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ProfJohn

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Bush has gone to how many soldier's funerals for the men he's gotten killed in this unnecessary war?

Oh ..

For some reason it's political suicide to pay attention to our wounded servicemen, and I think it's time for that to change for everyone, R or D.
The President doesn't go to funerals for soldiers because if he went to one and not another it would appear as favoritism.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Bush has gone to how many soldier's funerals for the men he's gotten killed in this unnecessary war?

Oh ..

For some reason it's political suicide to pay attention to our wounded servicemen, and I think it's time for that to change for everyone, R or D.
The President doesn't go to funerals for soldiers because if he went to one and not another it would appear as favoritism.
Could you imagine if attended them all? He wouldn't have time to do anything else. Hmmm,you know that'd work.
 

fskimospy

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Clearly, American news organizations also have an anti-Osama Bin Laden bias. Almost every American news report I view or read that mentions Bin Laden paints him in a negative light. And the networks are also all anti-Jihadist and anti-Al Qaeda.

How come American news organizations don't report on Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Jihadists in a more balanced way? Where are the pro-Al Qaeda pieces?

American news reporters are all just pro-American hacks.

Again, the idea of false equivalence. No one who is being honest could possibly say that what McCain has been doing this campaign season is as interesting as what Obama has been doing, and yet when the media covers Obama giving a huge speech in Berlin to 200,000 people instead of covering McCain talking about milk prices, IT'S BIAS AHHHHH. Of course these people aren't being honest, because they aren't interested in being honest or thinking for themselves. Their political sports team has a narrative, and they need to follow it.

You know what? I just realized that when I first started posting here I was actually trying to convince people of things, but now most of the posts I make are just calling the same people morons over and over again. (and for good reasons) There's no point to this. I think I'm done.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Bush has gone to how many soldier's funerals for the men he's gotten killed in this unnecessary war?

Oh ..

For some reason it's political suicide to pay attention to our wounded servicemen, and I think it's time for that to change for everyone, R or D.
The President doesn't go to funerals for soldiers because if he went to one and not another it would appear as favoritism.

You can't see through the most transparent political cover, can you?

Ya, if Bush went to one random funeral, announced as such, I'm sure the public would rise up in outrage, saying 'how dare you show favoritism!'

When he's visited *some* wounded or active troops, were there any such cries?

It's not the case at all that he just wants to get the political benefit of avoiding the photos of him there, and uses the 'favoritism' excuse to not have to do it.
 

lupi

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I'm sure an organization that cares about ratings would be collecting anything from anyone in DC right now.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: shira

Clearly, American news organizations also have an anti-Osama Bin Laden bias. Almost every American news report I view or read that mentions Bin Laden paints him in a negative light. And the networks are also all anti-Jihadist and anti-Al Qaeda.

How come American news organizations don't report on Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Jihadists in a more balanced way? Where are the pro-Al Qaeda pieces?

American news reporters are all just pro-American hacks.

Again, the idea of false equivalence. No one who is being honest could possibly say that what McCain has been doing this campaign season is as interesting as what Obama has been doing, and yet when the media covers Obama giving a huge speech in Berlin to 200,000 people instead of covering McCain talking about milk prices, IT'S BIAS AHHHHH. Of course these people aren't being honest, because they aren't interested in being honest or thinking for themselves. Their political sports team has a narrative, and they need to follow it.

You know what? I just realized that when I first started posting here I was actually trying to convince people of things, but now most of the posts I make are just calling the same people morons over and over again. (and for good reasons) There's no point to this. I think I'm done.
Don't quit.

I enjoy reading your well thought out reasoning and opinions.

 

wwswimming

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Fox is or was run by Roger Ailes.

is he still a team member ? (the team being Bush-Cheney-Reagan,
whoever Ailes worked for before he came to Fox.)

looks like it !
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Yesterday, on MSNBC's Hardball With Chris Matthews, former Whitehouse press secretary, Scott McClellan clearly stated that the Whitehouse has used Fox News to spread its talking points. Last night, Keith Olbermann ran Matthews' interview with relevant analitical commentary. The commentary by Olbemann and his guest that followed are informative, but McClellan's own statements are explicit declarative admissions that Faux is a dedicated propaganda organ of the Bushwhacko administration.

Matthews: ?Did you see FOX television as a tool when you were in the White House? As a useful avenue to get your message out??

McClellan: I make a distinction between the journalists and between the commentators. Certainly there were commentators and others, pundits at FOX News, that were helpful to the White House.?

Matthews: Did you use them in certain state...

McClellan: Yes, certainly, we got talking points to their people...

Matthews: Did people say, "Call Sean, call Bill, call whoever, did you do that as a regular thing?"

McClellan: Certainly. It wasn't something necessarily I was doing, but it was something we at the White House, yes, were doing, getting them talkng points and making sure they knew where we were coming from.

Matthews: So you were giving them talking points ...

McClellan: But I would separate the journalists...

No, no... This is important. So you were using these commentators as your spokespeople.?

McClellan: Well, certainly, certainly. I think this happens to both ways. When people go on other networks, as well, that are favorable toward Democrats, and so forth,

Matthews: Nobody ever fed me crap like that so I don't know what you're talking about.

McClellan: Well, you're an independent minded guy so...

Matthews: Thank you, but aren't you a little embarrassed by the fact that your Whitehouse used a television network which is purportedly "fair and balanced" as your mouthpiece?

McClellan: Well, I think everybody in this town uses people that are going to be helpful to their cause to try to shape the narrative to their advantage, but..

Matthews: But a whole network?

McClellan: Again, I would separate the journalists because the journalists because I worked with were people just like the rest of the Whitehouse press corps who report the news...

Matthews: So you wouldn't use somebody like Britt Hume as somebody to sell stuff for 'em, but you'd use the night time guys?

McClellan: Yeah. I would. I would separate that out, and certainly, and they'll say it's because they agree with those views in the Whitehouse.

Matthews: Well they didn't need a script, though, for 'em, did they?

McClellan: Well, probably not.

McClellan's statements are in stark contrast to Bill O'Reilly's statements on Fox, December 04, 2006:

I've been here from the beginning, and have never seen a White House "talking points." -- And I don't know anyone else who's seen one either. I asked senior management if they have ever seen a White House talking points. No one had." Bill O'Reilly reacting to Dan Rather's accusation that FoxNews gets White House Talking Points.

Never seen a White House talking point??? :confused:

Someone should have warned Billo, if he didn't stop it, he'd go blind. :laugh:

Harvey did you catch it when McClellan admitted today that he made a mistake saying the O'reilly got talking points, adminitting he never did?

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Harvey
Yesterday, on MSNBC's Hardball With Chris Matthews, former Whitehouse press secretary, Scott McClellan clearly stated that the Whitehouse has used Fox News to spread its talking points. Last night, Keith Olbermann ran Matthews' interview with relevant analitical commentary. The commentary by Olbemann and his guest that followed are informative, but McClellan's own statements are explicit declarative admissions that Faux is a dedicated propaganda organ of the Bushwhacko administration.

Matthews: ?Did you see FOX television as a tool when you were in the White House? As a useful avenue to get your message out??

McClellan: I make a distinction between the journalists and between the commentators. Certainly there were commentators and others, pundits at FOX News, that were helpful to the White House.?

Matthews: Did you use them in certain state...

McClellan: Yes, certainly, we got talking points to their people...

Matthews: Did people say, "Call Sean, call Bill, call whoever, did you do that as a regular thing?"

McClellan: Certainly. It wasn't something necessarily I was doing, but it was something we at the White House, yes, were doing, getting them talkng points and making sure they knew where we were coming from.

Matthews: So you were giving them talking points ...

McClellan: But I would separate the journalists...

No, no... This is important. So you were using these commentators as your spokespeople.?

McClellan: Well, certainly, certainly. I think this happens to both ways. When people go on other networks, as well, that are favorable toward Democrats, and so forth,

Matthews: Nobody ever fed me crap like that so I don't know what you're talking about.

McClellan: Well, you're an independent minded guy so...

Matthews: Thank you, but aren't you a little embarrassed by the fact that your Whitehouse used a television network which is purportedly "fair and balanced" as your mouthpiece?

McClellan: Well, I think everybody in this town uses people that are going to be helpful to their cause to try to shape the narrative to their advantage, but..

Matthews: But a whole network?

McClellan: Again, I would separate the journalists because the journalists because I worked with were people just like the rest of the Whitehouse press corps who report the news...

Matthews: So you wouldn't use somebody like Britt Hume as somebody to sell stuff for 'em, but you'd use the night time guys?

McClellan: Yeah. I would. I would separate that out, and certainly, and they'll say it's because they agree with those views in the Whitehouse.

Matthews: Well they didn't need a script, though, for 'em, did they?

McClellan: Well, probably not.

McClellan's statements are in stark contrast to Bill O'Reilly's statements on Fox, December 04, 2006:

I've been here from the beginning, and have never seen a White House "talking points." -- And I don't know anyone else who's seen one either. I asked senior management if they have ever seen a White House talking points. No one had." Bill O'Reilly reacting to Dan Rather's accusation that FoxNews gets White House Talking Points.

Never seen a White House talking point??? :confused:

Someone should have warned Billo, if he didn't stop it, he'd go blind. :laugh:

Harvey did you catch it when McClellan admitted today that he made a mistake saying the O'reilly got talking points, adminitting he never did?

Lulz. Harvey got pwned by "Billo" and McClellan, now let's see if he's man enough to come here and apologize, or at least admit that he was wrong. If McClellan could do it, I'm sure Harvey can.

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: nick1985
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Harvey did you catch it when McClellan admitted today that he made a mistake saying the O'reilly got talking points, adminitting he never did?

Lulz. Harvey got pwned by "Billo" and McClellan, now let's see if he's man enough to come here and apologize, or at least admit that he was wrong. If McClellan could do it, I'm sure Harvey can.

I would have been wrong had I commented. McClellan said 'certainly' in a way that accidentally appearewd to confirm O'Reilly as a recipient of the talking points.

It was a misunderstanding.

Harvey has nothing to apologize for, as he did nothing wrong in responding to the evidence reasonably, but I'm sure he'll acknowledge McClellan's correction.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Craig234
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I would have been wrong had I commented. McClellan said 'certainly' in a way that accidentally appearewd to confirm O'Reilly as a recipient of the talking points.
It was a misunderstanding.

Harvey has nothing to apologize for, as he did nothing wrong in responding to the evidence reasonably, but I'm sure he'll acknowledge McClellan's correction.

The guy was a Press Secretary and accidentally accused someone of taking talking points?

McClellan ranks up there with A. Gonzales as looking so incompetant. I can understand a mistake or two in making high-level appointments, but d@mn GWB has done an awful job with so many of his.

Fern
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: nick1985

Harvey did you catch it when McClellan admitted today that he made a mistake saying the O'reilly got talking points, adminitting he never did?

Originally posted by: JD50

Lulz. Harvey got pwned by "Billo" and McClellan, now let's see if he's man enough to come here and apologize, or at least admit that he was wrong. If McClellan could do it, I'm sure Harvey can.

Owned??? :confused: Hell! Not even rented. :laugh:

McClellan made "mistakes" every time he opened his mouth as press secretary to parrot the Whitehouse's lies du jour. I've seen him on numerous interviews since then, and he's a spineless coward when he's confronted by anyone with enough physical mass or a loud enough voice, including blustering bullshitters like O'Reilly, regardless of the facts.

I saw him with Bilious. He also demanded an apology from O'Reilly.

I have no doubt that he and other Bushwhacko staffers fed talking points to Faux. I have no doubt they fed their bullshit to others, as well. Did McClellan feed talking points directly to Billo? NOW, they both deny it, but I know better than to trust anything either McClellan and O'Reilly says on any given day without corroboration.

Did McClellan spoon feed talking points to others at Faux, including O'Reilly's staff and superiors? No one, including McClellan, has denied that.

I'm just as sure other political groups regularly supply their talking points and position statements to as many media outlets as will take them. The question is how the various media outlets integrated those points into their programming, and especially whether they were duly attributed to their respective sources or whether they were represented as unbiased facts.

Which side of McClellan's mouth is speaking the truth? Probably, the side that coincides (probably by accident) with observable facts. The most blatant fact is, your Traitor In Chief and his gang started a war based on lies and trampled the Constitutional rights of American citizens who dared to speak against their lies and expose them. The fact that follows that is, Faux has continuously parroted the Bushwhackos' talking points as fact about their illegal war, their attack on the Constitution, their use of torture, their failed economic policies that favor corporate interests and the very wealthy and the endless string of corrupt, disgraced members of their corrupt administration like Berto the Clown Gonzales and corrupt money sources like Jack Abramoff.

Whether anything McClellan says on a given day is true is a coin toss. With Faux's track record throughout the entire administration's time in office supports his statement that Faux is in bed with the Bushwhackos, and the ones being fucked by both of them are the American people.

You want an apology? Sure. As soon as I see an apology from your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal for committing treason, murder and torture and other war crimes, preferably from inside their cells at Guantanamo.
 

JD50

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You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: JD50
You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.

so Billo is calling McClellan a liar and thats all you needed to hear?

seriously, I'm missing something. Even Billo did not deny that it is possible that the WH circulated talking points to his show...but that he himself never seen anything.

Is that not what McClellan said?

I'm confused..but I guess with all the lying and all the lies these media personas perpetuate its probably exactly what they intend for us as a viewing public.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: JD50
You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.

so Billo is calling McClellan a liar and thats all you needed to hear?

seriously, I'm missing something. Even Billo did not deny that it is possible that the WH circulated talking points to his show...but that he himself never seen anything.

Is that not what McClellan said?

I'm confused..but I guess with all the lying and all the lies these media personas perpetuate its probably exactly what they intend for us as a viewing public.

Ummm....McClellan even said that he had no knowledge of Bill getting talking points from the white house. Here, this should be less confusing.

1. McClellan gets hounded by Matthews and says that Bill Oreilly gets talking points from the white house.

2. Oreilly denies it.

3. Keith Overbyte says that Oreilly gets talking points from the WH.

4. After he's done jerking off to Keith Overbyte on Countdown to No Ratings, Harvey parrots what he heard on Overbyte's show. Believing every word of what McClellan and Overbyte said.

5. McClellan goes on Oreilly's radio show and admits that he was lying, wrong, whatever, and that he had no knowledge of Oreilly getting talking points from the WH. He even apologized to Oreilly.

6. Now Harvey claims that McClellan is a liar, and is lying when he admits to Oreilly that he lied to Matthews.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: JD50
You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.

so Billo is calling McClellan a liar and thats all you needed to hear?

seriously, I'm missing something. Even Billo did not deny that it is possible that the WH circulated talking points to his show...but that he himself never seen anything.

Is that not what McClellan said?

I'm confused..but I guess with all the lying and all the lies these media personas perpetuate its probably exactly what they intend for us as a viewing public.

Ummm....McClellan even said that he had no knowledge of Bill getting talking points from the white house. Here, this should be less confusing.

1. McClellan gets hounded by Matthews and says that Bill Oreilly gets talking points from the white house.

2. Oreilly denies it.

3. Keith Overbyte says that Oreilly gets talking points from the WH.

4. After he's done jerking off to Keith Overbyte on Countdown to No Ratings, Harvey parrots what he heard on Overbyte's show. Believing every word of what McClellan and Overbyte said.

5. McClellan goes on Oreilly's radio show and admits that he was lying, wrong, whatever, and that he had no knowledge of Oreilly getting talking points from the WH. He even apologized to Oreilly.

6. Now Harvey claims that McClellan is a liar, and is lying when he admits to Oreilly that he lied to Matthews.
I listened to the youtube link earlier where Billo called McClellan a liar.

anyone got a link to where McCllelan admits he lied?

Media drama is becoming more like watching a soap opera or wrestling... :)
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: OrByte
anyone got a link to where McCllelan admits he lied?

I saw it, he didn't say he lied. He admitted Bill O didn't recieved any talking points and apologised for saying so. I think he termed it a mistake.

If you wanna see it, go to the Fox News site. They probably have the video in the Politics section.

Fern
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: OrByte
anyone got a link to where McCllelan admits he lied?

I saw it, he didn't say he lied. He admitted Bill O didn't recieved any talking points and apologised for saying so. I think he termed it a mistake.

If you wanna see it, go to the Fox News site. They probably have the video in the Politics section.

Fern

Correct, he didn't necessarily admit that he lied, he just said that it was a mistake. Actually, I kind of agree with him, it seems more like Matthews got him a little flustered and he didn't really know what he was saying. Kind of odd for a former White House press secretary, you'd think they'd be used to the pressure.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: OrByte
anyone got a link to where McCllelan admits he lied?

I saw it, he didn't say he lied. He admitted Bill O didn't recieved any talking points and apologised for saying so. I think he termed it a mistake.

If you wanna see it, go to the Fox News site. They probably have the video in the Politics section.

Fern

Correct, he didn't necessarily admit that he lied, he just said that it was a mistake. Actually, I kind of agree with him, it seems more like Matthews got him a little flustered and he didn't really know what he was saying. Kind of odd for a former White House press secretary, you'd think they'd be used to the pressure.
So he mistakenly said that Billo got the talking points.

Billo says he never personally seen any of WH talking points

And given the opportunity to deny that his show/his shows producers never recieved any talking points, Billo didn't deny that point.

I guess this really amounts to nothing...but the devil is in the details when it comes to spinsters like these guys.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: JD50
You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.

so Billo is calling McClellan a liar and thats all you needed to hear?

seriously, I'm missing something. Even Billo did not deny that it is possible that the WH circulated talking points to his show...but that he himself never seen anything.

Is that not what McClellan said?

I'm confused..but I guess with all the lying and all the lies these media personas perpetuate its probably exactly what they intend for us as a viewing public.

Ummm....McClellan even said that he had no knowledge of Bill getting talking points from the white house. Here, this should be less confusing.

1. McClellan gets hounded by Matthews and says that Bill Oreilly gets talking points from the white house.

2. Oreilly denies it.

3. Keith Overbyte says that Oreilly gets talking points from the WH.

4. After he's done jerking off to Keith Overbyte on Countdown to No Ratings, Harvey parrots what he heard on Overbyte's show. Believing every word of what McClellan and Overbyte said.

5. McClellan goes on Oreilly's radio show and admits that he was lying, wrong, whatever, and that he had no knowledge of Oreilly getting talking points from the WH. He even apologized to Oreilly.

6. Now Harvey claims that McClellan is a liar, and is lying when he admits to Oreilly that he lied to Matthews.

Do you have some sort of crib sheet that tells you what retarded names to replace people you don't like's names with?
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: OrByte
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And given the opportunity to deny that his show/his shows producers never recieved any talking points, Billo didn't deny that point.

yes he did.

Try this youtube link for the vid

Fern

Sorry I can't run that at work but when I get home I'd like to compare it to the conversation in this piece of which I am basing my opinion on. I could be wrong tho if he decided to change his tune since I last listened to him...shrug.


edit: but thanks Fern.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: JD50
You are so full of shit. The second that McClellan said something that you wanted to hear, you believed every word of it. Now that he admits that he was wrong, you're back to calling him a liar. Ridiculous.

so Billo is calling McClellan a liar and thats all you needed to hear?

seriously, I'm missing something. Even Billo did not deny that it is possible that the WH circulated talking points to his show...but that he himself never seen anything.

Is that not what McClellan said?

I'm confused..but I guess with all the lying and all the lies these media personas perpetuate its probably exactly what they intend for us as a viewing public.

Ummm....McClellan even said that he had no knowledge of Bill getting talking points from the white house. Here, this should be less confusing.

1. McClellan gets hounded by Matthews and says that Bill Oreilly gets talking points from the white house.

2. Oreilly denies it.

3. Keith Overbyte says that Oreilly gets talking points from the WH.

4. After he's done jerking off to Keith Overbyte on Countdown to No Ratings, Harvey parrots what he heard on Overbyte's show. Believing every word of what McClellan and Overbyte said.

5. McClellan goes on Oreilly's radio show and admits that he was lying, wrong, whatever, and that he had no knowledge of Oreilly getting talking points from the WH. He even apologized to Oreilly.

6. Now Harvey claims that McClellan is a liar, and is lying when he admits to Oreilly that he lied to Matthews.

Do you have some sort of crib sheet that tells you what retarded names to replace people you don't like's names with?

I was responding to Orbyte, who's using a retarded name for Oreilly, given to him by Olbermann, and I was also partially responding to Harvey, who uses the most retarded names imaginable. That's why I used those goofy names. Why is it that you call me out on using idiotic names, but give Harvey and Orbyte a pass?

And yes, I sort of do have a "crib sheet", I get it all from my favorite talk radio host, The Great One!! I can give you some more if you'd like?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: OrByte
anyone got a link to where McCllelan admits he lied?

I saw it, he didn't say he lied. He admitted Bill O didn't recieved any talking points and apologised for saying so. I think he termed it a mistake.

If you wanna see it, go to the Fox News site. They probably have the video in the Politics section.

Fern

Correct, he didn't necessarily admit that he lied, he just said that it was a mistake. Actually, I kind of agree with him, it seems more like Matthews got him a little flustered and he didn't really know what he was saying. Kind of odd for a former White House press secretary, you'd think they'd be used to the pressure.
So he mistakenly said that Billo got the talking points.

Billo says he never personally seen any of WH talking points

And given the opportunity to deny that his show/his shows producers never recieved any talking points, Billo didn't deny that point.

I guess this really amounts to nothing...but the devil is in the details when it comes to spinsters like these guys.

I dunno, accusing someone like O'reilly of getting talking points from the White House is a pretty big deal. Regardless of what a lot of the far left thinks, O'reilly has a pretty good reputation, and that would completely ruin him. Anyone that actually watches (or listens to) his show would know that there is no way that he gets talking points from anyone. He's actually a pretty independent thinker. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but I do agree with some of it.