FPS difference on LCD with 12ms vs 8ms

[nealh]

how would I figure this out

thanks

 

[ssvegeta1010]

There is no difference in FPS on different LCDs. The difference is in ghosting, or whether you notice remnants of the previous image on the LCD after it changed to the next image.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

16ms is generally a borderline mark, often acceptable for most if not plenty fast. 12ms obviously should be even better, giving you even more cushion. I'd say only the pickiest users might still have something against 12ms. 8ms should be plenty fast for just about everyone. Either one should be fine for games. Depending upon other features, the 12ms panel might have advantages (such as superior contrast and viewing angles) an 8ms might not.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

There's a formula, but it's all theoretical. I don't remember what it is though.

 

[nealh]

Thanks guys..I figured FPS analogy would be best comparison to get a sense of the ghosting issue..I have noticed on my faster videocard(BFG6800 OC vs 9700pro) my 19in LCD (which is very nice for everyday tasks) with 25ms gives alot of ghosting now

I was considering
Princeton VL1918
http://www.princetongraphics.com/product_vl1918.htm

19" TFT Active Matrix LCD
250cd/m2
600:1 High Contrast Ratio**
Dual Input
(1x Digital DVI, 1x Analog RGB)
12ms Response Time**
SXGA 1280 x 1024 Maximum Resolution
VESA® Wall/Arm Mount Ready
Built-in Stereo Speakers
Plug & Play Ready
Full 1-Year Limited Warranty

Samsung 930B
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc...uct_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=BI19BSSB
Features

700:1 contrast ratio
300 cd/m² brightness
1280 x 1024 resolution
160/160 degree viewing angle
delivers a maximum of 16.2 million colors
Windows Plug and Play DDC 2B compatible
three-year parts and labor warranty

 

[xtknight]

Take the reciprocal and multiply by 1000.

(1/12)*1000=83.33 FPS
(1/8)*1000=125 FPS

But those mean nothing. The ratings given by manufacturers are often "best case scenario"/marketing tactics. And 12ms and 8ms is no different. Best case scenario, you may get blur-free 83 FPS (in case of 12ms) and 125 (in case of 8ms). But don't count on it.

 

[Bona Fide]

12ms is more than enough for almost all games. Anything below is for the extremely sharp-eyed.

 

[VIAN]

You can't go buy specifications manufacturers dump at you. It's all BS. Each manufacturer tests their products differently to get an advantage over one another. The only way is to go and check one out for yourself at a store. Go and check out the samsungs.

It is ok though to compare specifications within the same company. Like you have a 25ms screen from BOBtheBuilder company. You can compare that to their 12ms screens because they would test it the same way.

The best LCDs can isplay 66fps without ghosting.

BTW, of those two I'd get the Samsung. It has good viewing angles, which is probably the thing you should be looking at the most. Bad viewing angles suck. 160 is good. Although that can also vary between manufacturer, it is much less variation. Plus speakers on LCDs suck ass. No point in getting them.

 

[dnuggett]

VIAN:

The best LCDs can only display 33fps without ghosting.

Not that I don't believe you, but can you link this to any verifiable source?

 

[BillyBobJoel71]

lower response time ususally equals lower color quality and 16.2 million colors.

 

[V00D00]

The refresh rate is going to determine the fps either way. The response time has nothing to do with how it actually puts the picture on the screen.

 

[VIAN]

Not that I don't believe you, but can you link this to any verifiable source?

I misread the information. The fastest LCDs are capable of at least 66fps.

Seen at Tom's hardware:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050720/lcd_review-16.html

Look at the bottom of the page at the blue latency.

 

[BFG10K]

The response time has nothing to do with how it actually puts the picture on the screen.

On the contrary; the response time is just another way of measuring refresh rate. A 16 ms LCD for example will never be able to display more than ~60 full frames per second.

 

[nealh]

Here is the biggest for me..I have looked at both monitors

The Princeton VL1918 at Costco is hooked up with 4 other monitors and looked likes crap(but so did a Samsung 930B at CC..also hooked up with multi monitors)

However at Compusa they had a Samsung 930B hooked up solo to a computer and it looked very nice

Does anyone know if the samsung comes with a DVI cable..never bought a dvi monitor that did not..all one of them..LOL

BTW thanks everyone

 

[VIAN]

yup 930 supports DVI.

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: VIAN
yup 930 supports DVI.

I know it supports DVI the 930B but I hate to pay for a cable that should be in the box

 

[Serpentor]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Take the reciprocal and multiply by 1000.
(1/12)*1000=83.33 FPS
(1/8)*1000=125 FPS

This is incorrect. Your FPS is insignificant beyond your refresh rate, or 60hz with DVI (75hz with analog, but I'm not sure on that one).