FPV’s Murdered-Out Falcon GT Concept with Supercharged Boss 5.0 V8 Debuts in Melbourn

[senseamp]

The RWD 4 door Dodge Charger handily beat that number, and it was a pile of junk in 2010... :biggrin:

By handily you mean 75K vs 68K? Yes, that definitely justifies Ford investing hundreds of millions bringing a new platform to the US.
Falcon doesn't have the white trash demographic appeal of the Charger. Pontiac G8 would be closest comparison, and that was a flop.

 

[halik]

Lincoln needs a RWD car, this would be a good 1st step.

Actually bringing that over and turning lincoln into a lux-performance marque would be an interesting idea. Cartainly better than the current "let's make meh beige cars and charge absurd amounts of money for them" strategy.

 

[IcePickFreak]

By handily you mean 75K vs 68K? Yes, that definitely justifies Ford investing hundreds of millions bringing a new platform to the US.
Falcon doesn't have the white trash demographic appeal of the Charger. Pontiac G8 would be closest comparison, and that was a flop.

Umm, Taurus was the 'new' platform. They already make these, albeit with a different engine(s) and front fascia (and RHD of course.)

 

[Fayd]

By handily you mean 75K vs 68K? Yes, that definitely justifies Ford investing hundreds of millions bringing a new platform to the US.
Falcon doesn't have the white trash demographic appeal of the Charger. Pontiac G8 would be closest comparison, and that was a flop.

pontiac in general was a flop. they burned their entire stock of good will by putting out shit cars for 20+ years.

they deserved to fold.

 

[LTC8K6]

By handily you mean 75K vs 68K? Yes, that definitely justifies Ford investing hundreds of millions bringing a new platform to the US.
Falcon doesn't have the white trash demographic appeal of the Charger. Pontiac G8 would be closest comparison, and that was a flop.

That's 10%.

Imagine if the Charger had been a better car...

The CTS managed to sell 45K...and it's looks are controversial.

Nobody knew what a G8 was, whereas people recognized "Charger".

Heck, people in the US would probably still recognize "Ford Falcon".

 

[senseamp]

Umm, Taurus was the 'new' platform. They already make these, albeit with a different engine(s) and front fascia (and RHD of course.)

Taurus was on D3 platform shared with Volvo and now Ford SUVs (D4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D3_platform
Maybe Ford will make an RWD Sedan based on next gen Mustang platform, but federalizing an Australian platform for the US market doesn't make sense for a car that would be a very niche product ($30K+ mainstream brand sedan)

 

[Howard]

STi's and Evo are bought by Boy Racer wannabe's. They hear it's awd and has a turbo from the factory and they think it's so "tight". They somehow think it's going to be on par with the rally versions of the car.

They're decently fast and can be made very fast. Would you prefer that "boy racers" buy Civics Si or Scions tC (apologies for grammatical liberties)?

 

[Knavish]

No offense, but I think "murdered-out" is the stupidest phrase in the world when one is really just talking about a black car with black wheels. Sounds like something Jessey James came up with between throwing tantrums on his Monster Garage show.

(Seriously, no offense to the O.P. ... this phrase just bothers me.)

 

[LTC8K6]

If that RWD Falcon badged as a Taurus, couldn't outsell the FWD Taurus, then I weep for my country.

You could have entry level models with 240 horse EB 4's, intermediate models with the 3.7L V6, and balls out models with the 5.0 V8 or the EB 3.5L V6. You could still have tricked out SHO models as well.

At any rate, I think Ford is going the other way, and making the Falcon the same as our FWD Taurus.

 

[exar333]

STi's and Evo are bought by Boy Racer wannabe's. They hear it's awd and has a turbo from the factory and they think it's so "tight". They somehow think it's going to be on par with the rally versions of the car.

Or they buy them because they are great cars that handle well, do well in all seasons, and are pretty easily moddable? Not everyone needs or wants 400+hp and the Evo and STi are a blast to drive IMHO.

Sorry, but that's just an ignorant comment.

 

[AMCRambler]

Four door mustang. Sexy.

Probably got a solid rear axle though...hehehehe

 

[exar333]

Four door mustang. Sexy.

Probably got a solid rear axle though...hehehehe

Couldn't resist that could you!!??

Here we go...

 

[LTC8K6]

Four door mustang. Sexy.

Probably got a solid rear axle though...hehehehe

Control blade IRS...

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.fpv.com.au/media/81115/fpv%202010 web brochure nov-10.pdf

I refuse to believe these wouldn't have sold well here...

 

[Fayd]

Taurus was on D3 platform shared with Volvo and now Ford SUVs (D4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D3_platform
Maybe Ford will make an RWD Sedan based on next gen Mustang platform, but federalizing an Australian platform for the US market doesn't make sense for a car that would be a very niche product ($30K+ mainstream brand sedan)

how is that a niche product?

it replaces the crown vic in their lineup, provides some direct competition to the chrysler 300C, as well as any other company that makes performance RWD sedans.

 

[Fayd]

http://www.fpv.com.au/media/81115/fpv 2010 web brochure nov-10.pdf

I refuse to believe these wouldn't have sold well here...

well, i could do without the ridiculous looking wing and trim. the body doesn't look great either.

however the overall package is solid.

 

[senseamp]

how is that a niche product?

it replaces the crown vic in their lineup, provides some direct competition to the chrysler 300C, as well as any other company that makes performance RWD sedans.

It would be the Ford G8. Why would they be stupid enough to follow in the footsteps of a failed Pontiac product? Even Chevrolet refused to take the G8 from Pontiac. In case you haven't noticed, it's not the 60s. Performance RWD sedans are a niche product, especially from non-luxury brands. The middle class is getting squeezed by high gas prices. They want efficient cars. The crowd that has money to burn is not going to buy a Ford, they'll get a BMW.

 

[Arkaign]

It would be the Ford G8. Why would they be stupid enough to follow in the footsteps of a failed Pontiac product? Even Chevrolet refused to take the G8 from Pontiac. In case you haven't noticed, it's not the 60s. Performance RWD sedans are a niche product, especially from non-luxury brands. The middle class is getting squeezed by high gas prices. They want efficient cars. The crowd that has money to burn is not going to buy a Ford, they'll get a BMW.

This explains why nobody buys any Cadillac CTS cars at all?

There are TONS of inefficient vehicles out there that sell great, SUVs, turbo FWD cars (most of which get fairly poor fuel economy), trucks, etc. Most people don't need SUVs or Trucks, but they like buying them, and the ~20mpg or so is acceptable to those people.

G8 is a poor comparison in a lot of ways, mainly due to being released right before the largest economic disaster of the past half-century, and being tied to a brand that was already teetering on the plank. Chevy didn't need the G8 because they were in the midst of trying to fix a lineup with a lot of weak spots, and the CTS fills the RWD Sedan category fairly well.

And you still ignore the Charger, which gets great sales from LE and government agencies, and sells fairly well off the floor as well, despite not being particularly well reviewed or efficient. Ford also has excess capacity to give at the Mustang plant. They could sell regular V6 and V8 variants as Fords, and sell some hopped up / luxo variants to fight the CTS and 3/5 series in the Lincoln stable. It would be a brilliant move.

 

[LTC8K6]

well, i could do without the ridiculous looking wing and trim. the body doesn't look great either.

however the overall package is solid.

Those are just the FPV versions, there are the regular models as well.

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Blob...here=1248887121181&blobcol=urlblob&blobkey=id

 

[Arkaign]

Those are just the FPV versions, there are the regular models as well.

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Blob...here=1248887121181&blobcol=urlblob&blobkey=id

Yep, just like not all Chargers are SRT8s and not all CTS are CTS-V. The crazy versions are the halo variants and much more rare.

I also am of the opinion that for the true 'hoon' cars like these in the Aussie market, the Aussies seem to like a bit more aggressive look, and are probably a fair amount more likely to take these things to a track than US customers are.

 

[Throckmorton]

Taurus was on D3 platform shared with Volvo and now Ford SUVs (D4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D3_platform
Maybe Ford will make an RWD Sedan based on next gen Mustang platform, but federalizing an Australian platform for the US market doesn't make sense for a car that would be a very niche product ($30K+ mainstream brand sedan)

The next Mustang is going to be the same platform as the Falcon. If Ford sells a RWD 4 door here, it WILL be a Falcon

 

[senseamp]

This explains why nobody buys any Cadillac CTS cars at all?

There are TONS of inefficient vehicles out there that sell great, SUVs, turbo FWD cars (most of which get fairly poor fuel economy), trucks, etc. Most people don't need SUVs or Trucks, but they like buying them, and the ~20mpg or so is acceptable to those people.

G8 is a poor comparison in a lot of ways, mainly due to being released right before the largest economic disaster of the past half-century, and being tied to a brand that was already teetering on the plank. Chevy didn't need the G8 because they were in the midst of trying to fix a lineup with a lot of weak spots, and the CTS fills the RWD Sedan category fairly well.

And you still ignore the Charger, which gets great sales from LE and government agencies, and sells fairly well off the floor as well, despite not being particularly well reviewed or efficient. Ford also has excess capacity to give at the Mustang plant. They could sell regular V6 and V8 variants as Fords, and sell some hopped up / luxo variants to fight the CTS and 3/5 series in the Lincoln stable. It would be a brilliant move.

Cadillac CTS is a luxury car. It is in same segment as BMW, targeting people who have enough money not to worry about gas prices. If that's your counterexample, you made my point. Lincoln doesn't need RWD. Audi has proven you don't need RWD to compete in the luxury segment.

 

[senseamp]

The next Mustang is going to be the same platform as the Falcon. If Ford sells a RWD 4 door here, it WILL be a Falcon

It makes sense to merge Mustang and Falcon platforms in the future, to amortize costs. It does not make sense to bring the current Falcon platform to the US and have two RWD platforms.

 

[Arkaign]

Cadillac CTS is a luxury car. It is in same segment as BMW, targeting people who have enough money not to worry about gas prices. If that's your counterexample, you made my point. Lincoln doesn't need RWD. Audi has proven you don't need RWD to compete in the luxury segment.

*WHOOOOOOOSH*

I guess Dodge doesn't sell 70k-90k Chargers annually? And they get such GREAT fuel economy

 

[ViviTheMage]

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