Fracking causes earthquakes? (Formerly, anyone felt that earthquake?)

[dr150]

Just felt a earthquake a few mins ago, lasted about 10 seconds or so.
No damage that I could tell, but the house was definitely swaying.

*edit:
Looks like it was a 4.2 magnitude earthquake
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

Brought to you by Mister Frack.

Read the warning signs before pursuing.

 

[CZroe]

this one, no idea.

But it is 100% Fact that the fracking process has caused a shit-ton of earthquakes in the last decade.

You might as well deny gravity with the amount of cognitive dissonance required to ignore the substantial amount of evidence that is widely available.

Perhaps because the fracking itself is registering as earthquakes?

 

[MongGrel]

Perhaps because the fracking itself is registering as earthquakes?

Please do not be that dense.

 

[Elixer]

this one, no idea.

But it is 100% Fact that the fracking process has caused a shit-ton of earthquakes in the last decade.

You might as well deny gravity with the amount of cognitive dissonance required to ignore the substantial amount of evidence that is widely available.

There is no evidence at all that the fracking process itself causes earthquakes.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/

Hydraulic fracturing, commonly known as “fracking,” does not appear to be linked to the increased rate of magnitude 3 and larger earthquakes.

There is not enough info yet for the wastewater injection side of this, but that isn't fracking.

For this earthquake, the cause was tectonic shifting, not fracking, not wastewater injection (since there are 0 wells in the area), not death rays from space, and not because the UP citizens didn't eat enough to match the weight of the lower peninsula, causing a substantial buckling of the fault line.
No junk science here, move along.

 

[96Firebird]

...and not because the UP citizens didn't eat enough to match the weight of the lower peninsula, causing a substantial buckling of the fault line.

Yeah but are we totally sure on this one... :hmm:

 

[MongGrel]

There is no evidence at all that the fracking process itself causes earthquakes.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/

There is not enough info yet for the wastewater injection side of this, but that isn't fracking.

For this earthquake, the cause was tectonic shifting, not fracking, not wastewater injection (since there are 0 wells in the area), not death rays from space, and not because the UP citizens didn't eat enough to match the weight of the lower peninsula, causing a substantial buckling of the fault line.
No junk science here, move along.

 

[NoTine42]

It was the Oklahoma Geological Survey, where the vast majority of earthquakes caused due to fracking have occurred over the last 5+ years. Maybe 10 years? (compared to all of the other instances in other states) Don't recall.

Pretty big deal, because despite the OGS knowing that this is most certainly the cause of the ~300%+ frequency increase in earthquakes, it has never been their "official" position. Oil is all the money there, and it's a big no-no to accept irrefutable facts when oil is involved.

Though, it's not the extraction process, but the wastewater injection back into the subsurface that is causing the earthquakes. Still part of the fracking process, but I guess there is some confusion as to what is going on.

Great article:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/13/weather-underground

The follow-up, that you mentioned:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/u...-gas-wells-as-major-cause-of-quakes.html?_r=0

I do think, if the "anti-fracking" people wanted to "win" more, they should only talk about fracking wastewater. Never say fracking by itself, only talk "fracking wastewater" (because there is enough studies and regulation supporting the initial fracking process.

I have the impression that fracking is slowing down due to low OPEC oil prices. Of course they will finish any started wells, but there is less incentive to start more.

 

[rudeguy]

this one, no idea.

But it is 100% Fact that the fracking process has caused a shit-ton of earthquakes in the last decade.

You might as well deny gravity with the amount of cognitive dissonance required to ignore the substantial amount of evidence that is widely available.

and its 100% fact that fracking in no way shape or form caused this earthquake.

http://woodtv.com/2015/05/04/experts-dont-expect-major-earthquake-in-mi/

Some 24 Hour News 8 viewers questioned whether the controversial oil and gas extraction process known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, could have anything to do with the quake.

The experts say no. Yellich said there’s no fracking underway in the area of the earthquake, and there’s only a few standard oil wells in the vicinity.

“There’s no connection to this,” Yellich said. “There is some oil activity in the area, but it’s much shallower. It’s about 4,000 feet. This fault occurred at 15, 16, 20,000 feet. There’s no association whatsoever.”

If you would like to provide proof that fracking has caused an earthquake, please post it. But please don't insult others because they want hard evidence before believing you.

 

[zinfamous]

and its 100% fact that fracking in no way shape or form caused this earthquake.

http://woodtv.com/2015/05/04/experts-dont-expect-major-earthquake-in-mi/



If you would like to provide proof that fracking has caused an earthquake, please post it. But please don't insult others because they want hard evidence before believing you.

It's freely available to the literate public. I also see some cognitive retardation here. Is it 100% accurate that a specific part of the fracking process causes earthquakes? 100%, undeniably, yes. Does the hydraulic fracturing part of the process do this? no.

Does wastewater injection do this? Absolutely. It takes the type of moron that believes the earth is 6k years old, evolution is not a fact of nature, and the sun revolves around the earth to look at the data and proclaim otherwise.

What the hell are you going to do with all of the wastewater after you've extracted the sludge? It is part of the process, so you can't really separate the two. Stop trying to assume that those of us who are literate are imbeciles by associating half of a job with the entire job, when it is plainly obvious that this is all a single process.

Besides, you and others have a long history of ignoring hard evidence anyway. No amount of pounding it into your face will convince you otherwise. Fact of the matter is that fracking--the entire process of extracting fossil fuels from shale and deep earth--has directly caused an astronomical rise in earthquakes, and in parts of the world where they were so uncommon as to have not existed prior to the appearance of oil companies.

When you pay a contractor to do a job, say an addition to your house, do you expect them to clean up the industrial waste, repair your lawn from the damage left by their trucks; or is it cool for them to just leave all that shit and disappear?

 

[zinfamous]

I do think, if the "anti-fracking" people wanted to "win" more, they should only talk about fracking wastewater. Never say fracking by itself, only talk "fracking wastewater" (because there is enough studies and regulation supporting the initial fracking process.

I have the impression that fracking is slowing down due to low OPEC oil prices. Of course they will finish any started wells, but there is less incentive to start more.

Such a distinction is fundamentally irrelevant without an available alternative method to wastewater disposal.

There simply is no hydraulic fracturing without direct injection of wastewater at this point.

I agree that it is useful to understand this distinction, but the goals of those who currently deny that this is fracking, are simply to fudge these details, as they simply don't want to spend a pretty penny fixing their mess. Get the oil out, leave a wasteland at the center of the US, and get the fuck out. "I got mine, screw you assholes." par for the course.

 

[SlickSnake]

There was never a recorded quake in Reno or Azle until fracking started. But there was a recorded quake in the Fort Worth basin about 50 miles away in 1950.

http://www.smu.edu/News/2015/earthquakes-azle-report-21april2015

You're welcome.

 

[rudeguy]

It's freely available to the literate public. I also see some cognitive retardation here. Is it 100% accurate that a specific part of the fracking process causes earthquakes? 100%, undeniably, yes. Does the hydraulic fracturing part of the process do this? no.

Does wastewater injection do this? Absolutely. It takes the type of moron that believes the earth is 6k years old, evolution is not a fact of nature, and the sun revolves around the earth to look at the data and proclaim otherwise.

What the hell are you going to do with all of the wastewater after you've extracted the sludge? It is part of the process, so you can't really separate the two. Stop trying to assume that those of us who are literate are imbeciles by associating half of a job with the entire job, when it is plainly obvious that this is all a single process.

Besides, you and others have a long history of ignoring hard evidence anyway. No amount of pounding it into your face will convince you otherwise. Fact of the matter is that fracking--the entire process of extracting fossil fuels from shale and deep earth--has directly caused an astronomical rise in earthquakes, and in parts of the world where they were so uncommon as to have not existed prior to the appearance of oil companies.

When you pay a contractor to do a job, say an addition to your house, do you expect them to clean up the industrial waste, repair your lawn from the damage left by their trucks; or is it cool for them to just leave all that shit and disappear?

So it's freely available but you can't find it to post it?

Keep getting upset at people who want hard evidence rather than conjecture and fear mongering. In the meantime I will listen to the expert who says there was no connection. I trust him just a tad bit more than your angry rambling.

 

[zinfamous]

So it's freely available but you can't find it to post it?

Keep getting upset at people who want hard evidence rather than conjecture and fear mongering. In the meantime I will listen to the expert who says there was no connection. I trust him just a tad bit more than your angry rambling.

I already said that I had no idea about that specific earthquake. I was responding to the plebians that refuse to accept the peer-reviewed data about all other fracking-induced earthquakes, specifically in Oklahoma. You asked "show me hard data on a fracking-induced earthquake." This, after your second statement regarding this specific earthquake.

Perhaps that was a typo on your part?

 

[rudeguy]

I asked and all you have done is posted arrogant ramblings instead of showing me proof of an earthquake that fracking has caused.

You and jamesv keep saying this study says fracking caused earthquakes. The study does not say that. Nowhere in the OGS does it list an earthquake caused by fracking or does it say that fracking is the cause of any earthquake.

Now post some more angry ramblings.

 

[zinfamous]

I asked and all you have done is posted arrogant ramblings instead of showing me proof of an earthquake that fracking has caused.

You and jamesv keep saying this study says fracking caused earthquakes. The study does not say that. Nowhere in the OGS does it list an earthquake caused by fracking or does it say that fracking is the cause of any earthquake.

Now post some more angry ramblings.

/posts articles that detail how and why earthquakes are linked to natural gas harvesting
/claims that is not what article says.

I really don't know what to tell you, other than to keep requesting that you actually read, rather than just blow it off with a "nuh-uh!"

Hell, I've even got the spokesman for the OGS up there who, despite being forced to publicly deny such causes, can't help but admit to them while off the podium and use every verbal gymnastic technique to agree with the data that he is required to deny.

I do trust science. You trust injected talking points from your handlers. It is a case where you wouldn't even begin to know what "hard data" means.

 

[zinfamous]

Nowhere in the OGS does it list an earthquake caused by fracking or does it say that fracking is the cause of any earthquake.

So who do you trust when making such dumbshit statements? What the OGS actually says, or what you pray to your lizard god that they actually say?

http://earthquakes.ok.gov/what-we-know/

Because we all know that you have never tried to verify any of this shit for yourself.

 

[Elixer]

This is NOT a thread about fracking, SINCE THERE IS NO FRACKING IN THE AREA.
I don't know why people are trying to make this earthquake into something it is not.

If you want to talk about fracking, do it in another thread, and stop derailing this one.

Mods should lock this thread, it is getting way OT and nothing more needs to be said.

 

[zinfamous]

Maybe you need old man text, RG, I'll help/. This, from the OGS link I put up there. (maybe your mouse and or limbs are broken, and you haven't been able to click on links all this time?). Anyway, here you go!

EARTHQUAKES IN OKLAHOMA
What We Know

We know that Oklahoma experienced 109 magnitude 3+ earthquakes in 2013 and five times that amount in 2014. The pace of earthquake activity has accelerated this year. The current average rate of earthquakes is approximately 600 times historical averages.

While we understand that Oklahoma has historically experienced some level of seismicity, we know that the recent rise in earthquakes cannot be entirely attributed to natural causes. Seismologists have documented the relationship between wastewater disposal and triggered seismic activity. The Oklahoma Geological Survey has determined that the majority of recent earthquakes in central and north-central Oklahoma are very likely triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells.

Oklahoma’s response to the recent rise in earthquakes is constantly evolving based on the growing body of knowledge dedicated to exploring the issue. The resources on this page inform our understanding of Oklahoma’s earthquakes and provide the foundation for our regulatory response.

 

[zinfamous]

This is NOT a thread about fracking, SINCE THERE IS NO FRACKING IN THE AREA.
I don't know why people are trying to make this earthquake into something it is not.

If you want to talk about fracking, do it in another thread, and stop derailing this one.

Mods should lock this thread, it is getting way OT and nothing more needs to be said.

Science disagrees with me! Shut it down!



Just kidding, you make a good point regarding this thread, but still, it's funny to see the same "not enough evidence that wastewater injection causes earthquakes" line continually dumped out.

I wonder who is paying you to keep thinking this way?

 

[rudeguy]

very likely is not the same thing as "fracking causes earthquakes".

If your argument was that it was possible, that would be different. But again, the OGS did not list an earthquake caused by fracking or that fracking has caused an earthquake.

Keep throwing the insults out. I'm sure that will change the fact that there is no survey that says fracking causes earthquakes.

 

[zinfamous]

very likely is not the same thing as "fracking causes earthquakes".

If your argument was that it was possible, that would be different. But again, the OGS did not list an earthquake caused by fracking or that fracking has caused an earthquake.

Keep throwing the insults out. I'm sure that will change the fact that there is no survey that says fracking causes earthquakes.

simply wow. This level of cognitive dissonance is a true sight to behold.

"The Blue sky is not Blue."

Gravity is "very likely" the force that keeps us on this planet. You realize that, right?

 

[rudeguy]

So were you going to post proof that fracking has caused an earthquake? Because you insulted a whole bunch of people then said you had said proof.

 

[zinfamous]

So were you going to post proof that fracking has caused an earthquake? Because you insulted a whole bunch of people then said you had said proof.

No amount of your continuing to ignore the links to the academic research, right on the page that I linked to, and claiming that I haven't done so, is going to make you appear any less stupid to anyone reading your responses.

You clearly have a standard of "proof" that is not known to science, or human discourse. Though I am well aware that such exists on a sliding scale for you.

 

[SparkyJJO]

"Very likely" does not mean "definitely." There is still at least some measure of uncertainty, so to say "undeniable proof" isn't totally correct.

Many years ago, it was even "hard fact" the earth was flat, remember?

Just remember science isn't "it is this, we're done" it is always delving deeper and deeper. At this point it is too early to say "fracking causes earthquakes" with certainty. Is it possible? Yeah, maybe it is, so we need to be careful and look into it more.

Now back to the topic of the thread since, well, fracking had absolutely nothing to do with this earthquake for reasons already stated.

 

[cubby1223]

I felt a midwest earthquake which epicentered about 10 miles from me a month ago

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...e-in-the-hills-earthquake-20150325-story.html