France Bans Hijab/Veil In Football

[Incorruptible]

http://www.emirates247.com/sports/football/france-bans-hijab-on-football-pitch-2012-07-07-1.466182

France has banned the hijab and veil for players playing for France or organized games.

I think this is a good idea, it shouldn't be allowed to be worn in Football because it isn't part of the uniform and it is too much accommodation. There is also a higher risk for injury while wearing it. As well sometimes religion requires sacrifice and the girls have to decide whats more important playing soccer or religion

Do you agree its a good idea to ban the hijab/veil in Football?

 

[Orignal Earl]

http://www.emirates247.com/sports/football/france-bans-hijab-on-football-pitch-2012-07-07-1.466182

France has banned the hijab and veil for players playing for France or organized games.

I think this is a good idea, it shouldn't be allowed to be worn in Football because it isn't part of the uniform and it is too much accommodation. There is also a higher risk for injury while wearing it. As well sometimes religion requires sacrifice and the girls have to decide whats more important playing soccer or religion

Do you agree its a good idea to ban the hijab/veil in Football?

It seems once again, you got the story wrong.

 

[Infohawk]

Hijabs and veils are misogynistic. It's quite straightforward and an exception should not be made because some superstition is used to defend a practice. Unfortunately, this is what a lot of the left likes to do because they feel the enemy of their enemy is their friend. France is, rightly, a secular country and there is nothing wrong with them trying to stamp out these barbaric practices.

 

[Incorruptible]

It seems once again, you got the story wrong.

I read the article and safety concerns were listed in the article, I dont know how I am wrong

 

[Orignal Earl]

I read the article and safety concerns were listed in the article, I dont know how I am wrong

Maybe I'm wrong.
I had just read about the FIFA reversing their decision and allowing the Hijab saying that it is not a safety concern.
It does look like the FFF will not allow it for secular reasons.
Of course that is the opposite of what secular means.
Looking at several different stories about this , there seems to be some confusion about the difference between wearing a Veil and a Hijab.
A Veil is banned in France a Hijab is not.

 

[Infohawk]

It does look like the FFF will not allow it for secular reasons. Of course that is the opposite of what secular means.

Not really. That's is pretty much what secular is, epecially in France. Don't confuse it with multi-culturalism.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not really. That's is pretty much what secular is, epecially in France. Don't confuse it with multi-culturalism.

America is secular.
America does not stop people from following their religion.
France is saying if a girl wears a Hijab she cannot play soccer.
Do not confuse secular with everybody having to be the same.

 

[Incorruptible]

Maybe I'm wrong.
I had just read about the FIFA reversing their decision and allowing the Hijab saying that it is not a safety concern.
It does look like the FFF will not allow it for secular reasons.
Of course that is the opposite of what secular means.
Looking at several different stories about this , there seems to be some confusion about the difference between wearing a Veil and a Hijab.
A Veil is banned in France a Hijab is not.

The hijab shouldn't be allowed in FIFA, but I believe FIFA has allowed it while the FFF has taken a stand for freedom and said no using common sense.

Veil and hijab are the same especially considering how they are used to oppress women, why is it only women must cover up so men dont get too excited, if BOTH MEN AND WOMEN had to cover up it would be much less of a problem

 

[Charles Kozierok]

How is a hijab misogynistic? Does this adjective also apply to the formal wear worn by women of other religions, including observant Jews, the Amish and so forth?

Is a turban or a skullap "misandristic"?

IMO this is pretty much a cut-and-dried case of religious discrimination.

I am fine with restrictions based on rational objections, such as rules prohibiting outfits that obscure the face, or preventing anyone from special treatment for things such as passport photos.

But the headwear shown in the photos doesn't cause any harm to anyone else, and I see no valid reason for it to be prohibited.

The hijab shouldn't be allowed in FIFA, but I believe FIFA has allowed it while the FFF has taken a stand for freedom and said no using common sense.

"Stand for freedom"? Do you even know what the word "freedom" means?

Free hint: freedom doesn't involve the government telling you what to wear.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The hijab shouldn't be allowed in FIFA, but I believe FIFA has allowed it while the FFF has taken a stand for freedom and said no using common sense.

Veil and hijab are the same especially considering how they are used to oppress women, why is it only women must cover up so men dont get too excited, if BOTH MEN AND WOMEN had to cover up it would be much less of a problem

No.
Men must dress modestly too
And lol @ freedom
They are taking away freedom

 

[Incorruptible]

No.
Men must dress modestly too
And lol @ freedom
They are taking away freedom

Men force the women to dress this way yet nothing happens to men

 

[Orignal Earl]

Men force the women to dress this way yet nothing happens to men

You look at me and call me oppressed,
Simply because of the way I'm dressed,
You know me not for what's inside,
You judge the clothing I wear with pride,
My body's not for your eyes to hold,
You must speak to my mind, not my feminine mold,
I'm an individual, I'm no mans slave,
It's Allahs pleasure that I only crave,
I have a voice so I will be heard,
For in my heart I carry His word,
" O ye women, wrap close your cloak, So you won't be bothered by
ignorant folk",
Man doesn't tell me to dress this way,
It's a Law from God that I obey,
Oppressed is something I'm truly NOT,
For liberation is what I've got,
It was given to me many years ago,
With the right to prosper, the right to grow,
I can climb mountains or cross the seas,
Expand my mind in all degrees,
For God Himself gave us LIB-ER-TY,
When He sent Islam,
To You and Me!

 

[Infohawk]

America is secular.
America does not stop people from following their religion.
France is saying if a girl wears a Hijab she cannot play soccer.
Do not confuse secular with everybody having to be the same.

France is more secular than the US. Secular means not religious. Hijabs are religious. So no, it's not the opposite of that at all. You might say it's not inconsistent (which is still not true) but you didn't say that you said it was the opposite which is clearly wrong.

How is a hijab misogynistic? Does this adjective also apply to the formal wear worn by women of other religions, including observant Jews, the Amish and so forth?

Is a turban or a skullap "misandristic"?

IMO this is pretty much a cut-and-dried case of religious discrimination.

There are lot of elements of various religions that subjugate women. Here we are talking about Islam. Look around the world. Free women rarely choose to cover themselves to the extent Muslim women are forced to in hot weather or when playing sports. If you are honest you would recognize they do it because their culture forces to them, frequently under threat of physical violence.

One of the worst things about American-style multiculturalism is that its selectively applied. If the men in Islamic cultures effectively force women to wear this crap and to not tolerate non-Islamic religions, they turn a blind eye. If the democratic majority of French people decide they want to support their own cultural values, it's awful discrimination. If one is truly a proponent of multiculturalism, isn't it fair to allow French people to promote their own culture in their own country?

 

[umbrella39]

Stop posting stupid ops...

 

[Incorruptible]

France is more secular than the US. Secular means not religious. Hijabs are religious. So no, it's not the opposite of that at all. You might say it's not inconsistent (which is still not true) but you didn't say that you said it was the opposite which is clearly wrong.



There are lot of elements of various religions that subjugate women. Here we are talking about Islam. Look around the world. Free women rarely choose to cover themselves to the extent Muslim women are forced to in hot weather or when playing sports. If you are honest you would recognize they do it because their culture forces to them, frequently under threat of physical violence.

This is the truth right here, these women are forced and brainwashed to dress like this and face violence, no intelligent women would dress in all black covered up in a heatwave

 

[Charles Kozierok]

One of the worst things about American-style multiculturalism is that its selectively applied.

You're singling out a single religion's dress code, claiming it should have rules passed against it, and then arguing against "selective application"?

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm not arguing in favor of anyone being forced to wear something on the threat of violence. But this isn't Saudi Arabia, we are talking about -- it's an allegedly free country.

Again -- what about other religions?

This is the truth right here, these women are forced and brainwashed to dress like this and face violence, no intelligent women would dress in all black covered up in a heatwave

Orthodox Jewish men and women dress in long clothes even in heatwaves. A hundred years ago, it was considered required by society for pretty much everyone.

Do you ever even TRY to think about an issue, as opposed to just spewing your Islamophobic right-wing talking points?

 

[Orignal Earl]

France is more secular than the US. Secular means not religious. Hijabs are religious. So no, it's not the opposite of that at all. You might say it's not inconsistent (which is still not true) but you didn't say that you said it was the opposite which is clearly wrong.

Secular means separate from religion. As in the government is secular, but there is religious freedom in the country
It does not mean not religious.

Secularity (adjective form secular[1], meaning: "worldly" or "temporal") is the state of being separate from religion, or not being exclusively allied to any particular religion.
For instance, eating and bathing may be regarded as examples of secular activities, because there may not be anything inherently religious about them. Nevertheless, both eating and bathing are regarded as sacraments in some religious traditions, and therefore would be religious activities in those world views. Saying a prayer derived from religious text or doctrine, worshipping through the context of a religion, and attending a religious school are examples of religious (non-secular) activities. Prayer and meditation are not necessarily non-secular, since the concept of spirituality and higher consciousness are not married solely to any religion but are practiced and arose independently across a continuum of cultures.
Most businesses and corporations, and some governments, are secular organizations. All of the state universities in the United States are secular organizations (especially because of the combined effect of the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution) while some private universities are connected with the Christian or Jewish religions. Among many of these, some prominent examples are Baylor University, Brigham Young University, Boston College, Emory University, the University of Notre Dame, Duquesne University, Texas Christian University, Southern Methodist University, and Yeshiva College.
The public university systems of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Japan are also secular, although some government-funded primary and secondary schools may be religiously aligned in some countries.

 

[Infohawk]

Secular means separate from religion. As in the government is secular, but there is religious freedom in the country
It does not mean not religious.

not overtly or specifically religious <secular music>

Guess what hijabs are? Religious.

Your statement that what France is the opposite of secular is absurd.

 

[Incorruptible]

Guess what hijabs are? Religious.

Your statement that what France is the opposite of secular is absurd.

The quran doesn't even require women to wear hijab/veil but its done by men to oppress women and from the culture

 

[Orignal Earl]

If one is truly a proponent of multiculturalism, isn't it fair to allow French people to promote their own culture in their own country?

Those Muslims are just as French as you are American.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The quran doesn't even require women to wear hijab/veil but its done by men to oppress women and from the culture

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei....r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1402&bih=942

There are a lot of women who want to wear the hijab and don't want you telling them what they want.

 

[Incorruptible]

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei....r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1402&bih=942

There are a lot of women who want to wear the hijab and don't want you telling them what they want.

Your right but you forget that many are brainwashed and face violence or acid thrown into the face

Another thing is that if women want to wear a ski mask out in public and cover there face they would face problems

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Your right but you forget that many are brainwashed and face violence or acid thrown into the face

Another thing is that if women want to wear a ski mask out in public and cover there face they would face problems

You know, I generally avoid personal comments on this board, but you have to be THE stupidest person I've encountered online in years.

You are utterly incapable of engaging in even a simple rational discussion. All you do is repeat the same bigoted claims over and over again.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Your right but you forget that many are brainwashed and face violence or acid thrown into the face

Funny how these convos always end up pointing back towards places where America is waging war.
Talk about brainwashing

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Your right but you forget that many are brainwashed and face violence or acid thrown into the face

Yep, those damned stupid women need us strong men to protect them from Islam.