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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: hysperion
No big deal....America has at least 50 years left until it's collapse and I'll be just about dead by then.....we'll see if our wonderful "diversity" and dependance on all these other countries products protect us against a unified power......the world wants what we have and with the rate of idiots we're producing in the US- liberal and conservative, vs. the educated individuals overseas it won't be long til the nation collapses..........

In reality isn't the fact that the US dollar is backed by oil enough reason to secure Iraq's oil fields? What is wrong with stealing their oil?- the rest of the world knows we're doing it already (not literally pumping shipping it to our shores but maintaining control of it) We didn't become the nation we were today by minding our own business.......I'm proud to be of the Nationalist mindset.....

The same people complaining that the war in Iraq is taking too long are the same people that are prolonging it in the first place and preventing the military from violence of action which is what the Iraqi people need. The American military could crush the resistance over their extremely swiftly if the American public hadn't gone soft....

There you go, the Republican plan for the destruction of America in black & white.
 

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My favorite are all the flag wavers driving Japanese cars. Way to support our country, morons.
If you make your purchases based on blind patriotism and not what you want in a product you are encouraging the American companies to make crap.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
My favorite are all the flag wavers driving Japanese cars. Way to support our country, morons.

So you drive the GM built in Canada, or the Ford built in Mexico, or the Toyota built in America?
 

BoomerD

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So, now there's this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070310/pl_nm/campaign_debate_dc_2

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Nevada Democratic Party officials said on Friday they were canceling a presidential debate co-sponsored by Fox News, following a joke chairman Roger Ailes made about Democratic candidate Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record).

In a letter sent to Fox, Nevada State Democratic Party Chairman Tom Collins and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record) said Ailes "went too far" with comments made the night before.

The letter makes no reference to a crusade by the liberal activist group MoveOn.org to boycott Fox, which it calls a "right-wing mouthpiece." Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards dropped out of the debate on Thursday, citing in part Fox's participation.

The letter also does not specify which comments by Ailes lead to the decision, but a Democratic source told Reuters it was a joke Ailes made about Obama and President Bush during a speech on Thursday night.

"We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments," Collins and Reid said in the letter. "We take no pleasure in this, but it the only course of action."

Fox News Vice President David Rhodes responded with a written statement criticizing the Democrats for caving in to MoveOn.org.

"News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus, which appears to be controlled by radical fringe out-of-state interest groups, not the Democratic Party," David Rhodes said in the statement.

"In the past, MoveOn.org has said they 'own' the Democratic Party. While most Democrats don't agree with that, its clearly the case in Nevada," he said.

The joke by Ailes came during a speech to the Radio and Television News Directors Foundation First Amendment Dinner on Thursday night and -- while playing on similarity between Obama's name and Osama Bin Laden -- appears to be directed more at Bush than the senator.

"It's true that Barack Obama is on the move," Ailes said during the speech. "I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said 'Why can't we catch this guy?"'

During his remarks, Ailes also took indirect swipes at both MoveOn.org and Edwards, saying pressure groups were now urging candidates to "only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage."

Though he didn't refer to Edwards by name, Ailes said "any candidate of either party who cannot answer direct, simple, even tough questions from any journalist runs a real risk of losing the voters."



Faux news isn't seen as "honest news", nor "Fair and Balanced" by anyone to the left of the PNAC. Their heavy Ultra-Right wing slant is as obvious as white on rice...

 
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
So, now there's this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070310/pl_nm/campaign_debate_dc_2

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Nevada Democratic Party officials said on Friday they were canceling a presidential debate co-sponsored by Fox News, following a joke chairman Roger Ailes made about Democratic candidate Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record).

In a letter sent to Fox, Nevada State Democratic Party Chairman Tom Collins and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record) said Ailes "went too far" with comments made the night before.

The letter makes no reference to a crusade by the liberal activist group MoveOn.org to boycott Fox, which it calls a "right-wing mouthpiece." Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards dropped out of the debate on Thursday, citing in part Fox's participation.

The letter also does not specify which comments by Ailes lead to the decision, but a Democratic source told Reuters it was a joke Ailes made about Obama and President Bush during a speech on Thursday night.

"We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments," Collins and Reid said in the letter. "We take no pleasure in this, but it the only course of action."

Fox News Vice President David Rhodes responded with a written statement criticizing the Democrats for caving in to MoveOn.org.

"News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus, which appears to be controlled by radical fringe out-of-state interest groups, not the Democratic Party," David Rhodes said in the statement.

"In the past, MoveOn.org has said they 'own' the Democratic Party. While most Democrats don't agree with that, its clearly the case in Nevada," he said.

The joke by Ailes came during a speech to the Radio and Television News Directors Foundation First Amendment Dinner on Thursday night and -- while playing on similarity between Obama's name and Osama Bin Laden -- appears to be directed more at Bush than the senator.

"It's true that Barack Obama is on the move," Ailes said during the speech. "I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said 'Why can't we catch this guy?"'

During his remarks, Ailes also took indirect swipes at both MoveOn.org and Edwards, saying pressure groups were now urging candidates to "only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage."

Though he didn't refer to Edwards by name, Ailes said "any candidate of either party who cannot answer direct, simple, even tough questions from any journalist runs a real risk of losing the voters."



Faux news isn't seen as "honest news", nor "Fair and Balanced" by anyone to the left of the PNAC. Their heavy Ultra-Right wing slant is as obvious as white on rice...
You're right... MoveOn is definitely to the left of PNAC.

Do you really see that joke as a knock on Obama? It sounded like another "How many is a brazilian?" Dubbya-is-stupid joke to me. I picture Dubbya scanning the headlines in USA Today... YMMV

It looks to me as though the Dems are looking for a way to make a statement. They come off looking fairly pathetic IMO. But whatever, it's their party and they can set up the debates however they want.
 

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You're right... MoveOn is definitely to the left of PNAC.

Do you really see that joke as a knock on Obama? It sounded like another "How many is a brazilian?" Dubbya-is-stupid joke to me. I picture Dubbya scanning the headlines in USA Today... YMMV

It looks to me as though the Dems are looking for a way to make a statement. They come off looking fairly pathetic IMO. But whatever, it's their party and they can set up the debates however they want.

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yep, they're looking for a serious media outlet to moderate their debates. they're already in talks with bill maher and HBO, and Comedy Central with Jon Stewart. They'll get tough questions like, "How bad do you think Bush is?" Seriously, Fox would at least hold them to giving actual responses to difficult questions. Don't you think you might actually learn more about a candidate from someone who asks substantive questions? But no, Move-On doesn't want that. The Democrat party is "their party."
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
My favorite are all the flag wavers driving Japanese cars. Way to support our country, morons.
If you make your purchases based on blind patriotism and not what you want in a product you are encouraging the American companies to make crap.

What American companies? All the products come from China.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Fern

I agree with the poor state of reporting in general.

But the bias of Fox is overstated. Read carefully, I'm not saying that their editoral op/ed shows aren't biased with opinion - they're supposed to be.

But their only 2 straight news (Hume at 6 & Sheppard at 7) are farily good. Seriously, there are only about 45 minutes of news (minus commercials) in an hour show, and only a small portion of that is politics/war where bias can even enter. Like all other staright news shows there are stories on fires, plane wrecks, murders etc.

And again, I recomend the last 20 minutes or so of the 6 oclock show. The panel, Charles Kraithammer, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Mort Kondrake etc is a mix of conservative & liberals - where there is no yelling - and is often pretty interesting

So, I think you overstate the case against Fox. Moreover, many in here keep talking about the bias on the (Sunday) op/ed shows. Folks, that's what an op/ed show is all about - people's opnion, A.K.A. bias. If you don't have an opinion, you don't belong on an op/ed show. If you don't want opinion, you shouldn't be watching an op/ed show.

This apparent lack of distinction in many peoples' minds here is troubling to me. If you people who are the viewing audience (consumer) don't recognize the distiction, eventually the media will not either.

Fern

I think you're looking at things the wrong way. First of all, the very blending of news and opinion is the biggest problem with Fox. The fact that the anchor of their primary news program moonlights as an ultra right wing talking head is a conflict of interest... period.
I don't notice much, if any "blending" on the two straight news shows I mentioned. Although I do suppose the panel discussion at the end of the 6 o'clock show is op/ed. But both right & left are represented, so I see no bias there.

Conflict of interest? No, that doesn't seem to be quite the apt discription. I think that would apply more to, say, a business/financial type reporter hyping stocks he investes in, or a newsperson reporting on an investigation of his/her own family. Those types of things.

I do think it fair to say that hosting an op/ed show where a news anchor promotes his/her own political opinion tends to undercut any semblence of personal impartiality with regard to poltical matters/affiliation. But IMHO, "that bus left the station" ages ago. Subsequent to journalist like Walter Cronkite & Edward Murrow that facade has been dropped completely.

So if Hume being a conservative/Republican means he is unqualified to anchor a "straight news" show, what of the others who are liberal/Democrats? Aren't they likewise disqualified?

As to (I think other's - not your's) claims that Hume is an "ultra right winger", IMHO that moniker is tossed out far too often. It's hyperbolic in this case. Due to the frequency of use it's basically lost meaning. I'm no longer sure what it means, when it's appropriately applied. What set of beliefs is implied in it's use, etc. Could make for an interesting thread, i.e., defining what is conservative vs ultra right or extremist. But I'll leave that to another day.

Furthermore, how do you explain the absolutely massive disparity between the amount of outright falsehoods believed by Fox viewers in that study as compared to the other networks? Apparently Fox's audience does NOT recognize this distinction to a far greater degree then other networks' audiences. Is this a failure on the part of the audience, or the network? I think that if you call yourself a news network... and have that large a percentage of your audience wrong on some of the most important issues of the day, you are a complete failure. This could be simply a result of exceptionally poor reporting, but I believe it is due to the fact that on Fox it is difficult to tell where the news stops and where opinion begins. Considering that close to 100% of the opinion given on Fox is from the extreme right wing, that amounts to an institutional bias... and it shows. (no, Alan Colmes doesn't count.. and if you've ever watched that show you know why.)

If you look at the report Fox veiwers were shown believe at least ONE of the 3 things surveyed, not 2 or 3 but one.

If someone asked me were any weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, without any reference to a date/time period, I'd have to say "yes" simply because it is true. Aside from & notwithstanding the remarks by Prof J, WMD have clearly been in Iraq in previous times. We know of the "super canon" designed and built by George Bull (later assasinated by Mossad) and chemical weapons deployed by Saddam on his own people. I've read the link now several times and it's not clear how the question was posed, whether or not it included any reference to any time table for a finding of WMD. Again, if posed as stated in the report the answer is unequivacably "Yes". But for the sake of discussion lets ignore this problem of "vagueness".

While I do not believe that Iraq participated in the planning of the 9/11 attacks, did Iraq have any links to Al Qiada? Anys link?, not just sunstantive but any? Well, here again clearly the answer is "yes" The Congressional reports says so, a loose agreement to cooperate when convenient. So I would have to answer "yes" based on that vague question. No need to even contemplate the 747 body used in traing by terrorists, Abul Nidal etc.

So, because I would answered "yes" to even one question places me in the 80% grouping. Based on the way the reported is worded, the uniformed or dishonest are the only one's who could have answered "no" to all three.

Fern
 

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Since many Republicans obtain their "news" from Fox News, one wonders how much that contributes to this fundamental lack of knowledge

  1. "Similarly, 57% of Bush supporters assume that the majority of people in the world would favor Bush's reelection; 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred. A recent poll by GlobeScan and PIPA of 35 of the major countries around the world found that in 30, a majority or plurality favored Kerry, while in just 3 Bush was favored. On average, Kerry was preferred more than two to one. "

    - Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA)

PIPA is a joint program of the Center on Policy Attitudes (COPA) and the Center for International and Security Studies at Maryland (CISSM), School of Public Affairs, University of Maryland.
 

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  1. Fox News Spins 9/11 Commission Report

    6/22/04

    June 22, 2004


    The Bush administration's long-running attempts to link Iraq and Al Qaeda were dealt a serious blow when the September 11 commission's June 16 interim report indicated that there did not appear to be a "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and Osama bin Laden, and that there was no evidence that Iraq was involved in the September 11 attacks.

    But if you were watching the Fox News Channel , you saw something very different, as the conservative cable network eagerly defended the Bush administration and criticized the rest of the media for mishandling the story.

    On Fox 's Special Report newscast (6/16/04), anchor Brit Hume charged that the media were mischaracterizing the report: "The Associated Press leads off its story on a new 9/11 commission report by saying the document bluntly contradicts the Bush administration by claiming to have no credible evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11 terrorist attacks." Hume maintained that the AP story was inaccurate: "In fact, the Bush administration has never said that such evidence exists."

    In fact, it's Hume that is misrepresenting the AP story-- quoting from the story's lead, but then changing its meaning through an inaccurate paraphrase. The story actually begins: "Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the September 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was 'no credible evidence' that Saddam Hussein had ties with Al Qaeda."

    Hume changed the allegation, from Hussein having ties with Al Qaeda to his having ties to the September 11 attacks, in order to knock it down, claiming that the Bush administration never linked Iraq to September 11. But that is not accurate either

    ...

    ACTION: Ask the Fox News Channel why it sought to defend the Bush administration, instead of reporting the facts about the interim report of the 9/11 commission.

    ...

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1577
 

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One more little piece from me:

What's wrong with the news?

  1. Independent, aggressive and critical media are essential to an informed democracy. But mainstream media are increasingly cozy with the economic and political powers they should be watchdogging. Mergers in the news industry have accelerated, further limiting the spectrum of viewpoints that have access to mass media. With U.S. media outlets overwhelmingly owned by for-profit conglomerates and supported by corporate advertisers, independent journalism is compromised.

    Ultimately, FAIR believes that structural reform is needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting, and promote strong, non-profit alternative sources of information.

I couldn't find a better site to relate to this debate.

The problem is that news reports can't report the news, anymore; They have to sell the news.

Has anyone, here, heard of TheRealNews.com? I donated to this fledgling news channel nearly two years ago, and it looks like they're actually going to make it!

(Watch the video starting at 2:30 if you're pressed for time)
(Left wing journalism? Skip to 4:09)

"You're not going to see it on CNN"
 

BoomerD

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IMO, we ALL want our news slanted (at least a bit), towards our particular point of view, whether we're pro-bush, or Pro Democracy. (see, I just did the Faux slanting thing there ;) )
I don't believe any of us wants to hear the news, cold and unvarnished, from a totally neutral perspective, (even though we may claim we do) we all have our biases, and want our news to spin in that direction...

HOWEVER, IMO, Faux goes way beyond a simple "SPIN", and puts full rotation on their version of the news, so much so, that it usually turns the story completely around, and ften, turns the "TRUTH" into something unrecognizeable.
 

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Originally posted by: Fern

If you look at the report Fox veiwers were shown believe at least ONE of the 3 things surveyed, not 2 or 3 but one.

If someone asked me were any weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, without any reference to a date/time period, I'd have to say "yes" simply because it is true. Aside from & notwithstanding the remarks by Prof J, WMD have clearly been in Iraq in previous times. We know of the "super canon" designed and built by George Bull (later assasinated by Mossad) and chemical weapons deployed by Saddam on his own people. I've read the link now several times and it's not clear how the question was posed, whether or not it included any reference to any time table for a finding of WMD. Again, if posed as stated in the report the answer is unequivacably "Yes". But for the sake of discussion lets ignore this problem of "vagueness".

While I do not believe that Iraq participated in the planning of the 9/11 attacks, did Iraq have any links to Al Qiada? Anys link?, not just sunstantive but any? Well, here again clearly the answer is "yes" The Congressional reports says so, a loose agreement to cooperate when convenient. So I would have to answer "yes" based on that vague question. No need to even contemplate the 747 body used in traing by terrorists, Abul Nidal etc.

So, because I would answered "yes" to even one question places me in the 80% grouping. Based on the way the reported is worded, the uniformed or dishonest are the only one's who could have answered "no" to all three.

Fern

It doesn't matter how many questions it takes in order to fit into that category, the importance is that Fox viewers fit this category at a rate that is massively overrepresented. That is the telling part.

Also, considering a journalist's duty is to impartially report the news... and Brit Hume has a job in which he specifically abandons that. Everyone has political views, but when you have two jobs who'se purposes are diametrically opposed... that is a conflict of interest.

If you're going to talk about the wording of the questions being wrong... again I think you are missing the point. While you might have to answer 'yes' to Iraq and Al-Qaeda having some nebulous link, your definition is so broad that it would apply to nearly every country in the world. This is clearly not the definition taken by the survey, and it is obviously not the definition that the respondants were using. (or else the % would be way way higher).
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
If you look at the report Fox veiwers were shown believe at least ONE of the 3 things surveyed, not 2 or 3 but one.

If someone asked me were any weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, without any reference to a date/time period, I'd have to say "yes" simply because it is true. Aside from & notwithstanding the remarks by Prof J, WMD have clearly been in Iraq in previous times. We know of the "super canon" designed and built by George Bull (later assasinated by Mossad) and chemical weapons deployed by Saddam on his own people. I've read the link now several times and it's not clear how the question was posed, whether or not it included any reference to any time table for a finding of WMD. Again, if posed as stated in the report the answer is unequivacably "Yes". But for the sake of discussion lets ignore this problem of "vagueness".

While I do not believe that Iraq participated in the planning of the 9/11 attacks, did Iraq have any links to Al Qiada? Anys link?, not just sunstantive but any? Well, here again clearly the answer is "yes" The Congressional reports says so, a loose agreement to cooperate when convenient. So I would have to answer "yes" based on that vague question. No need to even contemplate the 747 body used in traing by terrorists, Abul Nidal etc.

So, because I would answered "yes" to even one question places me in the 80% grouping. Based on the way the reported is worded, the uniformed or dishonest are the only one's who could have answered "no" to all three.

Fern
You are helping the OP make his case. Your own responses above provide a good example of how so many people are misinformed about Iraq. For example, your "747 body used in traing by terrorists" was nothing of the sort, no matter how many times Fox claimed otherwise. Not only was it not a 747, but it was used by the Iraqi government for counter-terrorism training. You've also greatly overstated the al Qaeda's relationship with Iraq.

Your dissembling about the survey's questions, ignoring the facts and twisting them into something you can attack, is a tactic Fox also employs (see Eskimospy's post above, for example). There was no ambiguity in the questions, something you could have verified by following the links to the actual survey. Here are the two questions you misrepresent:
Q5: Since the war with Iraq ended, is it your impression that the US has or has not found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?

Q6: Is it your impression that the US has or has not found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the Al Qaeda terrorist organization?
In both cases, the answer is clearly "not", yet a disproportionate share of Fox viewers got one or both questions wrong. Your closing sentence is exactly backwards.
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: hysperion
No big deal....America has at least 50 years left until it's collapse and I'll be just about dead by then.....we'll see if our wonderful "diversity" and dependance on all these other countries products protect us against a unified power......the world wants what we have and with the rate of idiots we're producing in the US- liberal and conservative, vs. the educated individuals overseas it won't be long til the nation collapses..........

In reality isn't the fact that the US dollar is backed by oil enough reason to secure Iraq's oil fields? What is wrong with stealing their oil?- the rest of the world knows we're doing it already (not literally pumping shipping it to our shores but maintaining control of it) We didn't become the nation we were today by minding our own business.......I'm proud to be of the Nationalist mindset.....

The same people complaining that the war in Iraq is taking too long are the same people that are prolonging it in the first place and preventing the military from violence of action which is what the Iraqi people need. The American military could crush the resistance over their extremely swiftly if the American public hadn't gone soft....

There you go, the Republican plan for the destruction of America in black & white.

Well- I consider my self a nationalist libertarian and am more aligned with democrats on many issues.....You're definitely right though- the same actions our country has took to make us a great nation are going to eventually lead to our destruction :frown:

We should all follow your ideas then.....Maybe you should visit the rest of the world and see how 80% of the people on this planet are living or give away all your possessions until you reach equilibrium with them- otherwise you're nothing but a hypocrite taking advantage of what this country does for you yet still claiming what the US does is wrong...

I am non-religious,
pro-abortion
pro-2nd amendment
pro-capital punishment
pro-small government (which obviously is neither party)
anti-marijuana laws.....
anti-illegal immigration
etc.....
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: hysperion
No big deal....America has at least 50 years left until it's collapse and I'll be just about dead by then.....we'll see if our wonderful "diversity" and dependance on all these other countries products protect us against a unified power......the world wants what we have and with the rate of idiots we're producing in the US- liberal and conservative, vs. the educated individuals overseas it won't be long til the nation collapses..........

In reality isn't the fact that the US dollar is backed by oil enough reason to secure Iraq's oil fields? What is wrong with stealing their oil?- the rest of the world knows we're doing it already (not literally pumping shipping it to our shores but maintaining control of it) We didn't become the nation we were today by minding our own business.......I'm proud to be of the Nationalist mindset.....

The same people complaining that the war in Iraq is taking too long are the same people that are prolonging it in the first place and preventing the military from violence of action which is what the Iraqi people need. The American military could crush the resistance over their extremely swiftly if the American public hadn't gone soft....

There you go, the Republican plan for the destruction of America in black & white.

Well- I consider my self a nationalist libertarian and am more aligned with democrats on many issues.....You're definitely right though- the same actions our country has took to make us a great nation are going to eventually lead to our destruction :frown:

We should all follow your ideas then.....Maybe you should visit the rest of the world and see how 80% of the people on this planet are living or give away all your possessions until you reach equilibrium with them- otherwise you're nothing but a hypocrite taking advantage of what this country does for you yet still claiming what the US does is wrong...
In case you haven't noticed because you personally are not affected obviously, that a lot of Americans are in fact losing their possesions as well as a roof over their head.

By next year at this rate the U.S. could have the highest rate of homeless citizens.

Great going you must be so proud.
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: hysperion
No big deal....America has at least 50 years left until it's collapse and I'll be just about dead by then.....we'll see if our wonderful "diversity" and dependance on all these other countries products protect us against a unified power......the world wants what we have and with the rate of idiots we're producing in the US- liberal and conservative, vs. the educated individuals overseas it won't be long til the nation collapses..........

In reality isn't the fact that the US dollar is backed by oil enough reason to secure Iraq's oil fields? What is wrong with stealing their oil?- the rest of the world knows we're doing it already (not literally pumping shipping it to our shores but maintaining control of it) We didn't become the nation we were today by minding our own business.......I'm proud to be of the Nationalist mindset.....

The same people complaining that the war in Iraq is taking too long are the same people that are prolonging it in the first place and preventing the military from violence of action which is what the Iraqi people need. The American military could crush the resistance over their extremely swiftly if the American public hadn't gone soft....

There you go, the Republican plan for the destruction of America in black & white.

Well- I consider my self a nationalist libertarian and am more aligned with democrats on many issues.....You're definitely right though- the same actions our country has took to make us a great nation are going to eventually lead to our destruction :frown:

We should all follow your ideas then.....Maybe you should visit the rest of the world and see how 80% of the people on this planet are living or give away all your possessions until you reach equilibrium with them- otherwise you're nothing but a hypocrite taking advantage of what this country does for you yet still claiming what the US does is wrong...
In case you haven't noticed because you personally are not affected obviously, that a lot of Americans are in fact losing their possesions as well as a roof over their head.

By next year at this rate the U.S. could have the highest rate of homeless citizens.

Great going you must be so proud.

The US is also one of if not the most "diverse" nation/s....show me another "diverse" nation in history that consistantly prospered.........what group make up the bulk of these homeless citizens that the US is being judged by btw? Most bums that I know are alcoholics and druggies....anyone can get some type of job in this country.....if illegals can find ways to make it without being homeless I don't have much respect for those who can't.....
 

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Originally posted by: MikeO
Why do you have a "yes" option in the poll? :confused:
Why do you think it's called Faux News? :thumbsup: :laugh: :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Well look three resident Republicans have already voted "yes" for their beloved hero Rupbert.

Would it be a legit poll without an option for them?
Only if reality was required for the available options. :p
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674In case you haven't noticed because you personally are not affected obviously, that a lot of Americans are in fact losing their possesions as well as a roof over their head.

By next year at this rate the U.S. could have the highest rate of homeless citizens.

Great going you must be so proud.

and whose fault is this?

For the majority it is probably bad PERSONAL decisions that put them in dire straights. I am quite sure you can hand pick a few examples of people who the system took down, but the majority go down from bad personal choices.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Finally we see some calling it right.

http://kucinich.us/node/3532

Basically he is right, they don't want to debate because they don't want to be nailed down on the issues.

Using FOX as an excuse is just a lame excuse to avoid being caught with an opinion

Like Republicans have been addressing the issues since 2001? :roll:

Like they typical Liberal moon bat, you can't debate the issue raised to has to direct the conversation elsewhere.

Typ