerland and 2 each from France and Austria.




 

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What a stupid post, and an even stupider article. What about Russia, Germany, China, and the countless other nations that oppose our war. What about Turkey, our main middle east ally, who turned down billions of dollars of US bribe money?
 

LH

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What about Turkey, our main middle east ally, who turned down billions of dollars of US bribe money?

They turned it down because they wanted to do a land grab and snatch up "Kurdistan" and the 600 oil wells along with it. Also where the hell do you think all those A10 Wart Hogs take off from? Thats right, Turkey, we have a base there that we are allowed to use even if they did deny us use of their land for a ground invasion.

Schroder(sp?) said yesterday that Saddam needed to be removed. So Germany isnt quite taking the same route as Russia and France. China isnt really vocal about anything.